http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak1.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak2.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak3.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak4.jpg
first thoughts are that it booms the lows very strong (as intended)
i still have a bunch of steps to go before i finish, internal bracing, sanding, stain, possible trim pieces and wood filler for the mistakes on the edges all to come in the next few days.
GRIN
-Drew
Replies (21)
cplkittle on 03/13/2008 23:39:49
You are pretty good with the woodwork.
Did you notice any annoying hollow echo or excessive boominess?
newB on 03/13/2008 23:42:55
yes- but the build adds another variable i need to control before i can give you a definite answer. retarded me attempted the FULL wedge joint which made it so very difficult to assemble i ended last night boiling over with frustration. i will keep you updated when the patches are mended and the bracing is added.
-Drew
ttocs on 03/14/2008 00:12:10
don't you understand the risk that you have with the box in the back seat?
What did you use to hold it together? Screws, biscuits, brads. glue?
newB on 03/14/2008 02:39:03
screws, as few as possible and PLENTY of glue.
the box was pinned under the folded back passenger seat, not full proof but better than it sitting as dead weight.
UPDATE!!!!
i <3 this box. i fixed 95% of my stupid build errors and the box came out MUCH better than i had expected only this morning. got it stained and almost done, i'm going to add a bit of bracing tomorrow and call it complete.
GRIN Enjoy GRIN
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak6.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak5.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak7.jpg
GRIN GRIN GRIN GRIN
-Drew
ttocs on 03/14/2008 16:00:08
drew, that box in the back seat is a safety hazard, what happens if you have to stop too fast and end up rear-ending somebody? I know, you are not planning on having an accident right?
So how did you like mitres, would you do it again? Have you ever used a biscuit joiner? It provides a VERY solid connection with no visable holds. I bought one last year for a project in my car and was happy with the results.
newB on 03/14/2008 16:16:24
yes the box in the back seat is a safety hazard and yes i went to school and back with it in there. no accidents yet !
it was only back there for 15min tops, just to test the initial sound of the box.
i would use this wood and do another build with it, just using traditional layering rather than the wedge joints.
and no- dont know what a biscuit joiner is, link me to a pic?
-Drew
swez on 03/14/2008 18:35:40
Biscuit joiner:
http://www.woodzone.com/articles/biscuit/biscuit_joiner.htm
Great tool for the serious/professional wood worker and cabinate maker. I don't own one but if that was my business, I would indeed buy one.
Wedge cuts are challenging without the right tools and some practice. Cutting them with expensive plywood pieces means a good table saw, a very toothy and thin blade curf to avoid tear outs and divots while cutting. Another option to hide the end grain is to use a thin laminate over the work to cover all panels and shave off the excess with a quality carbide router bit. With a little practice, the finished product will look very top notch.
newB on 03/14/2008 20:03:49
i'll have to look into the joiner- seems like a very handy tool to have on tap when needed.
circular saw first, joiner second
my arsenal of wood tools is growing!
-Drew
ttocs on 03/14/2008 21:50:15
ok, I thought you were leaving the box there. I have no issue with putting it in to hear it, I thought this was a longterm thing since you obviously spent some time to figure out the mitre joints.
I too have been slowly expanding my tool arsenal, wood included. When I made the cover board for my amp rack I needed the biscuit to make it. I made the two sides speratly(for the fine cutting around the edges), and then connected them with the biscuit with two strips of wood. IT has held up with taking in and out more then a few times and has never scared me yet.
I actually do not have a circular saw yet myself.... For long straight cuts I have sometimes gone to car audio shops with the wood and the cuts I need and thrown them $5 for lunch. With a table saw it only takes 5 secs if you have the dimensions already. Between that, my dremel and my jig-saw I have been able to get everything done.
newB on 03/15/2008 04:23:01
sounds good!!!
no chance of the box killing anybody here... GRIN
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/oak8.jpg
-Drew
swez on 03/15/2008 06:18:11
Nice HT system in the room there Drew. (A few tips if you like)
Consider making some stands for your front stage speakers to get them up off the floor and high enough to bring the Mids and Tweets up to chest level where the focal point is. (Couch, chairs or seating arrangement)
This will raise the front stage presents and decouple them from the floor, rear wall and corners that tend to color or muddy up the midbass region of their output.
Experiment with placement height and angles until the best imaging and clarity are found. The sub can/will fill in the gaps below 150 Hz., depending on the crossover range selected.
Swez
newB on 03/15/2008 21:34:34
sounds good!
the mother doesnt like the flat black and unappealing L and R stage any higher than floor level, so i'll have to come up with another solution (use my extra ply to build mid boxes?? GRIN)
-Drew
swez on 03/16/2008 09:44:48
Sure, that might be a good option and use a laminate to match the decore of the entertainment center. It's a little more work and cost for that step, but will blend in well with Mom's choices and perhaps a lower shelf area for more of her nick-nacks too.
Also, consider moving the sub box around the room or hide it if possible. Right now, she probably sees it as an eye sore to the rest of the room decore. (Mom did a nice job in decorating that room and let not junior mess things up for long)
Here again, laminating the sub enclosure to match the decore would be a very good idea. Consider a full face grill cloth frame in a color that blends with the room theme. The tones in the carpeting give a few nice color options. In other words, work with Mom's decore and not against her well planned dream room.
Swez COFFEE
PS This will also help build new carpentry skills too. Laminates are a very nice touch and it takes a little practice to get them just right. Here, you'll learn the finer details of furniture grade cabinate making too. You have a good router now right?
newB on 03/16/2008 11:42:25
This is what i was thinking of doing at some point-
then running the now disconnected rear fill speakers in the back, possibly through the amp/sub positioned in the back of the room instead of right there, now i need to figure out a way to hide all the wires!
-Drew
swez on 03/16/2008 14:50:27
Yes, looked at that initially too as a good set of options, but that's something to negotiate with Mom. (You're in her domain for a season and several good reasons) So, before doing any such tweaks, get her read on things. Her likes and priorities may not match well with yours and living in her home, one has to respect that completely.
As for hiding wires, if there is a basement or crawl space under this room, all rear channel wires, (#16 wire) can be bundled and run under the floor joists and then split out to the respective speaker locations as planned. A 1/4" hole is plenty and then use color matched grommets, (Paint them) to dress up the holes made and viola, problem solved.
If there is no crawl space for wiring access, consider wireless amplified speakers in the rear stage. I don't know the details on this option, but some research could lead to a workable solution.
Swez
newB on 03/17/2008 04:26:28
we're renting one house within a "master planned community"
cookie cutter houses
so there are no basements or crawl spaces below floor level, and the way it is set up there is an island with two couches/recliners and a center counter w/ dishwasher sink and all the kitchen goodies. My brain is twisted around how to get a wire run to the center, passing this ring of constantly traveled walkways.
-Drew
cplkittle on 03/17/2008 21:56:53
So Drew, are you any good at guitar hero? I saw the guitar propped against the tv.
have you seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DSYj8GfIo8
admin on 03/17/2008 22:47:50
That's amazing!
newB on 03/18/2008 03:41:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9ao_vOsZkg
little brother plays more than i do- its really his game although i like to mess around occasionally... GRIN
i tend to see everything warped after i play and it really trips me out, we also have the full ROCK BAND and i can jam on the drums for that game for hours just for kicks
-Drew
(Xbox 360 ftw)
cplkittle on 03/18/2008 11:08:19
The first time I played it (2 weeks ago) I had a few beers with my cousin shortly after his wife left him. We played for about 2 hours. I told him that I had to slow down on the beer because the TV was trying to crawl up the wall. He laughed at me and explained that it was the game not the beer.
newB on 03/18/2008 17:45:14
that game messes with your mind after a while.
pink elephants and everything
-Drew
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak2.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak3.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak4.jpg
first thoughts are that it booms the lows very strong (as intended)
i still have a bunch of steps to go before i finish, internal bracing, sanding, stain, possible trim pieces and wood filler for the mistakes on the edges all to come in the next few days.
GRIN
-Drew
Replies (21)
cplkittle on 03/13/2008 23:39:49
You are pretty good with the woodwork.
Did you notice any annoying hollow echo or excessive boominess?
newB on 03/13/2008 23:42:55
yes- but the build adds another variable i need to control before i can give you a definite answer. retarded me attempted the FULL wedge joint which made it so very difficult to assemble i ended last night boiling over with frustration. i will keep you updated when the patches are mended and the bracing is added.
-Drew
ttocs on 03/14/2008 00:12:10
don't you understand the risk that you have with the box in the back seat?
What did you use to hold it together? Screws, biscuits, brads. glue?
newB on 03/14/2008 02:39:03
screws, as few as possible and PLENTY of glue.
the box was pinned under the folded back passenger seat, not full proof but better than it sitting as dead weight.
UPDATE!!!!
i <3 this box. i fixed 95% of my stupid build errors and the box came out MUCH better than i had expected only this morning. got it stained and almost done, i'm going to add a bit of bracing tomorrow and call it complete.
GRIN Enjoy GRIN
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak6.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak5.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/Oak7.jpg
GRIN GRIN GRIN GRIN
-Drew
ttocs on 03/14/2008 16:00:08
drew, that box in the back seat is a safety hazard, what happens if you have to stop too fast and end up rear-ending somebody? I know, you are not planning on having an accident right?
So how did you like mitres, would you do it again? Have you ever used a biscuit joiner? It provides a VERY solid connection with no visable holds. I bought one last year for a project in my car and was happy with the results.
newB on 03/14/2008 16:16:24
yes the box in the back seat is a safety hazard and yes i went to school and back with it in there. no accidents yet !
it was only back there for 15min tops, just to test the initial sound of the box.
i would use this wood and do another build with it, just using traditional layering rather than the wedge joints.
and no- dont know what a biscuit joiner is, link me to a pic?
-Drew
swez on 03/14/2008 18:35:40
Biscuit joiner:
http://www.woodzone.com/articles/biscuit/biscuit_joiner.htm
Great tool for the serious/professional wood worker and cabinate maker. I don't own one but if that was my business, I would indeed buy one.
Wedge cuts are challenging without the right tools and some practice. Cutting them with expensive plywood pieces means a good table saw, a very toothy and thin blade curf to avoid tear outs and divots while cutting. Another option to hide the end grain is to use a thin laminate over the work to cover all panels and shave off the excess with a quality carbide router bit. With a little practice, the finished product will look very top notch.
newB on 03/14/2008 20:03:49
i'll have to look into the joiner- seems like a very handy tool to have on tap when needed.
circular saw first, joiner second
my arsenal of wood tools is growing!
-Drew
ttocs on 03/14/2008 21:50:15
ok, I thought you were leaving the box there. I have no issue with putting it in to hear it, I thought this was a longterm thing since you obviously spent some time to figure out the mitre joints.
I too have been slowly expanding my tool arsenal, wood included. When I made the cover board for my amp rack I needed the biscuit to make it. I made the two sides speratly(for the fine cutting around the edges), and then connected them with the biscuit with two strips of wood. IT has held up with taking in and out more then a few times and has never scared me yet.
I actually do not have a circular saw yet myself.... For long straight cuts I have sometimes gone to car audio shops with the wood and the cuts I need and thrown them $5 for lunch. With a table saw it only takes 5 secs if you have the dimensions already. Between that, my dremel and my jig-saw I have been able to get everything done.
newB on 03/15/2008 04:23:01
sounds good!!!
no chance of the box killing anybody here... GRIN
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/oak8.jpg
-Drew
swez on 03/15/2008 06:18:11
Nice HT system in the room there Drew. (A few tips if you like)
Consider making some stands for your front stage speakers to get them up off the floor and high enough to bring the Mids and Tweets up to chest level where the focal point is. (Couch, chairs or seating arrangement)
This will raise the front stage presents and decouple them from the floor, rear wall and corners that tend to color or muddy up the midbass region of their output.
Experiment with placement height and angles until the best imaging and clarity are found. The sub can/will fill in the gaps below 150 Hz., depending on the crossover range selected.
Swez
newB on 03/15/2008 21:34:34
sounds good!
the mother doesnt like the flat black and unappealing L and R stage any higher than floor level, so i'll have to come up with another solution (use my extra ply to build mid boxes?? GRIN)
-Drew
swez on 03/16/2008 09:44:48
Sure, that might be a good option and use a laminate to match the decore of the entertainment center. It's a little more work and cost for that step, but will blend in well with Mom's choices and perhaps a lower shelf area for more of her nick-nacks too.
Also, consider moving the sub box around the room or hide it if possible. Right now, she probably sees it as an eye sore to the rest of the room decore. (Mom did a nice job in decorating that room and let not junior mess things up for long)
Here again, laminating the sub enclosure to match the decore would be a very good idea. Consider a full face grill cloth frame in a color that blends with the room theme. The tones in the carpeting give a few nice color options. In other words, work with Mom's decore and not against her well planned dream room.
Swez COFFEE
PS This will also help build new carpentry skills too. Laminates are a very nice touch and it takes a little practice to get them just right. Here, you'll learn the finer details of furniture grade cabinate making too. You have a good router now right?
newB on 03/16/2008 11:42:25
This is what i was thinking of doing at some point-
then running the now disconnected rear fill speakers in the back, possibly through the amp/sub positioned in the back of the room instead of right there, now i need to figure out a way to hide all the wires!
-Drew
swez on 03/16/2008 14:50:27
Yes, looked at that initially too as a good set of options, but that's something to negotiate with Mom. (You're in her domain for a season and several good reasons) So, before doing any such tweaks, get her read on things. Her likes and priorities may not match well with yours and living in her home, one has to respect that completely.
As for hiding wires, if there is a basement or crawl space under this room, all rear channel wires, (#16 wire) can be bundled and run under the floor joists and then split out to the respective speaker locations as planned. A 1/4" hole is plenty and then use color matched grommets, (Paint them) to dress up the holes made and viola, problem solved.
If there is no crawl space for wiring access, consider wireless amplified speakers in the rear stage. I don't know the details on this option, but some research could lead to a workable solution.
Swez
newB on 03/17/2008 04:26:28
we're renting one house within a "master planned community"
cookie cutter houses
so there are no basements or crawl spaces below floor level, and the way it is set up there is an island with two couches/recliners and a center counter w/ dishwasher sink and all the kitchen goodies. My brain is twisted around how to get a wire run to the center, passing this ring of constantly traveled walkways.
-Drew
cplkittle on 03/17/2008 21:56:53
So Drew, are you any good at guitar hero? I saw the guitar propped against the tv.
have you seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DSYj8GfIo8
admin on 03/17/2008 22:47:50
That's amazing!
newB on 03/18/2008 03:41:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9ao_vOsZkg
little brother plays more than i do- its really his game although i like to mess around occasionally... GRIN
i tend to see everything warped after i play and it really trips me out, we also have the full ROCK BAND and i can jam on the drums for that game for hours just for kicks
-Drew
(Xbox 360 ftw)
cplkittle on 03/18/2008 11:08:19
The first time I played it (2 weeks ago) I had a few beers with my cousin shortly after his wife left him. We played for about 2 hours. I told him that I had to slow down on the beer because the TV was trying to crawl up the wall. He laughed at me and explained that it was the game not the beer.
newB on 03/18/2008 17:45:14
that game messes with your mind after a while.
pink elephants and everything
-Drew
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