Hi all,
I have a Carrozzeria KEH-M45 branded head unit, Carrozzeria EQ66 Computer controlled equaliser unit, and an Oritron 10 disc CD stacker that I would like to fit into either my car ('95 Honda Rafaga) or my V8 ambulance ('94 LDV 400).
My problem is I cannot find the plug that fits into the back of the head unit - the one that has the power wires, speaker leads etc.
It appears to be a one piece plug with 10 wires from it .. and the circuit board is too hard to get at to see if there is anything printed on the PCB in regards to what wire goes where.
I don't have a lot of money, so buying a pre-made wiring harness is not really an option, but I am electronically minded and damn good with a soldering iron. I was going to hard wire it in, by sloldering wires directly to the pins where the plug would normally go... have tried searching the net, but as these head units were only made for the Japanese market and not export, there is no info available anywhere that I can find.
Anyone have a pic or an idea what wire goes where?
It's no good telling me "the red goes to power" etc, because without a plug, I can't tell where the red would normally be located.
If one of you could tell me " Looking at the head unit from the back, the red wire connects to the last pin on the right hand side, the yellow wire connects to the pin next to that" etc would be a huge help.
Thanks all in advance,
El Pirato SMILE
Replies (19)
ttocs on 01/6/2009 06:59:14
is the plug different from the standard pioneer? Can you get a pic of the back of the deck so we can get an idea of what it looks like?
Where are you at?
has victor had his hands on something like this? They might have it in india where he is.
ElPirato on 01/6/2009 14:42:38
I am in New Zealand. I think the standard pioneer plug is different ... I can email you a pic if ya like ...
The socket for the plug is a single row with 10 pins in it.
I will try and upload a pic onto here for you :)
ttocs on 01/6/2009 14:51:04
single row with 10 pins certainly is not the normal pioneer.
If you were to pop the cover it would probably help to answer the basic question of power and ground. I know it can be done but I am glad that I don't need to do it.
I think you would be our first person from new zealand on here that I can remember.
ElPirato on 01/6/2009 14:52:50
Can't seem to upload pics on here ... what's your email?
ElPirato on 01/6/2009 17:33:02
Email sent with pics :)
admin on 01/6/2009 17:48:35
Here ya go COFFEE
ElPirato on 01/6/2009 18:12:12
Cheers Walt SMILE
admin on 01/6/2009 18:12:41
Any time :)
ttocs on 01/6/2009 21:04:39
WALT THAT ROCKS!!! That answers all the questions I had thanks.
That is an old one huh? With only 10 pins it would have to be some kind of common ground amplifier, maybe common left comon right? I too consider myself good with an iron by my eyes are going crossed just trying to imagine it.
ElPirato on 01/6/2009 22:14:46
My eyes aren't the best either guys, but I can see well enough to solder wires onto those pins!
Any solutions as yet?
ttocs on 01/7/2009 09:57:03
I have installed the US version of that deck back in the day and the hrns looks familiar. If I am not mistaken it had a common left common right amplifier which meant there were 3 speaker wires for the 2 right speakers(grey wires) and 3 wires for the 2 left speakers(green wires). So with 6 speaker wires, that leaves the constant power, ignition, ground and remote turn on for the power side. I took a minute and dug through the bottom box fo my toolbox to see if there was an extra hrns in there but there was not. As I said if you pop the cover off you can probably get an idea of which are the power wires and which are the speakers but otherwise I am not going to know where to look for the pin out of such an old deck.
ElPirato on 01/7/2009 10:02:07
Thanks for that ... I tried getting to the PCB but it doesn't seem to contain any useful info from what I could see ... and being made by the Japs, is bloody near impossible to get to.
Will get into it later today (with some C4 if necessary) and have another look at the board :)
swez on 01/8/2009 18:51:32
Seems like a lot of hours of digging and no water to be found?
Think ttocs is right about the unusual wiring harness. The best thing to look for is a schematic for this old puppy. Once you know the pin out functions, you'll have a shot at tagging the right wires.
Also, depending on the pin diameter and how closley spaced they are in the connector, consider female connectors that simply slide over each pin and solder wires to the connectors. A little sleeve of shrink tubing over each connector will prevent shorts too.
Comments?
Swez
ElPirato on 01/9/2009 03:56:17
Good idea Swez, thanks for that :)
Any idea where I can get a schematic from?
swez on 01/9/2009 07:17:28
Try a google search of the HU p/n and see what pops up.
Swez
admin on 01/10/2009 00:12:25
I did the search and no luck! MAD
swez on 01/10/2009 02:51:06
Is life too short to kick a dead toad all day long? I think so. If it were alive, we'd not kick the toad. We might feed it, give it a home and figure out how to keep it healthy as we watch it grow and mature.
But in this case, we are dealing with another type of toad. It may be dead for all we know or needs above the ordinary to see if it is indeed able to live.
It's out of date...
This is an older HU...
It's missing a key harness...
We cannot find basic info on it...
It's not be supported by the Mfg anymore...
It's time to kick this toad to the curb and move on...
Who knows, it may not even work in todays' systems...
For under $150 USD, one can buy a new, updated and fully functioning HU that will last for years. Is $30.00 a year for 5 years worth more than all this angst?
THINK about it,
Swez
ElPirato on 01/10/2009 03:05:12
It is when you don't have the cash :(
swez on 01/10/2009 09:58:27
Ahhh, that makes a big difference.
Well, have you considered bartering something you don't need for something you do need with someone who wants what you have and has what you need? (Exchange of goods or services without cash)
I've done this a lot during lean times and it does work out well when people trust each other.
I have a Carrozzeria KEH-M45 branded head unit, Carrozzeria EQ66 Computer controlled equaliser unit, and an Oritron 10 disc CD stacker that I would like to fit into either my car ('95 Honda Rafaga) or my V8 ambulance ('94 LDV 400).
My problem is I cannot find the plug that fits into the back of the head unit - the one that has the power wires, speaker leads etc.
It appears to be a one piece plug with 10 wires from it .. and the circuit board is too hard to get at to see if there is anything printed on the PCB in regards to what wire goes where.
I don't have a lot of money, so buying a pre-made wiring harness is not really an option, but I am electronically minded and damn good with a soldering iron. I was going to hard wire it in, by sloldering wires directly to the pins where the plug would normally go... have tried searching the net, but as these head units were only made for the Japanese market and not export, there is no info available anywhere that I can find.
Anyone have a pic or an idea what wire goes where?
It's no good telling me "the red goes to power" etc, because without a plug, I can't tell where the red would normally be located.
If one of you could tell me " Looking at the head unit from the back, the red wire connects to the last pin on the right hand side, the yellow wire connects to the pin next to that" etc would be a huge help.
Thanks all in advance,
El Pirato SMILE
Replies (19)
ttocs on 01/6/2009 06:59:14
is the plug different from the standard pioneer? Can you get a pic of the back of the deck so we can get an idea of what it looks like?
Where are you at?
has victor had his hands on something like this? They might have it in india where he is.
ElPirato on 01/6/2009 14:42:38
I am in New Zealand. I think the standard pioneer plug is different ... I can email you a pic if ya like ...
The socket for the plug is a single row with 10 pins in it.
I will try and upload a pic onto here for you :)
ttocs on 01/6/2009 14:51:04
single row with 10 pins certainly is not the normal pioneer.
If you were to pop the cover it would probably help to answer the basic question of power and ground. I know it can be done but I am glad that I don't need to do it.
I think you would be our first person from new zealand on here that I can remember.
ElPirato on 01/6/2009 14:52:50
Can't seem to upload pics on here ... what's your email?
ElPirato on 01/6/2009 17:33:02
Email sent with pics :)
admin on 01/6/2009 17:48:35
Here ya go COFFEE
ElPirato on 01/6/2009 18:12:12
Cheers Walt SMILE
admin on 01/6/2009 18:12:41
Any time :)
ttocs on 01/6/2009 21:04:39
WALT THAT ROCKS!!! That answers all the questions I had thanks.
That is an old one huh? With only 10 pins it would have to be some kind of common ground amplifier, maybe common left comon right? I too consider myself good with an iron by my eyes are going crossed just trying to imagine it.
ElPirato on 01/6/2009 22:14:46
My eyes aren't the best either guys, but I can see well enough to solder wires onto those pins!
Any solutions as yet?
ttocs on 01/7/2009 09:57:03
I have installed the US version of that deck back in the day and the hrns looks familiar. If I am not mistaken it had a common left common right amplifier which meant there were 3 speaker wires for the 2 right speakers(grey wires) and 3 wires for the 2 left speakers(green wires). So with 6 speaker wires, that leaves the constant power, ignition, ground and remote turn on for the power side. I took a minute and dug through the bottom box fo my toolbox to see if there was an extra hrns in there but there was not. As I said if you pop the cover off you can probably get an idea of which are the power wires and which are the speakers but otherwise I am not going to know where to look for the pin out of such an old deck.
ElPirato on 01/7/2009 10:02:07
Thanks for that ... I tried getting to the PCB but it doesn't seem to contain any useful info from what I could see ... and being made by the Japs, is bloody near impossible to get to.
Will get into it later today (with some C4 if necessary) and have another look at the board :)
swez on 01/8/2009 18:51:32
Seems like a lot of hours of digging and no water to be found?
Think ttocs is right about the unusual wiring harness. The best thing to look for is a schematic for this old puppy. Once you know the pin out functions, you'll have a shot at tagging the right wires.
Also, depending on the pin diameter and how closley spaced they are in the connector, consider female connectors that simply slide over each pin and solder wires to the connectors. A little sleeve of shrink tubing over each connector will prevent shorts too.
Comments?
Swez
ElPirato on 01/9/2009 03:56:17
Good idea Swez, thanks for that :)
Any idea where I can get a schematic from?
swez on 01/9/2009 07:17:28
Try a google search of the HU p/n and see what pops up.
Swez
admin on 01/10/2009 00:12:25
I did the search and no luck! MAD
swez on 01/10/2009 02:51:06
Is life too short to kick a dead toad all day long? I think so. If it were alive, we'd not kick the toad. We might feed it, give it a home and figure out how to keep it healthy as we watch it grow and mature.
But in this case, we are dealing with another type of toad. It may be dead for all we know or needs above the ordinary to see if it is indeed able to live.
It's out of date...
This is an older HU...
It's missing a key harness...
We cannot find basic info on it...
It's not be supported by the Mfg anymore...
It's time to kick this toad to the curb and move on...
Who knows, it may not even work in todays' systems...
For under $150 USD, one can buy a new, updated and fully functioning HU that will last for years. Is $30.00 a year for 5 years worth more than all this angst?
THINK about it,
Swez
ElPirato on 01/10/2009 03:05:12
It is when you don't have the cash :(
swez on 01/10/2009 09:58:27
Ahhh, that makes a big difference.
Well, have you considered bartering something you don't need for something you do need with someone who wants what you have and has what you need? (Exchange of goods or services without cash)
I've done this a lot during lean times and it does work out well when people trust each other.
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