finally figured out how i want to design my system i just have some questions about the power requirements. I read all the forms i could find on power systems and i have a few questions. Now i am setting up my system for db drag (super street 3-4 2 alts and unlimited batteries) and usaci (street beat 5 unlimited everything).
1. doesnt the alt provide the power to the amp and the batteries works as a back up?
2. if i am going to be using 2 alts and seven batteries should i run everything together or should i use the second alt and 6 batteries to power the maximus and the 1st to run the car and the 2 amps for the highs and mids.
3. If i split the alts should i leave the voltage at 12 or should i run it at 16.
4. now to run these amps i am gussing i need around 2k amps just wondering how in the world i am going to power these babies with one alt?
I am going to be using the 2 2 chanel maximus to run the dd's or solo x's at 14.4 volts i can get 5k per chanel and at 18v i can get 7600 per chanel.
runninig the 18v would allow me to last longer i am gussing because in the usaci you have to last 30 sec
Replies (11)
newB on 06/24/2008 19:15:21
run both alts to all the bats to all the amps.
Holy Grail to Charging systems can be found HERE!:
http://www.missinglinkaudio.com/
when choosing your alts remember that the 300A alts tend to have lower idle current than the 230-240A alts. (i've seen them have around 150A at idle)
-Drew
Victor on 06/24/2008 20:18:00
http://www.bcae1.com/charging.htm
read this before you start planning your charging system....
ttocs on 06/25/2008 17:40:36
if you don't understand charging systems, how did you come up with 2 alts and 7 natteries?
Victor on 06/25/2008 19:13:47
can you tell us the exact model number and manufacturer of your amps....
also number of amps.. including those for subs as well as full range speakers.....
if you do know the value of fuses and number of fuses on all those amps note that down too..and let us know....
jrose2002 on 06/30/2008 16:12:31
All 4 amps are by Hifonics two of each the first is for the full range speakers and the second is for the subs
ZXi 8408 880-Watt A/B-Class
4 x 100-Watts RMS @ 4-Ohms
4 x 220-Watts RMS @ 2-Oms
2 x 440-Watts RMS @ 4-Ohms
fuse rating 80 amps
These are the stats at 14.4v
2-Channel XXV Maxximus
2 x 2000 W @ 4 Ù
2 x 3500 W @ 2 Ù
2 x 5000 W @ 1 Ù
1 x 7000 W @ 4 Ù
1 x 10,000 W @ 2 Ù
fuse rating 1000 amps
Total fuse rating for all amps 2160
Hope this is what you were looking for and please forgive me for taking so long to reply been a long week
newB on 06/30/2008 17:58:02
Two XXVs??????
=O
on a serious note you will need 4-5 300A alts and many.... many... batteries. as many as you can fit in your ride. AND about 5000ft of wire.
what do you plan on accomplishing with this build? just judging by your question i dont think your in a position to complete such a large and intense install without taking several shortcuts that will result in blown/broken equipment poor output and an overall frustrating finish.
Steve Meade has 20,000w on four 18s 4 300A alts and 7 Powermaster batteries and STILL has voltage drop when fully blasting.
-Drew
ttocs on 06/30/2008 18:04:36
I have not looked at hifonics for some time but 2160 amps sounds a little high for 4 amps. You are lookin at the fuse on the side of the amp or are you adding the wattages?
My amps are rated at 100 rms x 4 and have 125A fuses built in so with two amps my system will max out at 250A if everything was perfect.
Victor on 06/30/2008 19:07:53
He is right about the fuse rating of 1000amps....
This amp is a Power station......
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Very frankly, no one on CK has an experience of working with such a system....
Knowing Car Audio systems since years, one thing i can tell you. This kind of system is easy to think about, bit confusing to put on paper, and definitely not an amateurs job to install.....
Considering the Electronic Equipment you are looking at, Take one thing for sure, this car will eat up more money in getting it prepared for the install than the electronic equipments...
tearing apart your car and reinforcing the structure at various places, lot of welding will be needed....
multiple layers of sound damping will be required, apart from that what we discussed before....
Setting up your cars electrical's will require an expert mechanic and automobile electrician to do that job for you... this will ask for multiple alts and a Huge bank of batteries.... This alone will cost you sky high..
making space for multiple alts in a tight fit place will be a huge headache. Providing space for the bank of batteries will be another quiz... and to add to all this, you still have those 4 subs to eat up space....
time, money, planning, hard work and expertise are basic requirements... and even after putting all this, it is sure for an amateur to face multiple failures in such an install, I am not de-motivating you, but am putting forwards facts of such an install...
if you wanna go ahead with this, we at CK will try our best to help you out.. but it will be very very very difficult task to succeed without professional hands at the actual install....
"PowerLifter" and "lessismorespl" are probably the most experienced people on CK when it comes to competing, lets wait for their take on this one....
jrose2002 on 07/1/2008 18:06:07
ttocs i did get the amp ratings straight from the amps and not from ohms law, That way would be around 1458 if i run everything at 14.4 volts.
Drew im building this for usaci and dbdrag, i have a 2 alt max so im gonna try to make up the difference with batteries.
Now here's a little back ground about myself. I have a degree in electronics, and have always did carpentry. But i made a career in the oilfield because it pays sooo much. I keep those drilling rigs running doing anything from welding electrical repairing gear boxes ect. So a lot of the things i need to do for this install wont be hard for me its just knowing the best way to do it.
example i weld almost daily and my yard is full of all kinds of iron just would need to know where to reinforce the car for the best results.
The third row compartment is higher than the rest of the vehicle with a lot of space under it thats where i was gonna build the battery box. so the subs will be on top of the battery box, havent calculated the total space but im gonna see exactly how many i can get under there, so far im at 24"x45" give or take.
I will mod the second row seats to fit the amps under them with cooling fans, the subs in the back, 4 comps in each door fiber glassed. The eq and Cx in the arm rest.
In addition im adding the security is gonna be the autopage rs-1000 w/ the c3 2 way communication. Also a mac mini with a dc-dc reg and 4 security cams going to a hidden solid state hard drive.
I was gonna spend all this on fixxing up my 65 impala so why not do it to the expedition thats better than just having a basic impalla.
newB on 07/1/2008 18:29:23
GL!
what i would do- is get hands on advice from those who go big. the skill is there, you just need somebody with knowledge/experience to actually point, feel, and gauge your particular ride.
-Drew
Ash on 07/2/2008 15:14:42
That's a whole lot of juice! Could you come give me a break on the light bill? GRIN
1. doesnt the alt provide the power to the amp and the batteries works as a back up?
2. if i am going to be using 2 alts and seven batteries should i run everything together or should i use the second alt and 6 batteries to power the maximus and the 1st to run the car and the 2 amps for the highs and mids.
3. If i split the alts should i leave the voltage at 12 or should i run it at 16.
4. now to run these amps i am gussing i need around 2k amps just wondering how in the world i am going to power these babies with one alt?
I am going to be using the 2 2 chanel maximus to run the dd's or solo x's at 14.4 volts i can get 5k per chanel and at 18v i can get 7600 per chanel.
runninig the 18v would allow me to last longer i am gussing because in the usaci you have to last 30 sec
Replies (11)
newB on 06/24/2008 19:15:21
run both alts to all the bats to all the amps.
Holy Grail to Charging systems can be found HERE!:
http://www.missinglinkaudio.com/
when choosing your alts remember that the 300A alts tend to have lower idle current than the 230-240A alts. (i've seen them have around 150A at idle)
-Drew
Victor on 06/24/2008 20:18:00
http://www.bcae1.com/charging.htm
read this before you start planning your charging system....
ttocs on 06/25/2008 17:40:36
if you don't understand charging systems, how did you come up with 2 alts and 7 natteries?
Victor on 06/25/2008 19:13:47
can you tell us the exact model number and manufacturer of your amps....
also number of amps.. including those for subs as well as full range speakers.....
if you do know the value of fuses and number of fuses on all those amps note that down too..and let us know....
jrose2002 on 06/30/2008 16:12:31
All 4 amps are by Hifonics two of each the first is for the full range speakers and the second is for the subs
ZXi 8408 880-Watt A/B-Class
4 x 100-Watts RMS @ 4-Ohms
4 x 220-Watts RMS @ 2-Oms
2 x 440-Watts RMS @ 4-Ohms
fuse rating 80 amps
These are the stats at 14.4v
2-Channel XXV Maxximus
2 x 2000 W @ 4 Ù
2 x 3500 W @ 2 Ù
2 x 5000 W @ 1 Ù
1 x 7000 W @ 4 Ù
1 x 10,000 W @ 2 Ù
fuse rating 1000 amps
Total fuse rating for all amps 2160
Hope this is what you were looking for and please forgive me for taking so long to reply been a long week
newB on 06/30/2008 17:58:02
Two XXVs??????
=O
on a serious note you will need 4-5 300A alts and many.... many... batteries. as many as you can fit in your ride. AND about 5000ft of wire.
what do you plan on accomplishing with this build? just judging by your question i dont think your in a position to complete such a large and intense install without taking several shortcuts that will result in blown/broken equipment poor output and an overall frustrating finish.
Steve Meade has 20,000w on four 18s 4 300A alts and 7 Powermaster batteries and STILL has voltage drop when fully blasting.
-Drew
ttocs on 06/30/2008 18:04:36
I have not looked at hifonics for some time but 2160 amps sounds a little high for 4 amps. You are lookin at the fuse on the side of the amp or are you adding the wattages?
My amps are rated at 100 rms x 4 and have 125A fuses built in so with two amps my system will max out at 250A if everything was perfect.
Victor on 06/30/2008 19:07:53
He is right about the fuse rating of 1000amps....
This amp is a Power station......
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Very frankly, no one on CK has an experience of working with such a system....
Knowing Car Audio systems since years, one thing i can tell you. This kind of system is easy to think about, bit confusing to put on paper, and definitely not an amateurs job to install.....
Considering the Electronic Equipment you are looking at, Take one thing for sure, this car will eat up more money in getting it prepared for the install than the electronic equipments...
tearing apart your car and reinforcing the structure at various places, lot of welding will be needed....
multiple layers of sound damping will be required, apart from that what we discussed before....
Setting up your cars electrical's will require an expert mechanic and automobile electrician to do that job for you... this will ask for multiple alts and a Huge bank of batteries.... This alone will cost you sky high..
making space for multiple alts in a tight fit place will be a huge headache. Providing space for the bank of batteries will be another quiz... and to add to all this, you still have those 4 subs to eat up space....
time, money, planning, hard work and expertise are basic requirements... and even after putting all this, it is sure for an amateur to face multiple failures in such an install, I am not de-motivating you, but am putting forwards facts of such an install...
if you wanna go ahead with this, we at CK will try our best to help you out.. but it will be very very very difficult task to succeed without professional hands at the actual install....
"PowerLifter" and "lessismorespl" are probably the most experienced people on CK when it comes to competing, lets wait for their take on this one....
jrose2002 on 07/1/2008 18:06:07
ttocs i did get the amp ratings straight from the amps and not from ohms law, That way would be around 1458 if i run everything at 14.4 volts.
Drew im building this for usaci and dbdrag, i have a 2 alt max so im gonna try to make up the difference with batteries.
Now here's a little back ground about myself. I have a degree in electronics, and have always did carpentry. But i made a career in the oilfield because it pays sooo much. I keep those drilling rigs running doing anything from welding electrical repairing gear boxes ect. So a lot of the things i need to do for this install wont be hard for me its just knowing the best way to do it.
example i weld almost daily and my yard is full of all kinds of iron just would need to know where to reinforce the car for the best results.
The third row compartment is higher than the rest of the vehicle with a lot of space under it thats where i was gonna build the battery box. so the subs will be on top of the battery box, havent calculated the total space but im gonna see exactly how many i can get under there, so far im at 24"x45" give or take.
I will mod the second row seats to fit the amps under them with cooling fans, the subs in the back, 4 comps in each door fiber glassed. The eq and Cx in the arm rest.
In addition im adding the security is gonna be the autopage rs-1000 w/ the c3 2 way communication. Also a mac mini with a dc-dc reg and 4 security cams going to a hidden solid state hard drive.
I was gonna spend all this on fixxing up my 65 impala so why not do it to the expedition thats better than just having a basic impalla.
newB on 07/1/2008 18:29:23
GL!
what i would do- is get hands on advice from those who go big. the skill is there, you just need somebody with knowledge/experience to actually point, feel, and gauge your particular ride.
-Drew
Ash on 07/2/2008 15:14:42
That's a whole lot of juice! Could you come give me a break on the light bill? GRIN
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