I recently just got a 05 grand prix with onstar and non bose system so i purchased a pac OS-2 wiring harness i thought i would retain the door chime and onstar abilities but it doesnt now my question is whether or not if this is the right wiring harness for my car and if it is
Replies (10)
cplkittle on 02/12/2008 14:29:35
I never really liked PAC products. It is the proper integration module for your vehicle. Here is the information I found online. It is a cut and paste from the address pasted below. Read the last line of the product information:
http://www.driveinautosound.com/browseproducts/PAC-0S2.html
OnStar Interface for Class 2 non-Bose vehicles.
Data Link Controller chip (DLC) designed for GM's Class 2 data bus.
Safe & Sound Class 2 circuitry will not disable vehicle data bus even if interface loses power.
Keep active OnStar on even when the key is removed and the door is opened.
LED and Ignition on LED for visual indication.
Provides +12v switched accessory output.
Smart Sense Mute output.
Retains door chimes when used with optional CM1 chime module.
SQLThump on 02/12/2008 17:40:14
Wow, a seperate module for the door chimes? Thats pretty weak.
I seroiusly must be the only person on Earth who hates door chimes, I pulled the fuse that controls them, and locks my doors automatically every time I put the car in drive. About the most annoying feature I have ever had in my 7 vehicles, and more than happy to see it gone.
swez on 02/13/2008 18:04:31
And not a cheap package either. Think it's like $80.00 retail for that stupid feature to remain in tact. They bypass the OEM chime set and use a separate module with its own speaker for the chimes and audibles.
Look at the labor rates these guys charge for various install needs too:
http://www.driveinautosound.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=37
Swez
SQLThump on 02/14/2008 03:35:47
Man, I would never pay that! But it makes my life more profitable, last few installs, I sent my customer to the most expensive place in town, told him to get an estimate of all the work, and from there, cut the price directly in half.
He was very pleased with the deal, and I was very pleased that CarToys is so damned overpriced. Everybody made out great, he has a better quality stereo installation than the hackjobs install there, at a better price, and I made a great profit!
swez on 02/14/2008 05:51:50
That's the whole point.... see what shops charge locally and cut the install price by 30% and make a good profit for doing things we are good at and enjoy to the max.
Another aspect for the DIY'er, we learn as we do things ourselves. We know where every wire and fuse is located. That makes troubleshooting much easier later. If something slips out of sync later, we know where to look first and save some nice duckets for better quality gear and hardware too.
Swez
SQLThump on 02/14/2008 06:10:03
Yeah, people are liking it. Fortunately, the shops charge so much around here that I can undercut them 50% and still make more than comfortable profit. Sending in the customer to draw up their own estimate at the shop, so they know I'm not naming my own price, and then slaching it makes for some great customer satisfaction too. Certian people, like my next door neighbor, are still on a "six pack" install charge basis. These guys need to be a free cut above just to keep the cul-du-sac hoppin!
cplkittle on 02/14/2008 08:08:45
Keep in mind that even though they do charge alot, they are always there to gurantee their work. You are responsible for your work, and if you begin to dabble with alarms or remote starts, there is always the risk of tearing up something expensive. Our local circuit city popped the airbags in a new mercedes ( all 6 of them ), while installing a bluetooth hands free kit. Personally I have no clue how you could trigger the airbags on something that simple.
In remote starts, you are more likely to dabble with the steering column wiring harness. Also, on some vehicles, if the second ignition is not powered in the start process, it could damage the automatic transmission.
Stay away from mercedes and bmw, and you should not have too many problems.
SQLThump on 02/14/2008 17:39:30
Oh, yeah, I don't mess with things like remote starts and alarms, and definitely do not work with anything german, except older ones. Even VW's are getting past my comfort levels lately.
Maybe the Short Circuit City boys should have disconnected the battery ground before starting any projects!
swez on 02/15/2008 10:21:53
That's hoot Kit! I wonder how much that major blunder cost the store manager to replace all 6 airbags?
After observing a skilled tech installing an alarm and remote starter system on a fully equipped Caddy, it was evident that unskilled hands do not belong in this game. Even at his level of experience, he had to break out all the manuals, make a few calls to Tech Support and the job took a solid 4 hours of total concentration.
I just watched periodically, did not say a word unless he initiated a comment and most of his comments were RANT words we cannot use on this site either. (You could just feel the tension as he worked it all out) There were a few moments so tense, I suggested we go out back for a smoke break and have a few laughs. He gladly accepted that offer a few times in the process. (The breaks helped him refocus, think outside the manuals and return with a fresh pair of eyes) Can others "empathize" w/ this scenario?
He wound up doing a first rate job on this one, but it really challenged his skill and attention to all details in the process. I think he went home early that day to chill out with his favorite adult beverage. GRIN
Swez
PS Since he was the Head Tech and on salary, time and money for this job were not an issue. Doing it well and right were his goals. I commended him the next day for such a strong work ethic and the results. He just grinned and said... "Yeah, that was a car from hell and I was glad it turned out so well. I hope I never see another one like it and that this one never comes back for any troubleshooting problems later!" LOL
cplkittle on 02/15/2008 16:21:08
I just browsed the install rates from the link above...
These guys look like they have covered their rear pretty well. The rear speaker install price is higher because in some hondas, you have to take out the rear seat (2 pieces) the trim on either side, then the rear deck cover. MAJOR P.I.T.A.!!
Our prices were generally 1/2 to 3/4 what they charged.
Replies (10)
cplkittle on 02/12/2008 14:29:35
I never really liked PAC products. It is the proper integration module for your vehicle. Here is the information I found online. It is a cut and paste from the address pasted below. Read the last line of the product information:
http://www.driveinautosound.com/browseproducts/PAC-0S2.html
OnStar Interface for Class 2 non-Bose vehicles.
Data Link Controller chip (DLC) designed for GM's Class 2 data bus.
Safe & Sound Class 2 circuitry will not disable vehicle data bus even if interface loses power.
Keep active OnStar on even when the key is removed and the door is opened.
LED and Ignition on LED for visual indication.
Provides +12v switched accessory output.
Smart Sense Mute output.
Retains door chimes when used with optional CM1 chime module.
SQLThump on 02/12/2008 17:40:14
Wow, a seperate module for the door chimes? Thats pretty weak.
I seroiusly must be the only person on Earth who hates door chimes, I pulled the fuse that controls them, and locks my doors automatically every time I put the car in drive. About the most annoying feature I have ever had in my 7 vehicles, and more than happy to see it gone.
swez on 02/13/2008 18:04:31
And not a cheap package either. Think it's like $80.00 retail for that stupid feature to remain in tact. They bypass the OEM chime set and use a separate module with its own speaker for the chimes and audibles.
Look at the labor rates these guys charge for various install needs too:
http://www.driveinautosound.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=37
Swez
SQLThump on 02/14/2008 03:35:47
Man, I would never pay that! But it makes my life more profitable, last few installs, I sent my customer to the most expensive place in town, told him to get an estimate of all the work, and from there, cut the price directly in half.
He was very pleased with the deal, and I was very pleased that CarToys is so damned overpriced. Everybody made out great, he has a better quality stereo installation than the hackjobs install there, at a better price, and I made a great profit!
swez on 02/14/2008 05:51:50
That's the whole point.... see what shops charge locally and cut the install price by 30% and make a good profit for doing things we are good at and enjoy to the max.
Another aspect for the DIY'er, we learn as we do things ourselves. We know where every wire and fuse is located. That makes troubleshooting much easier later. If something slips out of sync later, we know where to look first and save some nice duckets for better quality gear and hardware too.
Swez
SQLThump on 02/14/2008 06:10:03
Yeah, people are liking it. Fortunately, the shops charge so much around here that I can undercut them 50% and still make more than comfortable profit. Sending in the customer to draw up their own estimate at the shop, so they know I'm not naming my own price, and then slaching it makes for some great customer satisfaction too. Certian people, like my next door neighbor, are still on a "six pack" install charge basis. These guys need to be a free cut above just to keep the cul-du-sac hoppin!
cplkittle on 02/14/2008 08:08:45
Keep in mind that even though they do charge alot, they are always there to gurantee their work. You are responsible for your work, and if you begin to dabble with alarms or remote starts, there is always the risk of tearing up something expensive. Our local circuit city popped the airbags in a new mercedes ( all 6 of them ), while installing a bluetooth hands free kit. Personally I have no clue how you could trigger the airbags on something that simple.
In remote starts, you are more likely to dabble with the steering column wiring harness. Also, on some vehicles, if the second ignition is not powered in the start process, it could damage the automatic transmission.
Stay away from mercedes and bmw, and you should not have too many problems.
SQLThump on 02/14/2008 17:39:30
Oh, yeah, I don't mess with things like remote starts and alarms, and definitely do not work with anything german, except older ones. Even VW's are getting past my comfort levels lately.
Maybe the Short Circuit City boys should have disconnected the battery ground before starting any projects!
swez on 02/15/2008 10:21:53
That's hoot Kit! I wonder how much that major blunder cost the store manager to replace all 6 airbags?
After observing a skilled tech installing an alarm and remote starter system on a fully equipped Caddy, it was evident that unskilled hands do not belong in this game. Even at his level of experience, he had to break out all the manuals, make a few calls to Tech Support and the job took a solid 4 hours of total concentration.
I just watched periodically, did not say a word unless he initiated a comment and most of his comments were RANT words we cannot use on this site either. (You could just feel the tension as he worked it all out) There were a few moments so tense, I suggested we go out back for a smoke break and have a few laughs. He gladly accepted that offer a few times in the process. (The breaks helped him refocus, think outside the manuals and return with a fresh pair of eyes) Can others "empathize" w/ this scenario?
He wound up doing a first rate job on this one, but it really challenged his skill and attention to all details in the process. I think he went home early that day to chill out with his favorite adult beverage. GRIN
Swez
PS Since he was the Head Tech and on salary, time and money for this job were not an issue. Doing it well and right were his goals. I commended him the next day for such a strong work ethic and the results. He just grinned and said... "Yeah, that was a car from hell and I was glad it turned out so well. I hope I never see another one like it and that this one never comes back for any troubleshooting problems later!" LOL
cplkittle on 02/15/2008 16:21:08
I just browsed the install rates from the link above...
These guys look like they have covered their rear pretty well. The rear speaker install price is higher because in some hondas, you have to take out the rear seat (2 pieces) the trim on either side, then the rear deck cover. MAJOR P.I.T.A.!!
Our prices were generally 1/2 to 3/4 what they charged.
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