I found this on another forum and wonder if any here wish to lead this fellow to a successful install? What's wrong with this picture?
Quote:
To start, I purchased two (2) Pyramid Imperial 1200w peak 12" woofers a while back. I bought them purely because they were cheap and looked neat (yes, I know its stupid), however, I, finally, hooked them up to a friends system and they made his JBL's sound like absolute crap. They beat harder, responded quicker, and just provided better sound.
So I gathered up a little bit of money and decided to finish the previously proposed installation. I have since bought two replacement kick panels in order to house two 6.5 inch Pyramid 620GX's. I also bought two Pyramid 6950GX's for the rear which will be placed (yet to be determined because I want to preserve the interiors originality) somewhere in the rear (most likely wear 6x9's are usually placed). The subs will go in the trunk, and will be powered by a Blitz Audio 2 Channel, 1600w amp (model#BZA2460), with the 6x9's, the 6.5's, and the two tweeters all being powered by a Blitz Audio 4 Channel, 1400w amp (model#BZA4260). The Head Unit will be the Boss Audio In-dash CD/DVD/CD-R player (model#BV6800). Also I have a 500k (whatever that means) Scosche capacitor. All wiring will be Scosche.
So in review:
Head Unit - Boss Audio BV6800
Amplfiers - Blitz Audio BZA2460, and Blitz Audio BZA4260
Subwoofers - (2) Pyramid Imperial 1200w 12" PW12290
Speakers - (2) Pyramid 6950GX, (2) Pyramid PW29 tweeters, (2) Pyramid 620 GX.
Capacitor - 500k Scosche
Wiring - Scosche
All that being said I have a few questions:
1. Is there any website or link that will have a generic, or detailed, description of what I need to do in order to make this work; basically meaning how to connect the amps to the battery (I have all the wiring/fuses). Im pretty sure I know how to connect one amp up but I have no idea how to connect two.
2. Am I going to be able to use the 4 channel amp to power all the smaller speakers (the total wattage of the 6 speakers adds up to 400(6x9)+400(6x9)+150 (tweeter)+150(tweeter) +240(6.5")+240(6.5)=1580w total. I'm not planning on turning the volume up that loud ever but who knows.
3. Will I be able to use the tweeters and 6.5's like a component system without having to buy the little box thing? If so, how will I connect the tweeters, 6.5's and 6x9's (6 total connections, with only 4 channels being available)
4. Will I be able to still use the stock radio, but also use the upgraded one, possibly adding a switch or something to go back and forth between the two for car shows and whatnot, or even just being able to use them both at the same time. And if THATS possible how do I connect both units to the whatever power source is powering them.
5. I'm planning on using the cap on the subwoofer amp only, however, is it capable of storing power for both? If so, how is this connection made?
6. Will I need to upgrade the alternator? It is currently powering the normal, stock components of the car. I can not find the model # or any other information, besides the brand (Motorcraft), on it, its not on the casing, and I don't have the box(sorry, I know this first part of the question is probably unanswerable). Also, the current one uses an alternator regulator, can I remove that, or buy a different one that is a higher rating, to compensate, instead of buying an entire new alternator? Or can I buy another battery and make a connection so that the alternator is powering both batteries?
7. Do you see any other problems I might encounter?
I'm sorry for the length of this, but Ive spent nearly all the money Ive earned so far this summer on this system and I really want it to work well, look professionally done, sound great, and not burn any more holes in my pockets.
I'm also having a ton of trouble trying to find accurate specs for the Pyramid subs, such as recommended Cu3 for a sealed enclosure. Plus, there is barely enough room in the trunk for the only recommendation I did find which was 1.5 Cu3. However, this spec was written on a rinky-dink website that I'm not sure is credible.
If pictures are needed for whatever reason email me at cavallo_13@msn.com with the "Subject" being "MUSTANG".
Engine Specs for the vehicle:
1965 Mustang Coupe (Produced in California)
200ci straight-6 coupled to a 3 speed cruise-o-matic
ANY questions whatsoever please feel free to e-mail me.
Thank you in advance,
Skyler Cavallo
Replies (9)
ttocs on 07/4/2007 10:21:42
he is lookin to put all that in a 65? Sorry swez but if somebody is gonna take the time to put a system in a 65 its gonna need to be worth the time to install it........
Step 1.) dig out the receipts........
30Hertz on 07/4/2007 14:12:19
I agree completely.
Step 2: Return said equipment, if receipts are not available see 2a.
2a: Bring equipment to swap meet, sell equipment at swap meet and save cash for worth while system. If no swap meet available, douse equipment with gasoline, light said equipment on fire and enjoy the show. If gasoline is not available, buy sledge hammer and safety glasses. Proceed to beat said equipment to a pulp. Dispose of remains and save cash for worth while system.
Victor on 07/4/2007 15:39:16
I am in complete agreement of the above stated comments....
Teach this guy some Car Audio before doing any project for him....
If you do seem to take it up without educating him then he sure is going to be a torturing PITA....
forget any benifits from installing for such a guy.....Its a total waste of time money and energy, especially your skills...
and if you think you can get this guy to do a wild install where you can do a wonderful satisfactory job only then it would be worth educating this guy...
Sorry thats a shrewd Car Audio businessman that talks sometimes rather than a car audio enthusiast...
I hope i didnt hurt any of you fellow car audio fanatics...am one of you but sometimes i really give up on my patience when i come accross such guys...
Victor...
swez on 07/4/2007 15:59:31
I invited him to come here if he's like to learn and maybe pull it off with the skills and talents available here. Here's my initial comments to his plight. Fortunately, I am not taking on this project as none could pay me enough to make this worth the while.
Quote: "A very good job outlining your gear and stated goals here. I like this approach and few do it this well.
This is a huge step on a sweet vintage car. It can be done with a great deal of patients, attention to details and considerable input from people who know mobile sound very well.
To be very frank, the quality of gear purchased and noted in this post are NOT high end audio products. These are pretty much the low end of the barrel in price, performance and available detailed info will be scant at best.
However, since this is what you have to work with, this presents an opportunity to prove a well known train of thought... "A good install is 80% technique and know how, 20% gear used".
May I invite you to a different site that is well supported by Pro Install Techs, avid car audio buffs and a few good generlists.
http://www.clubknowledge.com/cgi-bin/car_audio_faq/faq.cgi?1
This project is likely to give you and the folks who try to sort this all out w/ you, a good deal of heartburn. Why? The research of specs and key feature details on these brands are hard to find. All of these products are notorious for greatly overstating the performance of their products, offer minimal product support on the Internet and useful details are often lost in hype.
Can it be done? Yes, but....
Will it be easy? Definitely Not...
Can one expect above average results in the end? Hard to say...
Will the stock ALT/BAT support all this extra gear? Nope... some costly upgrades are imminent
Finally, I don't enjoy bringing bad news to newbies. It's very hard for any good tech to see this product list, the vehicle of choice and a drained wallet scenario come into a new game and hope to pull off above average results. We often feel like magician's being asked to make gold out of scrap lead. That's a tall order friend. This is sorta like putting the cart before the horse with a twist... Here, the horse is in the cart and the horse is lame! Now what huh?
Swez
PS Do you have the install and operations manuals for the HU, amp and speakers/subs? These hold key info to what the gear can do and how to use it as designed. Without them, it's a real hit or miss game of trial and error. (Especially with sub enclosures, HU features, wiring configurations and control functions)
Again, sorry to bring such difficult news to you now, but at least you know what's ahead... a challenging install, lots of web hunting for key details and lots of hard work to pull it off well."
big_bass_chase on 07/4/2007 23:43:06
*Be sure you have plenty of extra fuses, Im sure you'll need them!
swez on 07/5/2007 11:48:21
Hehe, looks like none want to take on this guys' plan either. I sure don't either.
As a hard-nosed business man said earlier.... if they made their bed, let them sleep in it. (Especially if there is no $$$ on the table for all the extra support and efforts)
I feel for this guys' plight, but wish not to get involved either.
Swez
Ender2 on 07/5/2007 14:18:16
I'd be willing to at least inform this guy of what he would need to do, which is learn quite a bit, and perform an almost total revamp.
I wasn't so far from him not too long ago; so I can understand his situation. And ironically enough I was pretty close to buying a 65 pony car myself.
I'd say his biggest problem is that he has no real concept of figuring out just how much power his equipment WILL ACTUALLY use. He's just plugging in peak power for everything and is going to regret it in the end.
swez on 07/5/2007 15:44:44
This is so true and if you wish to "splain it" to him, you know the other site we frequent and you'll find him there.
There's a big difference here too Ender... you came for options before diving it headlong into the abbiss and we worked things out for the better. When a guy does that, I am willing to lead them along as they research doable options and have reasonable expectations and funds to accomplish the task.
However, when a guy goes out on his own lack of knowledge, (Ignorance) buys a lot of marginal gear and then expects others to make it happen for him... that's a bit too much to ask w/o offering some reasonable compensation for their time, talents and experience he will need.
Frankly, I am pretty certain that a talented installer could pull this one off in time. But we often learn more by making a few mistakes and dealing with the consequences now, then going our merry way and hoping someone will pull a few rabbits out of a hat.
FYI: Look at your own learning curve Ender. See how far you have progressed since we first met some time ago. You took an active role in researching your path, making a few minor mistakes and then figured out you needed a little help to take things to the next level. Those are very good steps and now you have enough background to help others. That's what it's all about mang. SMILE
Swez
Victor on 07/5/2007 16:10:47
I dont even see a point discussing this guy anymore...
Victor..
Quote:
To start, I purchased two (2) Pyramid Imperial 1200w peak 12" woofers a while back. I bought them purely because they were cheap and looked neat (yes, I know its stupid), however, I, finally, hooked them up to a friends system and they made his JBL's sound like absolute crap. They beat harder, responded quicker, and just provided better sound.
So I gathered up a little bit of money and decided to finish the previously proposed installation. I have since bought two replacement kick panels in order to house two 6.5 inch Pyramid 620GX's. I also bought two Pyramid 6950GX's for the rear which will be placed (yet to be determined because I want to preserve the interiors originality) somewhere in the rear (most likely wear 6x9's are usually placed). The subs will go in the trunk, and will be powered by a Blitz Audio 2 Channel, 1600w amp (model#BZA2460), with the 6x9's, the 6.5's, and the two tweeters all being powered by a Blitz Audio 4 Channel, 1400w amp (model#BZA4260). The Head Unit will be the Boss Audio In-dash CD/DVD/CD-R player (model#BV6800). Also I have a 500k (whatever that means) Scosche capacitor. All wiring will be Scosche.
So in review:
Head Unit - Boss Audio BV6800
Amplfiers - Blitz Audio BZA2460, and Blitz Audio BZA4260
Subwoofers - (2) Pyramid Imperial 1200w 12" PW12290
Speakers - (2) Pyramid 6950GX, (2) Pyramid PW29 tweeters, (2) Pyramid 620 GX.
Capacitor - 500k Scosche
Wiring - Scosche
All that being said I have a few questions:
1. Is there any website or link that will have a generic, or detailed, description of what I need to do in order to make this work; basically meaning how to connect the amps to the battery (I have all the wiring/fuses). Im pretty sure I know how to connect one amp up but I have no idea how to connect two.
2. Am I going to be able to use the 4 channel amp to power all the smaller speakers (the total wattage of the 6 speakers adds up to 400(6x9)+400(6x9)+150 (tweeter)+150(tweeter) +240(6.5")+240(6.5)=1580w total. I'm not planning on turning the volume up that loud ever but who knows.
3. Will I be able to use the tweeters and 6.5's like a component system without having to buy the little box thing? If so, how will I connect the tweeters, 6.5's and 6x9's (6 total connections, with only 4 channels being available)
4. Will I be able to still use the stock radio, but also use the upgraded one, possibly adding a switch or something to go back and forth between the two for car shows and whatnot, or even just being able to use them both at the same time. And if THATS possible how do I connect both units to the whatever power source is powering them.
5. I'm planning on using the cap on the subwoofer amp only, however, is it capable of storing power for both? If so, how is this connection made?
6. Will I need to upgrade the alternator? It is currently powering the normal, stock components of the car. I can not find the model # or any other information, besides the brand (Motorcraft), on it, its not on the casing, and I don't have the box(sorry, I know this first part of the question is probably unanswerable). Also, the current one uses an alternator regulator, can I remove that, or buy a different one that is a higher rating, to compensate, instead of buying an entire new alternator? Or can I buy another battery and make a connection so that the alternator is powering both batteries?
7. Do you see any other problems I might encounter?
I'm sorry for the length of this, but Ive spent nearly all the money Ive earned so far this summer on this system and I really want it to work well, look professionally done, sound great, and not burn any more holes in my pockets.
I'm also having a ton of trouble trying to find accurate specs for the Pyramid subs, such as recommended Cu3 for a sealed enclosure. Plus, there is barely enough room in the trunk for the only recommendation I did find which was 1.5 Cu3. However, this spec was written on a rinky-dink website that I'm not sure is credible.
If pictures are needed for whatever reason email me at cavallo_13@msn.com with the "Subject" being "MUSTANG".
Engine Specs for the vehicle:
1965 Mustang Coupe (Produced in California)
200ci straight-6 coupled to a 3 speed cruise-o-matic
ANY questions whatsoever please feel free to e-mail me.
Thank you in advance,
Skyler Cavallo
Replies (9)
ttocs on 07/4/2007 10:21:42
he is lookin to put all that in a 65? Sorry swez but if somebody is gonna take the time to put a system in a 65 its gonna need to be worth the time to install it........
Step 1.) dig out the receipts........
30Hertz on 07/4/2007 14:12:19
I agree completely.
Step 2: Return said equipment, if receipts are not available see 2a.
2a: Bring equipment to swap meet, sell equipment at swap meet and save cash for worth while system. If no swap meet available, douse equipment with gasoline, light said equipment on fire and enjoy the show. If gasoline is not available, buy sledge hammer and safety glasses. Proceed to beat said equipment to a pulp. Dispose of remains and save cash for worth while system.
Victor on 07/4/2007 15:39:16
I am in complete agreement of the above stated comments....
Teach this guy some Car Audio before doing any project for him....
If you do seem to take it up without educating him then he sure is going to be a torturing PITA....
forget any benifits from installing for such a guy.....Its a total waste of time money and energy, especially your skills...
and if you think you can get this guy to do a wild install where you can do a wonderful satisfactory job only then it would be worth educating this guy...
Sorry thats a shrewd Car Audio businessman that talks sometimes rather than a car audio enthusiast...
I hope i didnt hurt any of you fellow car audio fanatics...am one of you but sometimes i really give up on my patience when i come accross such guys...
Victor...
swez on 07/4/2007 15:59:31
I invited him to come here if he's like to learn and maybe pull it off with the skills and talents available here. Here's my initial comments to his plight. Fortunately, I am not taking on this project as none could pay me enough to make this worth the while.
Quote: "A very good job outlining your gear and stated goals here. I like this approach and few do it this well.
This is a huge step on a sweet vintage car. It can be done with a great deal of patients, attention to details and considerable input from people who know mobile sound very well.
To be very frank, the quality of gear purchased and noted in this post are NOT high end audio products. These are pretty much the low end of the barrel in price, performance and available detailed info will be scant at best.
However, since this is what you have to work with, this presents an opportunity to prove a well known train of thought... "A good install is 80% technique and know how, 20% gear used".
May I invite you to a different site that is well supported by Pro Install Techs, avid car audio buffs and a few good generlists.
http://www.clubknowledge.com/cgi-bin/car_audio_faq/faq.cgi?1
This project is likely to give you and the folks who try to sort this all out w/ you, a good deal of heartburn. Why? The research of specs and key feature details on these brands are hard to find. All of these products are notorious for greatly overstating the performance of their products, offer minimal product support on the Internet and useful details are often lost in hype.
Can it be done? Yes, but....
Will it be easy? Definitely Not...
Can one expect above average results in the end? Hard to say...
Will the stock ALT/BAT support all this extra gear? Nope... some costly upgrades are imminent
Finally, I don't enjoy bringing bad news to newbies. It's very hard for any good tech to see this product list, the vehicle of choice and a drained wallet scenario come into a new game and hope to pull off above average results. We often feel like magician's being asked to make gold out of scrap lead. That's a tall order friend. This is sorta like putting the cart before the horse with a twist... Here, the horse is in the cart and the horse is lame! Now what huh?
Swez
PS Do you have the install and operations manuals for the HU, amp and speakers/subs? These hold key info to what the gear can do and how to use it as designed. Without them, it's a real hit or miss game of trial and error. (Especially with sub enclosures, HU features, wiring configurations and control functions)
Again, sorry to bring such difficult news to you now, but at least you know what's ahead... a challenging install, lots of web hunting for key details and lots of hard work to pull it off well."
big_bass_chase on 07/4/2007 23:43:06
*Be sure you have plenty of extra fuses, Im sure you'll need them!
swez on 07/5/2007 11:48:21
Hehe, looks like none want to take on this guys' plan either. I sure don't either.
As a hard-nosed business man said earlier.... if they made their bed, let them sleep in it. (Especially if there is no $$$ on the table for all the extra support and efforts)
I feel for this guys' plight, but wish not to get involved either.
Swez
Ender2 on 07/5/2007 14:18:16
I'd be willing to at least inform this guy of what he would need to do, which is learn quite a bit, and perform an almost total revamp.
I wasn't so far from him not too long ago; so I can understand his situation. And ironically enough I was pretty close to buying a 65 pony car myself.
I'd say his biggest problem is that he has no real concept of figuring out just how much power his equipment WILL ACTUALLY use. He's just plugging in peak power for everything and is going to regret it in the end.
swez on 07/5/2007 15:44:44
This is so true and if you wish to "splain it" to him, you know the other site we frequent and you'll find him there.
There's a big difference here too Ender... you came for options before diving it headlong into the abbiss and we worked things out for the better. When a guy does that, I am willing to lead them along as they research doable options and have reasonable expectations and funds to accomplish the task.
However, when a guy goes out on his own lack of knowledge, (Ignorance) buys a lot of marginal gear and then expects others to make it happen for him... that's a bit too much to ask w/o offering some reasonable compensation for their time, talents and experience he will need.
Frankly, I am pretty certain that a talented installer could pull this one off in time. But we often learn more by making a few mistakes and dealing with the consequences now, then going our merry way and hoping someone will pull a few rabbits out of a hat.
FYI: Look at your own learning curve Ender. See how far you have progressed since we first met some time ago. You took an active role in researching your path, making a few minor mistakes and then figured out you needed a little help to take things to the next level. Those are very good steps and now you have enough background to help others. That's what it's all about mang. SMILE
Swez
Victor on 07/5/2007 16:10:47
I dont even see a point discussing this guy anymore...
Victor..
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