So last Tuesday, I'm roling along in the Bucket, bumpin some tunes, the usual, with a couple of homies, and my buddy in the back seat had a seizure! The freakest thing I have ever had happen.
We were laughing and having some jokes when my homie started to cough, and then foam at the mouth, and flail his arm all over the place. We pulled over, pulled him out the ride, and called an ambulance.
Afterwards the ambulance shows up, and says his heart rate is so high they think weve been smoking crack or meth or something. Explained to them there were no activities of THAT nature (activities yes, but not like that), and it turned out his heart rate didn't drop for hours after the 5 minute or so seizure.
Man, this crap had me shook the hell up for a couple of days. After watching my homie almost die in my arm on the side of the road, it really makes one take a long look at life and how abruptly it can be ended prematurely.
My buddy is OK, checked out of the hospital about 8 hours later, and crazy enough, he went to work the next day in better spirits than me. I was probably way more shook up than anybody.
It was really bad, because if my other freind wouldn't have been there, I would have just went racing to the hospital balls to the wall, and he could have died along the way if my homie hadn't told me to pull him out, and helped him with stuff I didn't have a clue about.
Still curious to what the cause of it was. We were bumping a really low track, one I can't listen to for more than a minute before i start to feel funny. It was shortyl after that that this happened. I know that flashing lights, videogames, and some cartoons can cause this to happen, but what about bass vibration?
I know SPL in excess of 150Db can stop a human heart, but what about 135ish causing a seizure prone dude to go into a fit? To play it safe, I gotta treat the stereo like a kid's in the car becuase I definitelly don't want to see anything like that happen agian.
I spent the next 3 days working on my car seeing old freinds and getting sloshed to get the images out of my head, and for the most part it worked. At least some great things came out of it, but I'll explain that in another post. I hope nothing like that ever happens again!
Replies (10)
ttocs on 03/1/2008 22:03:48
if 150 stops a human heart I would be dead a couple times over. He has not had any history of this before?
Great things huh? whats his name??????
newB on 03/1/2008 22:10:57
yeah man apparently i'm supposed to be dead as well
(best 5min @154db of my life)
besides some moist undergarments on select ladies I haven't heard anything like that before
-Drew
SQLThump on 03/1/2008 22:22:22
His name is Mike Robinson. Didn't know his last name till I had to fish out his ID for the cops. He does have a history of this (had the last one before this 3 months ago), but has not been diagnosed epilleptic. Strange, because the only two other people I met who had seizures were epilleptic. Doctor did tell him a while back he can't drink, drive, play video games, or any of the things people my age do. Poor bastard.....
As for the 150Db's stopping a heart, I have never seen this proven, have onlt heard of it, and when i read it, it says "can" as in could, now "will" as in does kill every time. I think this could only happen to Swez, or the great grandkinds, either really young or old. or maybe stops the heart for a fraction of a second, who knows?Basically an urban myth, but I swear I saw this in a magazine or something
The great things are the things I did to my car to get this out of my head.
And Drew, I think the car audio and female undergarments go hand in hand with all the underwear high powered bass can ruin.
cplkittle on 03/1/2008 23:16:52
I think the 150 myth comes from most SPL competitions make you use a remote head unit if you expect 150-155 or more from your stereo.
Photosensitive epileptic seizures are the ones triggered by video games or flashing lights. My cousin's son has had a few of them after playing guitar hero for a long period of time. My cousin said it had to do with the bottom part of the screen moving constantly, then when you look away, you get the sensation that everything is still moving.
Some seizures are triggered by sound, but is very rare. The way understand it, there is only one trigger per person with epilepsy. If it is triggered by lights, audio won't trigger it. The most common triggers are lights, movement, bold colors, stress, or excitement.
SQLThump on 03/1/2008 23:34:57
Totally feel that with Guitar Hero. I swear that game does things to your head!
He really is not too sure of the causes, the vidoe game-drinking and driving warnings from the doc are just to stay well on the safe
side if anything could happen.
Quote
" The most common triggers are lights, movement, bold colors, stress, or excitement. "
There was plenty of all of the above going on, except stress (chimichanga's are known to fix that) plus some mad bass. Who is to say really. Sucks that I have to keep the "kid-glove" treatment going on when he is chillin though.
As for the 150 myth, I bet it is something like that, or something the oldsters said to scare us yung'uns to turn it down. Would kind of like to see where this originates.
swez on 03/2/2008 10:22:00
Scary event there bud and is sounds like you guys did the right things to help him during the onset and progressive stages of his seizure. Looked up a few things and this site seems to give a good 1... 2... 3 -10 steps to first aid in the field while awaiting EMS to arrive:
http://www.neurologychannel.com/epilepsy/prognosis.shtml
Also, think about your own reactions to the event in process and after help arrived. (Panic, Calm, Confused or Proactive)
1. Remain calm and know what to do/not do during such an event
2. Get professional help ASAP (EMS to hospital)
3. Processing the inner affects after the event has been been arrested and patient returns to normal
4. Consider taking some free classes in CPR and First Aid at the local fire department (That knowledge is vital when we are on the scene and waiting for help to arrive)
Hum, you may have found your next job/calling here SQL... "EMT/ Parametics" are highly skilled technicians, can handle the pressures of the moment and do save lives. The job is demanding, pays very well and people who can handle this pressure and still remain focused on the tasks at hand are invaluable to have in the field.
Looking back on your posts about joining the military and finding a meaning career, this might be a very good alternative. The training is hard, but when that's done and over with, there are various levels of progression for EMT's.
EMT's are not put in "harms way", (bullets and bombs flying around all over the place) are trained to respond to many types of emergency situations and the programs are very well structured in modules to gain rank, proficiency and add more skills later.
Demand is high for such skilled Techs and very portable too. One can go anywhere they wish when certified to meet demand in a given area. Imagine the ability to save another person's life! The pay is well above average too. (A ticket out of a tough economic area and into a rewarding career)
Think about this option a while and do some research too. Yes, the hours may be long and the pace may be insain in larger cities and surburban areas, but one can learn a lot by just dropping in to the local fire station and asking lots of questions from those who are now doing this type of work. You may even find grants are available to help pay for the education/training.
What say you on this idea?
Swez
PS The comments about 150+ dB Bass SPL do change heart and brain activities. A few years back, was in a demo room where the salesman put on some serious bass trackson a pair of the older Kicker Solobarics. (6 cf ported boxes, each sub powered by a Kicker 750.1 amps)
It was amusing to watch stuff falling off the walls and light fixtures coming loose from their mountings. Was about 10 feet away for the subs and my pant legs were fluttering, felt a little nausiated and noted a change in heart beat patterns and some compression in the chest too.
After about 2 minutes of this stuff, I'd had enough! "Thanks for the show", but not my cup of tea... COFFEE
newB on 03/2/2008 13:29:55
750.1 amps? 6cuft?
car i got demo'd in was 6cuft with a RF 3000.1bd on each 15
6k rms ftw
sql sounds good man, keep us updated on your career choices ;-)
GRIN
-Drew
SQLThump on 03/2/2008 23:05:59
My buddy riding shotgun should be an EMT, not me. I looked at the link, and he got 9 out of 10 things on that list done, I was straight up panicing.
It is different for me I guess when it's somebody else's life on the line, and not mine. I have had knives pulled on me, people threaten to shoot me, had the crap kicked out of me (and done the same back), but for the most part remained calm. Not perfectly calm, but waaaay more calm than when this happened. I had absolutely no clue what to do, and was freaking out about it. Jaime on the other hand was cool, collected, knew what to do, and called an ambulance with a cell phone, which I don't even own.
I can remain calm in most sitiations that are dangerous to myself, but when somebody else is on the line, I'm shot. That kind of cool makes me feel confident for the military, saving lives is a business I don't see myself being cool under pressure, unless that was more like preventing murder or death of that nature.
I will definitely look into first aid classes though, at least knowing what to do sounds like a great idea in case some crap like this happens again, but hopefully I would be preparing for something that doesn't occur again....
Military work is still heavily on my mind, I just need to take my time and find something suitable for me. I think a job selling or installing would be a lot cooler than all of the above at this point! GRIN
swez on 03/3/2008 04:54:30
The "panic factor" comes from not knowing what to do when a crisis hits critical mass. Most people will have a degree of that in any situation they are unfamiliar with and have no experience/training to take appropriate action.
If one has experience/training, they are less likely to panic as the shock factor is quickly replaced with drawing on experience and training to take quick and decisive action. Your buddy did not panic as he knew what to do and took the right steps as a matter of knowledge and experience with such things.
Try to keep in mind that when a situation goes down. It's not that we can know everything, but we can draw on the skills and knowledge of others to guide and instruct us in a moment of crisis. Jaimie was the go-to-guy in this scenario. You may be the go-to-guy in other areas as well. We all have limitations.
About Selling: Sales is a skill and an art form in one package. In the best case scenario, one is very knowledgable about many things... his products, his line of support, the ability to analyze a customer's needs and manage customer reluctance/resistance and reassure them that you have their best interests in mind and able to deliver what is promised.
It's a transaction to be sure. But even more important, it's the ability to project confidence, integrity and a "can do" attitude with a customer or potential buyer. People buy from others they trust, have confidence in and have a need, want or desire. A skilled sales person knows how to build rapport and trust quickly with many types of people. In most cases, that takes time to learn and hone the skills as they go.
There's also a lot of rejection to deal with in the selling process too. (That depends on the product, the needs/desires of a given customer and our skill as "people readers" to fill in the blanks and connect the dots) I think you have these skills in the raw already. It's more a matter of refining these "raw" skills and developing them to a level that would bring home the bacon while building rapport with all kinds of people in the process.
Personally, I love consumable sales. Here, it's all about people skills and instilling confidence for them to become repeat buyers later. People buy from others they like, trust and have confidence in. Once those are in place, we have a solid formula for success. If one gets the fundamentals down and has a "can do" attitude that comes from experience, they will be successful.
Questions/comments?
Swez
PS There are a lot of "Slick Willy" sales types out there as well. These people speak well and are very convincing and almost seductive in nature. (Think slimy politician, hit and run media and sub-prime mortgage lenders here)
They promise a lot, prey on others fears and insecurities and instill fear to induce a sale. In the end, they tend to deliver just enough to line their pockets while screwing the buyers in the process. These types exploit others for thier own gain. Haven't we seen enough of that in "Big Business", politics and the greed on Wall Street? MAD
SQLThump on 03/3/2008 22:36:38
I am familair with sales, but more on a food sales mission. I have waited tables before, and a lot of the same aspects are there, but the product is vastly different. But when it comes down to it, balancing getting the people what they need, knowledge of product, and freindly, prompt service with drive to move product and increase profit.
When it comes down to it, its the difference between a Ribeye steak and an amp. If anything, there is more to know about product when selling food, when you have to know every ingrdient on the menu, be able to custom order things and make sure your steaks and the like are getting out at the right tempature.
With stereo equipment, it's more the case helping someone decide their needs and budget, and matching up a well performing system, and making sure the end product is installed right and functions well. I got this much down, now to get more people to pay me for it.......
We were laughing and having some jokes when my homie started to cough, and then foam at the mouth, and flail his arm all over the place. We pulled over, pulled him out the ride, and called an ambulance.
Afterwards the ambulance shows up, and says his heart rate is so high they think weve been smoking crack or meth or something. Explained to them there were no activities of THAT nature (activities yes, but not like that), and it turned out his heart rate didn't drop for hours after the 5 minute or so seizure.
Man, this crap had me shook the hell up for a couple of days. After watching my homie almost die in my arm on the side of the road, it really makes one take a long look at life and how abruptly it can be ended prematurely.
My buddy is OK, checked out of the hospital about 8 hours later, and crazy enough, he went to work the next day in better spirits than me. I was probably way more shook up than anybody.
It was really bad, because if my other freind wouldn't have been there, I would have just went racing to the hospital balls to the wall, and he could have died along the way if my homie hadn't told me to pull him out, and helped him with stuff I didn't have a clue about.
Still curious to what the cause of it was. We were bumping a really low track, one I can't listen to for more than a minute before i start to feel funny. It was shortyl after that that this happened. I know that flashing lights, videogames, and some cartoons can cause this to happen, but what about bass vibration?
I know SPL in excess of 150Db can stop a human heart, but what about 135ish causing a seizure prone dude to go into a fit? To play it safe, I gotta treat the stereo like a kid's in the car becuase I definitelly don't want to see anything like that happen agian.
I spent the next 3 days working on my car seeing old freinds and getting sloshed to get the images out of my head, and for the most part it worked. At least some great things came out of it, but I'll explain that in another post. I hope nothing like that ever happens again!
Replies (10)
ttocs on 03/1/2008 22:03:48
if 150 stops a human heart I would be dead a couple times over. He has not had any history of this before?
Great things huh? whats his name??????
newB on 03/1/2008 22:10:57
yeah man apparently i'm supposed to be dead as well
(best 5min @154db of my life)
besides some moist undergarments on select ladies I haven't heard anything like that before
-Drew
SQLThump on 03/1/2008 22:22:22
His name is Mike Robinson. Didn't know his last name till I had to fish out his ID for the cops. He does have a history of this (had the last one before this 3 months ago), but has not been diagnosed epilleptic. Strange, because the only two other people I met who had seizures were epilleptic. Doctor did tell him a while back he can't drink, drive, play video games, or any of the things people my age do. Poor bastard.....
As for the 150Db's stopping a heart, I have never seen this proven, have onlt heard of it, and when i read it, it says "can" as in could, now "will" as in does kill every time. I think this could only happen to Swez, or the great grandkinds, either really young or old. or maybe stops the heart for a fraction of a second, who knows?Basically an urban myth, but I swear I saw this in a magazine or something
The great things are the things I did to my car to get this out of my head.
And Drew, I think the car audio and female undergarments go hand in hand with all the underwear high powered bass can ruin.
cplkittle on 03/1/2008 23:16:52
I think the 150 myth comes from most SPL competitions make you use a remote head unit if you expect 150-155 or more from your stereo.
Photosensitive epileptic seizures are the ones triggered by video games or flashing lights. My cousin's son has had a few of them after playing guitar hero for a long period of time. My cousin said it had to do with the bottom part of the screen moving constantly, then when you look away, you get the sensation that everything is still moving.
Some seizures are triggered by sound, but is very rare. The way understand it, there is only one trigger per person with epilepsy. If it is triggered by lights, audio won't trigger it. The most common triggers are lights, movement, bold colors, stress, or excitement.
SQLThump on 03/1/2008 23:34:57
Totally feel that with Guitar Hero. I swear that game does things to your head!
He really is not too sure of the causes, the vidoe game-drinking and driving warnings from the doc are just to stay well on the safe
side if anything could happen.
Quote
" The most common triggers are lights, movement, bold colors, stress, or excitement. "
There was plenty of all of the above going on, except stress (chimichanga's are known to fix that) plus some mad bass. Who is to say really. Sucks that I have to keep the "kid-glove" treatment going on when he is chillin though.
As for the 150 myth, I bet it is something like that, or something the oldsters said to scare us yung'uns to turn it down. Would kind of like to see where this originates.
swez on 03/2/2008 10:22:00
Scary event there bud and is sounds like you guys did the right things to help him during the onset and progressive stages of his seizure. Looked up a few things and this site seems to give a good 1... 2... 3 -10 steps to first aid in the field while awaiting EMS to arrive:
http://www.neurologychannel.com/epilepsy/prognosis.shtml
Also, think about your own reactions to the event in process and after help arrived. (Panic, Calm, Confused or Proactive)
1. Remain calm and know what to do/not do during such an event
2. Get professional help ASAP (EMS to hospital)
3. Processing the inner affects after the event has been been arrested and patient returns to normal
4. Consider taking some free classes in CPR and First Aid at the local fire department (That knowledge is vital when we are on the scene and waiting for help to arrive)
Hum, you may have found your next job/calling here SQL... "EMT/ Parametics" are highly skilled technicians, can handle the pressures of the moment and do save lives. The job is demanding, pays very well and people who can handle this pressure and still remain focused on the tasks at hand are invaluable to have in the field.
Looking back on your posts about joining the military and finding a meaning career, this might be a very good alternative. The training is hard, but when that's done and over with, there are various levels of progression for EMT's.
EMT's are not put in "harms way", (bullets and bombs flying around all over the place) are trained to respond to many types of emergency situations and the programs are very well structured in modules to gain rank, proficiency and add more skills later.
Demand is high for such skilled Techs and very portable too. One can go anywhere they wish when certified to meet demand in a given area. Imagine the ability to save another person's life! The pay is well above average too. (A ticket out of a tough economic area and into a rewarding career)
Think about this option a while and do some research too. Yes, the hours may be long and the pace may be insain in larger cities and surburban areas, but one can learn a lot by just dropping in to the local fire station and asking lots of questions from those who are now doing this type of work. You may even find grants are available to help pay for the education/training.
What say you on this idea?
Swez
PS The comments about 150+ dB Bass SPL do change heart and brain activities. A few years back, was in a demo room where the salesman put on some serious bass trackson a pair of the older Kicker Solobarics. (6 cf ported boxes, each sub powered by a Kicker 750.1 amps)
It was amusing to watch stuff falling off the walls and light fixtures coming loose from their mountings. Was about 10 feet away for the subs and my pant legs were fluttering, felt a little nausiated and noted a change in heart beat patterns and some compression in the chest too.
After about 2 minutes of this stuff, I'd had enough! "Thanks for the show", but not my cup of tea... COFFEE
newB on 03/2/2008 13:29:55
750.1 amps? 6cuft?
car i got demo'd in was 6cuft with a RF 3000.1bd on each 15
6k rms ftw
sql sounds good man, keep us updated on your career choices ;-)
GRIN
-Drew
SQLThump on 03/2/2008 23:05:59
My buddy riding shotgun should be an EMT, not me. I looked at the link, and he got 9 out of 10 things on that list done, I was straight up panicing.
It is different for me I guess when it's somebody else's life on the line, and not mine. I have had knives pulled on me, people threaten to shoot me, had the crap kicked out of me (and done the same back), but for the most part remained calm. Not perfectly calm, but waaaay more calm than when this happened. I had absolutely no clue what to do, and was freaking out about it. Jaime on the other hand was cool, collected, knew what to do, and called an ambulance with a cell phone, which I don't even own.
I can remain calm in most sitiations that are dangerous to myself, but when somebody else is on the line, I'm shot. That kind of cool makes me feel confident for the military, saving lives is a business I don't see myself being cool under pressure, unless that was more like preventing murder or death of that nature.
I will definitely look into first aid classes though, at least knowing what to do sounds like a great idea in case some crap like this happens again, but hopefully I would be preparing for something that doesn't occur again....
Military work is still heavily on my mind, I just need to take my time and find something suitable for me. I think a job selling or installing would be a lot cooler than all of the above at this point! GRIN
swez on 03/3/2008 04:54:30
The "panic factor" comes from not knowing what to do when a crisis hits critical mass. Most people will have a degree of that in any situation they are unfamiliar with and have no experience/training to take appropriate action.
If one has experience/training, they are less likely to panic as the shock factor is quickly replaced with drawing on experience and training to take quick and decisive action. Your buddy did not panic as he knew what to do and took the right steps as a matter of knowledge and experience with such things.
Try to keep in mind that when a situation goes down. It's not that we can know everything, but we can draw on the skills and knowledge of others to guide and instruct us in a moment of crisis. Jaimie was the go-to-guy in this scenario. You may be the go-to-guy in other areas as well. We all have limitations.
About Selling: Sales is a skill and an art form in one package. In the best case scenario, one is very knowledgable about many things... his products, his line of support, the ability to analyze a customer's needs and manage customer reluctance/resistance and reassure them that you have their best interests in mind and able to deliver what is promised.
It's a transaction to be sure. But even more important, it's the ability to project confidence, integrity and a "can do" attitude with a customer or potential buyer. People buy from others they trust, have confidence in and have a need, want or desire. A skilled sales person knows how to build rapport and trust quickly with many types of people. In most cases, that takes time to learn and hone the skills as they go.
There's also a lot of rejection to deal with in the selling process too. (That depends on the product, the needs/desires of a given customer and our skill as "people readers" to fill in the blanks and connect the dots) I think you have these skills in the raw already. It's more a matter of refining these "raw" skills and developing them to a level that would bring home the bacon while building rapport with all kinds of people in the process.
Personally, I love consumable sales. Here, it's all about people skills and instilling confidence for them to become repeat buyers later. People buy from others they like, trust and have confidence in. Once those are in place, we have a solid formula for success. If one gets the fundamentals down and has a "can do" attitude that comes from experience, they will be successful.
Questions/comments?
Swez
PS There are a lot of "Slick Willy" sales types out there as well. These people speak well and are very convincing and almost seductive in nature. (Think slimy politician, hit and run media and sub-prime mortgage lenders here)
They promise a lot, prey on others fears and insecurities and instill fear to induce a sale. In the end, they tend to deliver just enough to line their pockets while screwing the buyers in the process. These types exploit others for thier own gain. Haven't we seen enough of that in "Big Business", politics and the greed on Wall Street? MAD
SQLThump on 03/3/2008 22:36:38
I am familair with sales, but more on a food sales mission. I have waited tables before, and a lot of the same aspects are there, but the product is vastly different. But when it comes down to it, balancing getting the people what they need, knowledge of product, and freindly, prompt service with drive to move product and increase profit.
When it comes down to it, its the difference between a Ribeye steak and an amp. If anything, there is more to know about product when selling food, when you have to know every ingrdient on the menu, be able to custom order things and make sure your steaks and the like are getting out at the right tempature.
With stereo equipment, it's more the case helping someone decide their needs and budget, and matching up a well performing system, and making sure the end product is installed right and functions well. I got this much down, now to get more people to pay me for it.......
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