EXCITEMENT
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/tc9.jpg
grabbed a pair of TC-9s for 330shipped
GRIN GRIN GRIN GRIN
-Drew
Replies (82)
30Hertz on 05/28/2007 21:52:02
Cool....I've heard mixed reviews about TC Sounds. Let me us know your experience with em.
newB on 05/29/2007 11:15:42
i will.
the only issue im having is whether they are dual 4ohm or dual 3ohm coils
-Drew
swez on 05/29/2007 11:32:21
That's a very good price for a pair of subs with the features and quality that is evident in that picture. Do you have a link to the specs and other information on this brand?
Swez
newB on 05/29/2007 18:41:28
http://www.tcsounds.com/tc9.htm
input would be greatly appreciated.
i dont as much about these drivers as i would like to. it was a little on the impulsive side although ive had my eyes on these for some time.
when you look at the page, the listed vc config. is dual 4. but the wiring diagram at the bottom, and in a select place or two it mention dual 3.
if you can make sense of it that would save me some serious time and effort seeing as my bxi1606 is only rated down to 1ohm and dual 3 in parellel is .75ohm
-Drew
swez on 05/29/2007 19:49:08
Advanced high excursion soft part system TC-9 Sub
• High excursion 8.0" linear roll poly-cotton spider
• Intergraded woven leads to prevent lead-slap
• 3" diameter, 4-layer copper wire voice coil with an anodized aluminum former
• Dual 3.0Ù (4 ohm nominal) voice coil configuration
• Lightweight brushed and powder coated aluminum cone
• 1" wide long throw, highly durable NBR surround
• High quality thermal flexible epoxies to ensure longevity
Performance
• Effective motor force of 140 Newtons2 per watt (BL2/Re)
• 800 watts continuous power (2400 watts peak)
• 18mm BL XMax (voice coil, one-way)
• 37mm XMech (mechanically limited, one-way)
From what I read here and other places in the site, these look like dual 4 ohm drivers. The wiring diagram calls them out as 3 ohms per coil. But that's the DC resistance value only!!!
Also, when looking at the Res spec of 5.96 ohms, this suggests the DC resistance of each coil in series. This suggests these are 4 ohm DVC's. This quoted detail mentions that this in the following specification notes:
Quote:
Wiring: "More configurations may be available depending on the number of amplifiers and/or drivers. The impedance given is the DC resistance which is the measurable resistance of the circuit while the driver(s) are rest. The nominal impedance, or the load the amplifier will see while in operation, will be higher than the DCR by factor depending on the frequency. You can safely add 30% to the DRC for the estimated nominal impedance."
I don't like doing copy/paste details on this site and neither does Walter. However, since TC Sound site does not list copy right protection on details contained on their web site, I'll risk it as this is critical to your decision.
In a nutshell, I read these as 4+4 DVC subs. TCS confirms that in several specs off their website. It's a gamble I would be willing to take and buy/try them. The net ohmic load will be about 1 ohm with all 4 coils wired in parallel. (Regradless of the wiring diagram shown)
Swez
newB on 05/29/2007 23:46:23
WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO
that makes me feel so much better.
GRIN GRIN GRIN GRIN
now i dont have to worry about getting .75 and melting the amp!
i plan on getting a clean 1600rms out of it to the pair.
hopefully i'll have the new battery before they get here to support it
-Drew
swez on 05/30/2007 07:23:52
Yeah, with a sub amp like that, (HiFonics bxi1606 and using a pretty strong 4 channel full range amp to keep up with the bass, you'll need all the power help you can muster. Plan on a "Big 3" wiring upgrade if you have not done it yet.
Dave
newB on 05/30/2007 16:41:05
for me its big5 in 0ga.
with a temp. red top
the weakest link now is the stock 75amp alt
-Drew
swez on 05/30/2007 23:22:11
Oh yeah... this is asking a lot from such a modest power supply... 75A ALT and your getting about 60% of that at idle speeds too. Have you looked about for say a 200A H.O. ALT of late?
FYI: Stock electricals systems only allow for about 30% more power then the vehicle needs to operate all factory devices. In this case, that amp alone, demands more current than the entire vehicle system. Sooner or later, something has to give or change.
Invest in your ride now and enjoy, rather then repair things that cannot take the load and crap out at the least opportune times.
Swez
newB on 05/31/2007 02:26:34
yeah. im thinking of testing it in parellel and seeing how it sounds, then dropping to series till i can work out a decent alternator and battery. i'm also considering a way to have two terminals per box. when i plug into the first set, it is in series, and the second in parellel. but not sure if the extra wires attached to the sub would effect it even if they dont lead anywhere.
just ideas
thanx swez
-Drew
swez on 05/31/2007 10:03:43
This is where Barrier Strips come in handy. The come in several sizes and wire gage configurations. This allows one to adjust sub wiring configurations externally and on the fly as needed. Here's what they look like and using two x 5's per sub would be good, and perhaps a single 3 pair would be nice to make things a bit less confusing:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=090-844
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=090-842
One has 5 pairs of connectors per strip. Using a pair of them would allow you to wire each DVC coils set externally and then use jumper wires as needed to join both subs if desired. We only have 2 small holes to seal the wires from each internal sub this way. The 3 paired strip can be added for wiring amp line to each sub externally.
Now, here's the brain teaser... show me how to wire them in any confiuration you wish.
These are rated at 20 amps which translates to ~1000 watts continous power.
Dave
newB on 05/31/2007 12:15:21
now like the bolts i would much rather run to a hardware store and just pick some up for that price. would this be found in electronics in a hardware shop or more of a radio-shack/electronics shop?
-Drew
swez on 05/31/2007 13:32:44
Radio Shack used to carry the small, low current jobs. However, the larger ones you may want to consider would best be found at an electrical supply store like Grainger or similar. (Professional Electrician supply stores mostly)
Frankly, depending on where you live, PE is a great place to buy stuff online or over the phone. They are excellent at customer service, technical support and ship fast too. Why waste expensive gas and time looking for hen's teeth? Request a full line catalog and browse it for ideas. The catalog is free and you'll get fliers on sale items when they come out too. Their prices are very reasonable on most things as they buy in huge lots or at deep discounts.
Dave
BTW, what part of the country are you from?
newB on 05/31/2007 14:54:24
lil'ol me?
Sacramento California.
GRIN
-Drew
swez on 05/31/2007 15:07:20
OK, way out there in the far west USA. (Marooned in Detroit, MI at the moment.... a different kind of desert)
Do you use any IM chat services like Yahool Messanger or Skype at the moment? (VOIP) If yes, would like to chat sometime if you like. It seems like we have several common interests and such. If you wish, contact me at: swezdp@yahoo.com and we can discuss whatever comes to mind. (That is, if you desire more 1-on-1 mentoring/friend) Up to you as the offer is on the table.
Have a great week and a better weekend!
Dave
PS I appreciate your humility and humanity. SMILE
30Hertz on 05/31/2007 16:08:11
newB, I'm from Cali also. San Luis Obispo is where I'm at now but my home town is Fresno.
I might be heading up to Sac for 3 days in the near future to help out a buddy on a different forum to attend to do alot of glasswork in his Chevy Astro.
Maybe we can meet up sometime and exchange notes or chat, whatever. Also my best friend moved up to Sac for his business so I'll be up there frequently. I''m also working on saving the cash for another SPL setup so I'll probably be back and forth between Sac and LA for dB drag and IASCA drags.
-30
newB on 05/31/2007 18:54:32
hey that sounds great!
i sometimes feel "out of the loop" in the local audio industry here because 90% of my box customers are either here in my HS or somewhere around the country. a good convo and sharing of ideas would be a refreshing change!
im actually south of sacramento, in fairfield. but i am more than willing to make the drive and meet up somewhere.
and if anyone wants to chat i'm on AIM most the time
saxwonder05
or Yahoo msger sometimes
saxophonewonder2002@yahoo.com
^^ also my email
GRIN
-Drew
newB on 05/31/2007 18:56:24
OH YEAH made me forget!
i just got the TC9s in today. have not had the chance to drop them in the car or take pics because nobody is home yet. but i will asap. just examining them they look BEEFY.
i cant describe the excitment of dropping in my first serious sub/amp combo
-Drew
30Hertz on 05/31/2007 19:20:57
LoL ive got another buddy that lives in Fairfield. Wow Small world
newB on 06/1/2007 00:55:02
alright- so i got the new subs in.
(pre install pix)
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/167447207_554041727_0.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/167442687_554025569_0.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/167442783_554025924_0.jpg
i used the kappa in the pictures to give an idea of how big they are. width, and height alike.
they sound wonderful. crisp and accurate on the highs, very punchy and hard in the mids and big and fat on the lows.
oh yeah- and they get loud
TWO HOURS after putting them in. i got pulled over and a ticket for excessive noise.
=/
-Drew
swez on 06/1/2007 06:43:20
Wait until the subs break in for a few days and they'll get lower and sound even fatter.
Noise ticket huh? I wish they enforced that one a little better around my neighborhood. It is soooo annoying when I am outside in the garage/shop after 10:00 PM and some clown comes boomin down the street.
Yes, I have my radio on low and just turn off the subs after 9:00 PM and all doors and windows are shut tight, but I can still hear this dummy from a block away.
BTW, I was at the local 7-eleven last summer when some brother from the hood pulls up in this old PU truck and leaves his system boomin in the parking area as he goes in for some Pucker. This other guy and I were outside talking and he was pretty drunk already... as soon as the bro came out to his truck, this other white guy rips the poor guy a new sphincter orifice. I just walked back to my car and went home.
Talk about road rage? This was a case of parking lot rage... LOL
"Liquor reveals what the heart conceals". So true huh?
Swez
PS Sorry about your ticket... but with this kind of power, comes a good deal of responsibility too.
newB on 06/4/2007 00:44:19
hahaha love that line.
ive seen that. seems popular with the gangsters in my area.
they roll into small shops or gas stations and leave the car on and full blast.
why?
WHY??
and those punks that think turning it up at night annoy me 2.
common freak'n courtesty seriously.
i love car systems and what they can do but that doesnt change how mad i get when someone sits outside my house (gangster family accross the street) and just blasts.
ah
-Drew
newB on 06/4/2007 00:45:03
btw my ticket was at 6pm cruising (not at a light) down a fairly large city street.
-Drew
swez on 06/4/2007 08:10:43
Hehe... I had an altercation with a 16 year old lad next door about 2 months ago. I helped him install a medium powered Kenwood amp and a single 12 in his Ranger PU truck. This thing pounded pretty good in a small truck too. I also gave him several friendly warnings about boomin his new toy in the driveway. He agreed, but has the attention span of a soggy peanut. (Typical 15/16 year old I guess... but I just rolled with it and remained calm and direct about this when it became an issue... maybe 8-10 chats w/ him over a 3 month span)
He was not a bad kid yet, but heading down a slippery slope though as I noted his buddies and homies were some pretty obnoxious and rough talkin gangsta wanna-bees.
One night, I was watching TV haft dosing and just relaxing in my room when he pulled up between our house and turned up the bass for like 10 minutes. I had a long day and just wanted to chill in peace and quiet. He dialed back for a few minutes to talk with his Mom at the side door and I heard pretty much every word they said as my windows were open. (10 feet away from my window)
Then, he turned up the bass again and started banging away like it was no big deal at 9:30 PM. That was the last straw!!! I got up and shouted a clear warning that I did not appreciate his bad behavior and would gladly come over and "FIX" his sub for good if he continued same bad behavior.
Then, his Mom chimed in her dim-witted comments and I told her a thing or three as well. Admittedly, I was not a calm, peace-making Christian guy at that moment. (Yeah, I reached my limits and then some)
The best news however, is that they have since moved and the new neighbors are great. No more gangsta wanna-bees on the block and no more boom car crap either. I was dancin' on my roof as they packed up the moving van and left for good.
A nice couple with 2 small babies and a large dog that loves to voice his opinions when outside, have now moved in. I can handle a barking dog or crying babies and easily tune them out.
Now, (after asking their permission) I have a good stock of big doggie biscuits on hand and when he barks, I go to the fence with bones in hand and say... NO BARK! When he stops barking, he gets the bones and shuts up for a while.
How cool is that?
Swez
PS Yes, it takes all kinds to make the world go round. Fortunately we now have a quiet neighborhood again. All the gangstas and drugies were pushed out. I may be the only noisy apple left. But after 9:00 PM, I shut off the subs and dial back on my music while putzing around in my garage/shop. If any neighbors ask for a change in this behavior, I will gladly comply.
It's interesting to be in the garage with all doors and windws shut and maybe 95dB of music going on inside. It's not that loud inside the garage. However, when I go out to the driveway and listen from say 30-50 feet or so, that bass really travels on a quiet night. That was my clue to shut off the subs after 9:00 PM. I like all kinds of music except Hip-Hop and Rap. Country music does have a lot of low, long bass tones and they really carry. The same can be noted on some Jazz cuts I like.
Anyway, will stop rambling now and let others take a shot at things.
How do you like the new TC-9's?
newB on 06/4/2007 12:10:11
the tc9s are beasts.
i came to the conclusion.
that there is no reason anyone in their right mind would want a car with this much bass!
i dont know what i was getting myself into! haha
music has interesting qualities purely becuase of how diverse it is. for instince, the "bay" rap in my area is actually pretty good.
it is gangster rap, but with melodic bass lines and background music with more substance then most rap ive heard.
on the jazz front, if you get an extra minute look for a series of CDs called "hidden beach recordings presents, Unwrapped vol. 1-4"
very intersting blend of jazz and urban music. and they take typical popular songs, add the jazz, and give the bass line an edge.
(unwrapped gangsters paradise is 1,0000x better than the original)
i'll post some pix and a vid of the TC9s in action soon
-Drew
swez on 06/4/2007 13:33:22
OK, I'll see if I can get an ear on a few tracks. If you have a CD burner and would not mind making a copy of a few of these cuts, I'd be happy to demo them. My private e-mail is: swezdp@juno.com
Happy banging dude. It looks like Ender2 may be looking very closely at your TC-9's for his next install. Where did you get them at such a nice price?
Swez
PS I just listened to Coolio and Stevie Wonder's versions of G-Paradise and actually liked both. Coolio does a nice job with his version. I like the light string synth, subtle bass track and very good vocal backups on the chorus lines. Not bad at all...
The rap lines are a bit repetitive, but tolerable... "As I walk through the valley of the shadow of Death" is an interesting line he uses. That's a line from the Bible... Psalm 23: v 4 I also found a video on YOUTUBE and watched his intensity. This man has a message and could turn it into a mission to help others break free of the ghetto gangsta lifestyles. I wonder if he's got the goods to pull that one off?
Ender2 on 06/4/2007 14:42:21
Swez, I can't even begin to express how funny your analysis of Gangster's Paradise was. Trying looking of the lyrics for Trillville - Some Cut.
That's a song I listen to. :D
BTW,
http://www.tcsounds.com/tc9.htm#diy
lists their 12"s at $158 per sub? Or am I crazy? That's $316 and probably another $40 shipped? As good a deal as Drew?
newB on 06/4/2007 15:25:03
hahah pricing includes shipping.
mine was 338 shipped.
grab'm while they still have them in stock!!!
straight from TCsounds at that price is a bargin!
=D
swez-
here is a sample from their myspace page.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=36535510
the CDs are amazing
i put it in a car setup for good SQ and <3d every moment
-Drew
swez on 06/4/2007 15:28:25
What can I say... I try to look for the good in all people. It's in there, but life and one's situations can sure dull the senses or sharpen our resolve to make better on the past choices. (Just look at Paris Hilton... wonder how she'll change after a few weeks in the slammer?) I am willing to bet she'll come out a changed bad girl and maybe turn into a great woman with a totally new attitude. (Rich kid brats don't take well to incarseration)
OK, so maybe Coolio's a bad... bad... now, but he ain't no dummy either. Sooner or later one gets tired of running the fast life and from the good inner man. If one lives long enough, perspectives change and so does bad behavior. I can attest to that.
NEXT... yeah, a very good price on those subs Ender. Like I said before, the market is soft and shrinking. We can expect some solid discounts on new brand products that are just coming into the market. The big name brands may not discount much, but the new comers will have to come in low to get some market share and brand recognition.
Now is a good time to take full advantage of newer and emerging companies w/cutting edge products.
Swez
newB on 06/4/2007 15:31:16
GRIN
good'ol swez and his infiniate knowledge
-Drew
newB on 06/5/2007 02:17:46
ok update.
im driving today and pushing them moderately hard.
enough to get loud but not enough to kill my voltage if that means anything.
and i notice they're not hitting very sharp, and sound funny.
so i reach back and they're on the verge of being considered "hot"
my question would be
1) is this normal and ok
2) is there a way to better cool my subs.
(computer fans mounted in the box?)
-Drew
swez on 06/5/2007 08:44:07
Was reading a few items a while back on Class D subs and low ohmic loads. This one stated that there is indeed a good deal of heat generated by these loads and amps.
Also, these subs are 7.5" deep and need some rooms at the back of the magnet to draw air into the vent hole. The minimum space needed is 1x the vent diameter from any blockage. If you have 2" or more, that should be good.
The last thought, some subs are shipped with plastic plugs in the rear vent. If yours had them, they need to be removed before installing the sub for use.
Swez
newB on 06/5/2007 18:47:00
so the bad news is that there is plenty of room and the vent hole is clear.
=(
hm.
its not THAT bad yet
we'll see
-Drew
swez on 06/5/2007 22:54:44
Hummm, keep an eye on these subs as it may be normal that they run a bit hot. Better still, call your TC-9 Rep and explain the details and see how they field that one.
Swez
newB on 06/8/2007 04:44:04
VID 1
http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/?action=view¤t=MVI_8627.flv
VID 2
http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/?action=view¤t=MVI_8626.flv
PIX 1-3
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/IMG_8621.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/IMG_8619.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/IMG_8617.jpg
enjoy
-Drew
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/8/2007 21:04:22
Wow! thos videos are sick! the cell phone pretty much says it all. Good jam too. That deep bass sounded like it was gonna blow my little comp. speakers!
newB on 06/9/2007 00:12:12
thanx!
i want 30 to get up here after i drop a new alt and bat.
BTW how low can my voltage be b4 i have to worry???
-Drew
30Hertz on 06/9/2007 00:37:43
Looks good Drew, Nice work on the enclosure! Do you get any port noise?
I 4get, how many watts you running to those?
Once I get my Brahma in, I might be able to make a road trip and we can kick back. Maybe I can get my Term Lab by then and we can see how many dB ur kickin. =)
-30
newB on 06/9/2007 01:03:40
that would be awesome!!!!
i have 1600 to the pair b4 voltage drop
im not sure if it because the way i file the ports but i just never get any! (weird i know)
so yeah. ive wanted to get on a mic for a while but dont have the time (maybe soon) to hit up a local comp and havnt asked the shops (and im sure they charge)
so yeah. that would be awesome!!
-Drew
newB on 06/9/2007 10:24:32
UPDATE
you'll all love this.
so i'll cut the elaborate version involving my parents not picking my car up from the school like we planned. you know, things come up.
sober grad night 1300$+ and three years of work was lost.
involved 3+ people that planned the whole thing WAY a head of time.
='(
-Drew
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/9/2007 12:02:44
Man, that sucks. I really feel for you man. I have been a victim of similar incidents too many times in the past, and it really kills to lose not only your stuff, but more importantly all the hard work you place in your project to know some slime is gonna profit off it.
If you don't mind me asking, what happened. You can refrain from that too if you wish. Sometimes disbelief alone is enough to make a person not want to say anything...
newB on 06/9/2007 18:57:28
sober-grad-night
it was supposed to be picked up as soon as i left, but you know- something came up. so it was there when most the senior class was out, it was a perfect situation that i knew would be dangerous, hense the plans.
it was planned, probably months in advance. they came with all the right allen, phillips equipment and one of those trunk popping tools.
I WISH the ****ers would have beaten out a window. those can easily be replaced. instead they hammer'd out the body right behind the drivers door and went at it with a crow bar.
then pulled my door panels off (broke all the mounting hardware) and took the interiors and 6x9s.
its just crappy. i found all my crap and their equipment laying there (including the hammer on the drivers seat and latex gloves)
then i also found my CDs strewn accross the field behind the shubin bldg.
looks like they walked a good distance, im thinking 3 people at the least to make it in one trip.
im not as worried about the monetary value. im more pissed off because of the countless hours of work ive put into it over the last three years. i payed for every strand of copper wire, and every mounting screw working part time on weekends and after school.
='(
-Drew
30Hertz on 06/9/2007 19:20:21
Damn man, that REALLY sucks. Especially since you JUST got that stuff in and wangin.
Did you bump it at school? Or anywhere near your place of residence or around the campus? Who have you shown the car to that knew exactly what equipment was inside and where it was placed? To be honest, sounds like an inside job if they knew exactly who you were, where you would be and what equipment was inside the car. Also, my guess is something scared them if they left the rubber gloves inside the vehicle along with the tools used to do the crime.
I really hope you filed a police report. With the $$ value so high, they might be able to possibly get some finger prints from inside the gloves but I seriously doubt it. I hope you also had full insurance on the car and not just liability.
Did you have any sort of alarm on the car? Doesnt mean they wont still break in, but it is another distraction that they have to deal with and might get away with less.
I'm sure your parents feel horrible knowing it probably could have been prevented had they come and picked up the car as per plan.
Sorry for your loss
-30
newB on 06/9/2007 20:10:34
it sucks
mucho balllllz
i'll post something big when i get home
i have another grad thing i have to rush back to.
let me know if anybody has old interiors or other unused equipment!
im looking for some cheap stuff to get tunes.... eventually get "back on my feet"
that system one day. two 3yr old sony xplods the next.
='(
-Drew
swez on 06/9/2007 22:15:47
Wow... talk about being in the wrong place at the right time. Man, I feel for ya because of all the hard work you did on your rig.
I agree that it was definitely someone who knew exactly what you had and the proper tools to get things out. Maybe someone in wood shop that has been watching you work things out and had a very good look at everything that was done.
Insurance will generally not cover aftermarket add on unless you have rider policy specific to this gear. That means serial #'s, all purchase receipts and an alarm system. Some will even require a Professional Installers paper work.
This makes me sick to know guys who do such great work and have it snatched by a few boneheads that are too lazy to build and by their own gear. (Know many "Crack Heads" in this school?) That would be the first guys I'd be looking at. The police are not going to do anything here.... even though this is grand theft, it's not on most police top ten list and some may be glad it's gone and ignore you.
Swez
PS My condolence to your lost children.
newB on 06/10/2007 00:47:39
thanks swez it means a lot
i really only have one option....
build another- bigger, better, more powerful.
AND in a better car.... GRIN
im taking it very well, and have an amazing amout of support.
i could get 20+ people with baseball bats within the hour. willing to draw blood for that system. its bitter sweet- the impact ive had on local audio, and then the thanx i get from these "crack heads".
i have several people also offering their entire system for me till i can find money for my own..... =D but i would feel to selfish
-Drew
30Hertz on 06/10/2007 01:16:38
And then if it got ripped off...you'd owe them money!
Sorry, had to say it though GRIN
-30
newB on 06/10/2007 04:02:37
haha shut it! GRIN
whatever goes in that car next will be practicly perminent.
i'll see to it........
-Drew
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/10/2007 10:28:50
One idea i read somewhere to keep theives kinda hurtin is to use different sizes and types of screws when possible. Imagine being a thief, and a sub is screwed in with 2 sizes of phillips head, some flatheads, allen heads and torx heads. A little more work for them, a nightmare for a thief.
Was your enclosure taken or damaged?
P.S. Need to borrow my AK?? MAD
newB on 06/10/2007 15:42:20
yeah i can use that AK!!!
haha i'm checking ebay and craigslist now.
the enclosure was built in trunk and because they knew everything about my system the knew it was pointless trying to take it.
;D
and i had a mix of allens and phillips on my subs.
obvsiously they were prepared
-Drew
newB on 06/11/2007 17:35:36
i had them for 9 days
-Drew
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/12/2007 04:40:27
At least some samage was minimized. When I build my next estup, they gonna need a whole arsenal of screwdrivers and drill bits to even think about pulling my subs.
I also plan to do a semi bandpassed enclosure with a couple of plexi walls complete with crazy screw configurations to get to amps and subs.
I've been jacked twice, and it all boiled down to hanging with the wrong crowd and my own stupidity. When my car got stolen I left it running, and I had it for two weeks when that happened. they found it all the way at the other end of the state all messed up 2-3 months later. They were using it in burgularies when they recovered it.
Do you know for a fact who did it? Get the hammer and things checked for prints, ect? Maybe you can get somebody hemmed up in the legal system. I'd almost rather be shot........
newB on 06/12/2007 04:53:32
well...
i have a friend ive been helping out.
he either did and and is covering it or was in the wrong place at the wrong time
he claimed to "miss the bus" but he told people that when they were on their way to the senior trip themselves, and they didnt miss it. then he was heard saying that he was waiting for everybody to leave so he can take a trip into san fran
if he jacked the three cars then booked it to san fran im SOL. i'll never see them again
plus the trail of my stuff accross the field amost literally leads to his front door
(they took my CD holder and all the CDs. then as they carried my stuff accross the field (towards his house) the threw all the cds they didnt like on the ground (making a trail to the gate to the road in front of his house))
the blame game IS NO JOKE and im in no position to make any accusations
-Drew
Victor on 06/12/2007 09:30:26
you need a design on a complete fibreglass BP encl, no plexi windows no screwing.. its completely packed, and once fabricated there is no way to reach the sub to steal it....
no access to the sub also means you cant reach the sub urself too when u need it..
but usually well tuned BP encls dont allow over excursion cause of the springing properties of the sealed Vr of the BP encl......
a one time fibreglass enclosure,, you change the sub or remove the sub will have to cut it and then again re-bond it if you cut it well, or just make a new enclosure....
just the tuned ports are seen from outside... no one can make out the brand of your subs as an expensive one and steal it... cool looking and BP performance too.
comments...?
Victor...
swez on 06/12/2007 10:54:11
I'd have to say your "so called helper friend" was indeed in on this one. The trick is to get enough proof and then get the police involved.
This could be considered Grand Theft or Grand Larceny. This may be considered a felony, depending on the amount of money that was involved and the jurisdiction rules in your state or community.
Read up on this as it may help you press the issue with the local police force:
http://library.findlaw.com/1999/Mar/4/126733.html
Swez
newB on 06/12/2007 14:25:30
sorry for the language. i cut and paste from another forum.
i think i will approch him soon. when the oppurtunity presents itself. i dont want to rush into any acusations but the more i explain the story the more it convinces me that he was involved, little things like him being the only one taking no interest in my car and its damage make me wonder.
i doubt the cops can do anything in this. if it was him its all sold in san fran and besides MAYBE a fingerprint with no record i dont know what else i can get on him. besides a confessoin.
ive been thinking about the bandpass idea.
i was thinking 6th order band pass, i play'd around on winisd and i really liked some of the response curves the 6th order BP had. and if i can 90% assembe out of the trunk then bolt two pieces together in the trunk and finish with fiberglass. 1) they have no access to the subs and 2) cant get the box out of the trunk.
very difficult to steal. and im thinking of good hiding places for the amps..... GRIN
-Drew
newB on 06/12/2007 14:29:00
oh yeah and i forgot to mention this thing called karma.
i said in a fairly stong influence in the local area- even though ive only been here one year and have only worked on high school cars. since my robbery ive gotten amazing support from the local community things like being offered full interior sets from some people ive installed for, and from some i havnt.
then one of my best customers is getting a "save A3" movement going to buy me a replacement set of TC9s (which actually looks like it may happen) and to top it all off the guys at RD audio are sending me a free Classic 10 inch woofer which will work perfect for my DCTT box design.
GRIN GRIN GRIN GRIN
-Drew
swez on 06/12/2007 19:37:13
Ya know what Drew, I think you are onto something here.
It's not so much about the loss of your gear, but look at the people you have helped over time and how they are responding. When we invest in other peoples lives, many times... good things do come back to us as/when we need it too.
Some call it Karma, others will say we reap what we sew and so on. But the basic principle here is simple... When one extend a hand to others, others will often extend a hand to others in return when a need is presented.
I cannot tell you how many times I have witnessed this "Law of Reciprosity" in action. Meaning, we do good for/to others because we can and are willing and are just wired to give to others. Then, time goes by and something falls apart in our lives. When other hear of it, they come to help in whatever manner they are able. This happens on CK's site all the time. (It's amazing to watch too)
Have you ever noticed that "good people" will alway rise to the opportunity when they see a need they can meet?
Conversely "selfish/needy people" just look out for #1 and look for opportunities for gain at the expense of others. Ever notice that going on around you? I sure have.
Anyway, will stop rambling and just watch as good things unflold in this little drama. I think it will turn out good later and you'll have a great story to share in the future. SMILE In the circles I track with, it's called "turning a misery into a message".
Swez COFFEE
newB on 06/12/2007 20:04:07
the all wise swez.
always a pleasure reading your self proclaimed "rambling"
we'll see how this plays out. as a gag my parents are sending my message as a sob story to pimp my ride, but thats more for kicks anyways. and i think i will confront him soon.
of course CK will be updated
-Drew
swez on 06/12/2007 21:08:55
May I suggest a "Word Picture" format when you talk to this 'possible perp'? Word pictures are stories that confront others with a message of conviction. If one is guilty and sees the impact it has on another, they will often fess up and try to make things right again. (Assuming one has that sort of character to begin with) Knowing right from wrong specifically.
It's done best in third party verbage rather than using I, Me, Mine, Yours or You statements. Since we don't have all the facts just yet, a straight out confrontation may produce open hostility or denial and if he is not part of this, he'll resent you. However, if he is a part of it and you are able to bring him to a level of personal conviction, then appropriate action can be taken if he does indeed admit his participation.
Think about it a bit more before launching a full scale assult. If you need some ideas on how to craft such a "Word Picture" story, maybe there are a few guys here that can help out. I'll think it over too and see what comes to mind.
Swez
jamesp on 06/12/2007 21:17:51
newB on 06/13/2007 01:46:50
yeah i'll be smart about it. im not one to rush into a situation like this unprepared. i think honesty will be key here. nothing hostile, and if he denies everything then there is nothing i can do.
ahh...
it sucks.
we'll see
-Drew
30Hertz on 06/13/2007 14:42:20
To bad I wasnt up there to talk to him. I'm certified through the same group of professionals that train the FBI Agents on Interviewing (getting information from a person not willing to give it up right away by asking questions, reading bodylanguage, remarks etc etc.).
Start asking him questions that he would give an honest answer to 1st. Example- How are you liking it in ___________? How long have you been there now? Do you have any family there? If yes, who?
By asking questions that a person will answer honestly, you get a good chance to read the persons response time, bodylanguage, cognitive thinking location (are they looking to the left, or right, up or down while recalling actual memories or information).
Then after you've got that down, you can ask him a feeler question like, "So have you heard about what happend to my car? If yes, What exactly did you hear? If No, Tell him. Take note of his body language while talking to him. Is he shifty? Sweaty? Jittery?
The more questions you ask, that arent right out accusing him, the better. Just make sure your getting feedback from him. Whether its body language, or his responses. The mind when confronted with a delima shows outward signs of distress that are subconcious. Within the mind the fight or flight is battling with the cognative brain and deciding whether to lie, tell the truth, or run. On the outside you see this by the bodylanguage and his responses to questions.
Just try to remain Unbiased as you can (I know how hard it is) and keep it open and honest.
Or you can jus go balls to the walls...Whatever fits the situation.
-30
newB on 06/13/2007 15:13:09
i like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i will definatly note his body language and look for a change, his first impression was not good, he avoided me and avoided the subject all together then left the place without telling anyone.
i just need to find a way to get into contact with him now that school is out
-Drew
30Hertz on 06/13/2007 15:20:43
Also, if your gut feeling is telling you its him, I'd forward that information to the Local PD thats handling the case. While its not murder or rape, the equipment loss (if over $450) is Grand Theft in the state of California. On top of the damage to the car they might look into the particular person. Most auto theft cases go unsolved for the mere fact there arent any suspects or witnesses.
-30
newB on 06/13/2007 17:04:27
i'll call that magical number they gave me on the card.
good look'n out.
i didnt know it was as low as 450$
-Drew
swez on 06/13/2007 17:34:15
There ya go... the human polygraph test approach is a good idea. The lips can lie, but the mind and body usually won't w/o showing some signs of distress.
One thought here... 30 Hz is well trained in such things and it may take some careful observation skills and focus to get a quality read. One thing most folks will avoid when lying, is direct eye contact. Some people are just wired to avoid direct eye contact even when talking casually w/ friends.
I had a former buddy who used to be a pretty straight up guy. Then, he got divorced, started doing Crack and Coke to cope. He came to my house one night to chat and said and did a few things that gave me a real gut check.
When I asked a few simple questions, he was relaxed and focused. Then I started asking some deeper, probing questions, his body language gave it all away in a matter of seconds. Then he got so stressed out, he went up stairs and smoked some Crack in the bathroom and denied that as well. I showed him the door.
It's strange how we can think we know someone well for many years and hang out and do projects together w/o knowing the real guy behind the mask. I watched him go from a mild-mannered and very likable guy, to a whack job, nut case I could not trust, in a matter of months.
Sure we all have a few quirks and things we'd rather not admit to. But when one adds crime, drugs and alcohol into the mix, the real inner face will emerge.
You made a great point there 30 Hz. CLAP I would take that advice to the bank. Man, you'd make a great cop or detective. I hope you get your chance someday.
Swez
newB on 06/13/2007 17:50:11
CLAP
x2
-Drew
newB on 06/15/2007 21:38:50
www.tamperproof.com
why didnt i see this weeks ago??????
-Drew
swez on 06/15/2007 22:48:26
Funny you mention that type of hardware. I was shopping at a local store today and had to make a pit stop while shopping. As I looked at the hardware used is the men's room, I saw this as an option too. Sadly, I thought about your situation and guess what... if your friends knew you used this type of hardware, they'd be handy on having the right tools to strip your ride too.
This hardware is a good deterent to the average "Joe", but not one w/ intimate knowledge of your specific install.The tools are easy to find and any can buy them as needed.
FYI: The cable/phone box on my home uses these screws too. I had no difficulty defeating them and gaining access to the phone jacks for an outline phone to my shop. The tools I used were not uncommon, but they worked fine all the same.
No, I will not tell you how I did so, but it was not a be-all-end-all deterent to my plans. I did not have to buy any special tools or modify any exsisting tools either. It was not illegal to add an additional line as I had done. But waiting for a tech to do it was just a PITA. So, I did it on my own.
FYI: A determined person can work around most hardware options if they have the desire and know-how to do so.
Swez
PS Sorry to burst your bubble, but to the common thief, this is a good deterent. I am not/never a thief, but resourseful enough to come up with a McGiever solution when needed. No, it's not that difficult and persistence and creativity solved that one.
PSS I have since removed the line to my shop as I don't want to be bothered while working in same. If I need to make a call, I use a cell phone now. (Case closed)
newB on 06/16/2007 00:45:09
i'm thinking several of these, along with philips and standard screws should be pretty good. but maybe just stick with the 6th order BP box design.
we'll see
i will definately buy these though.
-Drew
ps. you thought of me in a mens dressing room???
kinda happy im 2000 miles away
JK JK
newB on 06/16/2007 00:48:03
OH YEAH i forgot- damage and random pictures...
burt kappa perfect vs. wal-mart special airsoft gun
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/DSC00457.jpg
Door Damage when they force themselves in
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/DSC00460.jpg
my pimp new door panels
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/DSC00461.jpg
the void where my amp SHOULD be
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/DSC00462.jpg
the most bitter iorny of it all
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/DSC00463.jpg
its gone
-Drew
Victor on 06/16/2007 02:34:03
definitely very sad pictures for a true car audio enthusiasts... apart from the monetary loss this comes as a great shock when one comes to know that all the hardwork , planning and time put into a system to plan install and tweak all goes down the drain.
next time you install , wether u use simple screws or some complex ones, just take care you either do it all by yourself or with a trustworthy friend...
Victor..
swez on 06/16/2007 04:14:05
Nice work they did on your ride Drew. That sucks real bad. MAD
Have you files a police report and contacted you insurance carrier about the loss and damages yet?
Swez
newB on 06/16/2007 22:47:34
i filed the police report an hour after i found it. and insurance doesnt cover it.
=(
i had a dream last night i saw my subs in someones car and then beat them up for it, really bad to. first real raw anger emotion since it happened
-Drew
swez on 06/17/2007 00:40:10
Anger is a very appropriate response to such a violation. Anger is an energy we need when we have been crapped on and drives us to take appropriate steps to resolve the injustice.
However, "blind rage" is not appropriate. (Understandable, but not advised) This is a very destructive form of energy and that's what puts normally good people in jail after a fit of rage is acted out. (Don't go there)
Even if you did find your subs in another guys car, he may be totally unaware they are stolen. I take it you have all your serial numbers written down if these do show up locally right? (Yes, these can be defaced too)
FYI: When you do replace your gear, etch new ID numbers in a well hidden place that only you will know about. (A few digits of your Driver's Lic #) That way, if the S/N's are defaced, you have a backup way to prove they did belong to you. THINK
Swez
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/17/2007 09:42:53
Drew...Gotta question.
I know you modified your trunk hinges, how did that work. I see the picture of how your trunk looks open (SICK!!!) and wonder how it gets to the open position.
Second, do these make it to where you don't need 6 to 60,000 inches of clearance under the subs? I want to do a false wall in my trunk, but can't figure what to to about clearing the trunk hinges without having them on the side of the wall want airtight.........
30Hertz on 06/17/2007 14:40:27
Take off the lid and the hinges. Bust out the MIG welder and throw back on the trunk,,,welt it shut GRIN
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/17/2007 15:53:55
Kinda defeats the purpose of the sexy lookin false wall.......
Thought of that before, when I blew my trunk latch apart with an old Infinity sub I had. Decided to crawl through the backseat and tie her shut with speaker wire. One tight squeeze. GRIN
newB on 06/17/2007 22:54:08
well i just used gate hindges from wal-mart that costed me 4$
im not changing the trunk arms at all- just changing how the lid is bolted to the arms (through the hindge)
if you want to run a 1/2 wall into the interior its a neat little trick. but if your running a 1/2 wall towards the truck i wouldnt recomend it, the seal isnt nearly as good as it was stock.
but suprisingly the bad guys never took advantage of the weak spot in the trunk assembly.
-Drew
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/18/2007 20:07:27
Dude, I could be just a little too tired today, or just slow, but I don't think I am catching what your saying here
Definitely want to run the false wall into the interior, I want a fully airtight "resonating chamber to put a pair of ported boxes in and mount my amps in there, and from there put a port through my rear deck so no effiency is lost through the trunk. Also, the nice little breeze created by the ports would cool the amps somewhat.
But all of this is a LOOOONG way off, I have no budget for new bumps any time soon. I'm thinkin a pair of Infinity Reference 12" and a nice Alpine amp. If I can find another amp the same as my upper ranger, I will stick with it, and use the identical one for realr fill. If not, I have a lot more planning to do.....but I got plenty of time for this.
I may build the chamber and chuck my existing subs back there just to free up some major cabin space that is taken up by my Huge BP box. My stuff sounds way nasty with it in the trunk, I tried it for like 10 minutes once when I was bored.
newB on 06/19/2007 00:46:28
i can post pix soon if you'd like.
yes building a 1/2 wall inside the car and dampen it like crazy this method will work (thats how i have mine see numorous pix/vids)
i'll update with detailed pix as soon as possible. which sucks because the hindges are falling apart and commong of the trunk lid-so hopefully you'll have more luck than i did
-Drew
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/tc9.jpg
grabbed a pair of TC-9s for 330shipped
GRIN GRIN GRIN GRIN
-Drew
Replies (82)
30Hertz on 05/28/2007 21:52:02
Cool....I've heard mixed reviews about TC Sounds. Let me us know your experience with em.
newB on 05/29/2007 11:15:42
i will.
the only issue im having is whether they are dual 4ohm or dual 3ohm coils
-Drew
swez on 05/29/2007 11:32:21
That's a very good price for a pair of subs with the features and quality that is evident in that picture. Do you have a link to the specs and other information on this brand?
Swez
newB on 05/29/2007 18:41:28
http://www.tcsounds.com/tc9.htm
input would be greatly appreciated.
i dont as much about these drivers as i would like to. it was a little on the impulsive side although ive had my eyes on these for some time.
when you look at the page, the listed vc config. is dual 4. but the wiring diagram at the bottom, and in a select place or two it mention dual 3.
if you can make sense of it that would save me some serious time and effort seeing as my bxi1606 is only rated down to 1ohm and dual 3 in parellel is .75ohm
-Drew
swez on 05/29/2007 19:49:08
Advanced high excursion soft part system TC-9 Sub
• High excursion 8.0" linear roll poly-cotton spider
• Intergraded woven leads to prevent lead-slap
• 3" diameter, 4-layer copper wire voice coil with an anodized aluminum former
• Dual 3.0Ù (4 ohm nominal) voice coil configuration
• Lightweight brushed and powder coated aluminum cone
• 1" wide long throw, highly durable NBR surround
• High quality thermal flexible epoxies to ensure longevity
Performance
• Effective motor force of 140 Newtons2 per watt (BL2/Re)
• 800 watts continuous power (2400 watts peak)
• 18mm BL XMax (voice coil, one-way)
• 37mm XMech (mechanically limited, one-way)
From what I read here and other places in the site, these look like dual 4 ohm drivers. The wiring diagram calls them out as 3 ohms per coil. But that's the DC resistance value only!!!
Also, when looking at the Res spec of 5.96 ohms, this suggests the DC resistance of each coil in series. This suggests these are 4 ohm DVC's. This quoted detail mentions that this in the following specification notes:
Quote:
Wiring: "More configurations may be available depending on the number of amplifiers and/or drivers. The impedance given is the DC resistance which is the measurable resistance of the circuit while the driver(s) are rest. The nominal impedance, or the load the amplifier will see while in operation, will be higher than the DCR by factor depending on the frequency. You can safely add 30% to the DRC for the estimated nominal impedance."
I don't like doing copy/paste details on this site and neither does Walter. However, since TC Sound site does not list copy right protection on details contained on their web site, I'll risk it as this is critical to your decision.
In a nutshell, I read these as 4+4 DVC subs. TCS confirms that in several specs off their website. It's a gamble I would be willing to take and buy/try them. The net ohmic load will be about 1 ohm with all 4 coils wired in parallel. (Regradless of the wiring diagram shown)
Swez
newB on 05/29/2007 23:46:23
WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO
that makes me feel so much better.
GRIN GRIN GRIN GRIN
now i dont have to worry about getting .75 and melting the amp!
i plan on getting a clean 1600rms out of it to the pair.
hopefully i'll have the new battery before they get here to support it
-Drew
swez on 05/30/2007 07:23:52
Yeah, with a sub amp like that, (HiFonics bxi1606 and using a pretty strong 4 channel full range amp to keep up with the bass, you'll need all the power help you can muster. Plan on a "Big 3" wiring upgrade if you have not done it yet.
Dave
newB on 05/30/2007 16:41:05
for me its big5 in 0ga.
with a temp. red top
the weakest link now is the stock 75amp alt
-Drew
swez on 05/30/2007 23:22:11
Oh yeah... this is asking a lot from such a modest power supply... 75A ALT and your getting about 60% of that at idle speeds too. Have you looked about for say a 200A H.O. ALT of late?
FYI: Stock electricals systems only allow for about 30% more power then the vehicle needs to operate all factory devices. In this case, that amp alone, demands more current than the entire vehicle system. Sooner or later, something has to give or change.
Invest in your ride now and enjoy, rather then repair things that cannot take the load and crap out at the least opportune times.
Swez
newB on 05/31/2007 02:26:34
yeah. im thinking of testing it in parellel and seeing how it sounds, then dropping to series till i can work out a decent alternator and battery. i'm also considering a way to have two terminals per box. when i plug into the first set, it is in series, and the second in parellel. but not sure if the extra wires attached to the sub would effect it even if they dont lead anywhere.
just ideas
thanx swez
-Drew
swez on 05/31/2007 10:03:43
This is where Barrier Strips come in handy. The come in several sizes and wire gage configurations. This allows one to adjust sub wiring configurations externally and on the fly as needed. Here's what they look like and using two x 5's per sub would be good, and perhaps a single 3 pair would be nice to make things a bit less confusing:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=090-844
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=090-842
One has 5 pairs of connectors per strip. Using a pair of them would allow you to wire each DVC coils set externally and then use jumper wires as needed to join both subs if desired. We only have 2 small holes to seal the wires from each internal sub this way. The 3 paired strip can be added for wiring amp line to each sub externally.
Now, here's the brain teaser... show me how to wire them in any confiuration you wish.
These are rated at 20 amps which translates to ~1000 watts continous power.
Dave
newB on 05/31/2007 12:15:21
now like the bolts i would much rather run to a hardware store and just pick some up for that price. would this be found in electronics in a hardware shop or more of a radio-shack/electronics shop?
-Drew
swez on 05/31/2007 13:32:44
Radio Shack used to carry the small, low current jobs. However, the larger ones you may want to consider would best be found at an electrical supply store like Grainger or similar. (Professional Electrician supply stores mostly)
Frankly, depending on where you live, PE is a great place to buy stuff online or over the phone. They are excellent at customer service, technical support and ship fast too. Why waste expensive gas and time looking for hen's teeth? Request a full line catalog and browse it for ideas. The catalog is free and you'll get fliers on sale items when they come out too. Their prices are very reasonable on most things as they buy in huge lots or at deep discounts.
Dave
BTW, what part of the country are you from?
newB on 05/31/2007 14:54:24
lil'ol me?
Sacramento California.
GRIN
-Drew
swez on 05/31/2007 15:07:20
OK, way out there in the far west USA. (Marooned in Detroit, MI at the moment.... a different kind of desert)
Do you use any IM chat services like Yahool Messanger or Skype at the moment? (VOIP) If yes, would like to chat sometime if you like. It seems like we have several common interests and such. If you wish, contact me at: swezdp@yahoo.com and we can discuss whatever comes to mind. (That is, if you desire more 1-on-1 mentoring/friend) Up to you as the offer is on the table.
Have a great week and a better weekend!
Dave
PS I appreciate your humility and humanity. SMILE
30Hertz on 05/31/2007 16:08:11
newB, I'm from Cali also. San Luis Obispo is where I'm at now but my home town is Fresno.
I might be heading up to Sac for 3 days in the near future to help out a buddy on a different forum to attend to do alot of glasswork in his Chevy Astro.
Maybe we can meet up sometime and exchange notes or chat, whatever. Also my best friend moved up to Sac for his business so I'll be up there frequently. I''m also working on saving the cash for another SPL setup so I'll probably be back and forth between Sac and LA for dB drag and IASCA drags.
-30
newB on 05/31/2007 18:54:32
hey that sounds great!
i sometimes feel "out of the loop" in the local audio industry here because 90% of my box customers are either here in my HS or somewhere around the country. a good convo and sharing of ideas would be a refreshing change!
im actually south of sacramento, in fairfield. but i am more than willing to make the drive and meet up somewhere.
and if anyone wants to chat i'm on AIM most the time
saxwonder05
or Yahoo msger sometimes
saxophonewonder2002@yahoo.com
^^ also my email
GRIN
-Drew
newB on 05/31/2007 18:56:24
OH YEAH made me forget!
i just got the TC9s in today. have not had the chance to drop them in the car or take pics because nobody is home yet. but i will asap. just examining them they look BEEFY.
i cant describe the excitment of dropping in my first serious sub/amp combo
-Drew
30Hertz on 05/31/2007 19:20:57
LoL ive got another buddy that lives in Fairfield. Wow Small world
newB on 06/1/2007 00:55:02
alright- so i got the new subs in.
(pre install pix)
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/167447207_554041727_0.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/167442687_554025569_0.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/167442783_554025924_0.jpg
i used the kappa in the pictures to give an idea of how big they are. width, and height alike.
they sound wonderful. crisp and accurate on the highs, very punchy and hard in the mids and big and fat on the lows.
oh yeah- and they get loud
TWO HOURS after putting them in. i got pulled over and a ticket for excessive noise.
=/
-Drew
swez on 06/1/2007 06:43:20
Wait until the subs break in for a few days and they'll get lower and sound even fatter.
Noise ticket huh? I wish they enforced that one a little better around my neighborhood. It is soooo annoying when I am outside in the garage/shop after 10:00 PM and some clown comes boomin down the street.
Yes, I have my radio on low and just turn off the subs after 9:00 PM and all doors and windows are shut tight, but I can still hear this dummy from a block away.
BTW, I was at the local 7-eleven last summer when some brother from the hood pulls up in this old PU truck and leaves his system boomin in the parking area as he goes in for some Pucker. This other guy and I were outside talking and he was pretty drunk already... as soon as the bro came out to his truck, this other white guy rips the poor guy a new sphincter orifice. I just walked back to my car and went home.
Talk about road rage? This was a case of parking lot rage... LOL
"Liquor reveals what the heart conceals". So true huh?
Swez
PS Sorry about your ticket... but with this kind of power, comes a good deal of responsibility too.
newB on 06/4/2007 00:44:19
hahaha love that line.
ive seen that. seems popular with the gangsters in my area.
they roll into small shops or gas stations and leave the car on and full blast.
why?
WHY??
and those punks that think turning it up at night annoy me 2.
common freak'n courtesty seriously.
i love car systems and what they can do but that doesnt change how mad i get when someone sits outside my house (gangster family accross the street) and just blasts.
ah
-Drew
newB on 06/4/2007 00:45:03
btw my ticket was at 6pm cruising (not at a light) down a fairly large city street.
-Drew
swez on 06/4/2007 08:10:43
Hehe... I had an altercation with a 16 year old lad next door about 2 months ago. I helped him install a medium powered Kenwood amp and a single 12 in his Ranger PU truck. This thing pounded pretty good in a small truck too. I also gave him several friendly warnings about boomin his new toy in the driveway. He agreed, but has the attention span of a soggy peanut. (Typical 15/16 year old I guess... but I just rolled with it and remained calm and direct about this when it became an issue... maybe 8-10 chats w/ him over a 3 month span)
He was not a bad kid yet, but heading down a slippery slope though as I noted his buddies and homies were some pretty obnoxious and rough talkin gangsta wanna-bees.
One night, I was watching TV haft dosing and just relaxing in my room when he pulled up between our house and turned up the bass for like 10 minutes. I had a long day and just wanted to chill in peace and quiet. He dialed back for a few minutes to talk with his Mom at the side door and I heard pretty much every word they said as my windows were open. (10 feet away from my window)
Then, he turned up the bass again and started banging away like it was no big deal at 9:30 PM. That was the last straw!!! I got up and shouted a clear warning that I did not appreciate his bad behavior and would gladly come over and "FIX" his sub for good if he continued same bad behavior.
Then, his Mom chimed in her dim-witted comments and I told her a thing or three as well. Admittedly, I was not a calm, peace-making Christian guy at that moment. (Yeah, I reached my limits and then some)
The best news however, is that they have since moved and the new neighbors are great. No more gangsta wanna-bees on the block and no more boom car crap either. I was dancin' on my roof as they packed up the moving van and left for good.
A nice couple with 2 small babies and a large dog that loves to voice his opinions when outside, have now moved in. I can handle a barking dog or crying babies and easily tune them out.
Now, (after asking their permission) I have a good stock of big doggie biscuits on hand and when he barks, I go to the fence with bones in hand and say... NO BARK! When he stops barking, he gets the bones and shuts up for a while.
How cool is that?
Swez
PS Yes, it takes all kinds to make the world go round. Fortunately we now have a quiet neighborhood again. All the gangstas and drugies were pushed out. I may be the only noisy apple left. But after 9:00 PM, I shut off the subs and dial back on my music while putzing around in my garage/shop. If any neighbors ask for a change in this behavior, I will gladly comply.
It's interesting to be in the garage with all doors and windws shut and maybe 95dB of music going on inside. It's not that loud inside the garage. However, when I go out to the driveway and listen from say 30-50 feet or so, that bass really travels on a quiet night. That was my clue to shut off the subs after 9:00 PM. I like all kinds of music except Hip-Hop and Rap. Country music does have a lot of low, long bass tones and they really carry. The same can be noted on some Jazz cuts I like.
Anyway, will stop rambling now and let others take a shot at things.
How do you like the new TC-9's?
newB on 06/4/2007 12:10:11
the tc9s are beasts.
i came to the conclusion.
that there is no reason anyone in their right mind would want a car with this much bass!
i dont know what i was getting myself into! haha
music has interesting qualities purely becuase of how diverse it is. for instince, the "bay" rap in my area is actually pretty good.
it is gangster rap, but with melodic bass lines and background music with more substance then most rap ive heard.
on the jazz front, if you get an extra minute look for a series of CDs called "hidden beach recordings presents, Unwrapped vol. 1-4"
very intersting blend of jazz and urban music. and they take typical popular songs, add the jazz, and give the bass line an edge.
(unwrapped gangsters paradise is 1,0000x better than the original)
i'll post some pix and a vid of the TC9s in action soon
-Drew
swez on 06/4/2007 13:33:22
OK, I'll see if I can get an ear on a few tracks. If you have a CD burner and would not mind making a copy of a few of these cuts, I'd be happy to demo them. My private e-mail is: swezdp@juno.com
Happy banging dude. It looks like Ender2 may be looking very closely at your TC-9's for his next install. Where did you get them at such a nice price?
Swez
PS I just listened to Coolio and Stevie Wonder's versions of G-Paradise and actually liked both. Coolio does a nice job with his version. I like the light string synth, subtle bass track and very good vocal backups on the chorus lines. Not bad at all...
The rap lines are a bit repetitive, but tolerable... "As I walk through the valley of the shadow of Death" is an interesting line he uses. That's a line from the Bible... Psalm 23: v 4 I also found a video on YOUTUBE and watched his intensity. This man has a message and could turn it into a mission to help others break free of the ghetto gangsta lifestyles. I wonder if he's got the goods to pull that one off?
Ender2 on 06/4/2007 14:42:21
Swez, I can't even begin to express how funny your analysis of Gangster's Paradise was. Trying looking of the lyrics for Trillville - Some Cut.
That's a song I listen to. :D
BTW,
http://www.tcsounds.com/tc9.htm#diy
lists their 12"s at $158 per sub? Or am I crazy? That's $316 and probably another $40 shipped? As good a deal as Drew?
newB on 06/4/2007 15:25:03
hahah pricing includes shipping.
mine was 338 shipped.
grab'm while they still have them in stock!!!
straight from TCsounds at that price is a bargin!
=D
swez-
here is a sample from their myspace page.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=36535510
the CDs are amazing
i put it in a car setup for good SQ and <3d every moment
-Drew
swez on 06/4/2007 15:28:25
What can I say... I try to look for the good in all people. It's in there, but life and one's situations can sure dull the senses or sharpen our resolve to make better on the past choices. (Just look at Paris Hilton... wonder how she'll change after a few weeks in the slammer?) I am willing to bet she'll come out a changed bad girl and maybe turn into a great woman with a totally new attitude. (Rich kid brats don't take well to incarseration)
OK, so maybe Coolio's a bad... bad... now, but he ain't no dummy either. Sooner or later one gets tired of running the fast life and from the good inner man. If one lives long enough, perspectives change and so does bad behavior. I can attest to that.
NEXT... yeah, a very good price on those subs Ender. Like I said before, the market is soft and shrinking. We can expect some solid discounts on new brand products that are just coming into the market. The big name brands may not discount much, but the new comers will have to come in low to get some market share and brand recognition.
Now is a good time to take full advantage of newer and emerging companies w/cutting edge products.
Swez
newB on 06/4/2007 15:31:16
GRIN
good'ol swez and his infiniate knowledge
-Drew
newB on 06/5/2007 02:17:46
ok update.
im driving today and pushing them moderately hard.
enough to get loud but not enough to kill my voltage if that means anything.
and i notice they're not hitting very sharp, and sound funny.
so i reach back and they're on the verge of being considered "hot"
my question would be
1) is this normal and ok
2) is there a way to better cool my subs.
(computer fans mounted in the box?)
-Drew
swez on 06/5/2007 08:44:07
Was reading a few items a while back on Class D subs and low ohmic loads. This one stated that there is indeed a good deal of heat generated by these loads and amps.
Also, these subs are 7.5" deep and need some rooms at the back of the magnet to draw air into the vent hole. The minimum space needed is 1x the vent diameter from any blockage. If you have 2" or more, that should be good.
The last thought, some subs are shipped with plastic plugs in the rear vent. If yours had them, they need to be removed before installing the sub for use.
Swez
newB on 06/5/2007 18:47:00
so the bad news is that there is plenty of room and the vent hole is clear.
=(
hm.
its not THAT bad yet
we'll see
-Drew
swez on 06/5/2007 22:54:44
Hummm, keep an eye on these subs as it may be normal that they run a bit hot. Better still, call your TC-9 Rep and explain the details and see how they field that one.
Swez
newB on 06/8/2007 04:44:04
VID 1
http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/?action=view¤t=MVI_8627.flv
VID 2
http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/?action=view¤t=MVI_8626.flv
PIX 1-3
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/IMG_8621.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/IMG_8619.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/IMG_8617.jpg
enjoy
-Drew
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/8/2007 21:04:22
Wow! thos videos are sick! the cell phone pretty much says it all. Good jam too. That deep bass sounded like it was gonna blow my little comp. speakers!
newB on 06/9/2007 00:12:12
thanx!
i want 30 to get up here after i drop a new alt and bat.
BTW how low can my voltage be b4 i have to worry???
-Drew
30Hertz on 06/9/2007 00:37:43
Looks good Drew, Nice work on the enclosure! Do you get any port noise?
I 4get, how many watts you running to those?
Once I get my Brahma in, I might be able to make a road trip and we can kick back. Maybe I can get my Term Lab by then and we can see how many dB ur kickin. =)
-30
newB on 06/9/2007 01:03:40
that would be awesome!!!!
i have 1600 to the pair b4 voltage drop
im not sure if it because the way i file the ports but i just never get any! (weird i know)
so yeah. ive wanted to get on a mic for a while but dont have the time (maybe soon) to hit up a local comp and havnt asked the shops (and im sure they charge)
so yeah. that would be awesome!!
-Drew
newB on 06/9/2007 10:24:32
UPDATE
you'll all love this.
so i'll cut the elaborate version involving my parents not picking my car up from the school like we planned. you know, things come up.
sober grad night 1300$+ and three years of work was lost.
involved 3+ people that planned the whole thing WAY a head of time.
='(
-Drew
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/9/2007 12:02:44
Man, that sucks. I really feel for you man. I have been a victim of similar incidents too many times in the past, and it really kills to lose not only your stuff, but more importantly all the hard work you place in your project to know some slime is gonna profit off it.
If you don't mind me asking, what happened. You can refrain from that too if you wish. Sometimes disbelief alone is enough to make a person not want to say anything...
newB on 06/9/2007 18:57:28
sober-grad-night
it was supposed to be picked up as soon as i left, but you know- something came up. so it was there when most the senior class was out, it was a perfect situation that i knew would be dangerous, hense the plans.
it was planned, probably months in advance. they came with all the right allen, phillips equipment and one of those trunk popping tools.
I WISH the ****ers would have beaten out a window. those can easily be replaced. instead they hammer'd out the body right behind the drivers door and went at it with a crow bar.
then pulled my door panels off (broke all the mounting hardware) and took the interiors and 6x9s.
its just crappy. i found all my crap and their equipment laying there (including the hammer on the drivers seat and latex gloves)
then i also found my CDs strewn accross the field behind the shubin bldg.
looks like they walked a good distance, im thinking 3 people at the least to make it in one trip.
im not as worried about the monetary value. im more pissed off because of the countless hours of work ive put into it over the last three years. i payed for every strand of copper wire, and every mounting screw working part time on weekends and after school.
='(
-Drew
30Hertz on 06/9/2007 19:20:21
Damn man, that REALLY sucks. Especially since you JUST got that stuff in and wangin.
Did you bump it at school? Or anywhere near your place of residence or around the campus? Who have you shown the car to that knew exactly what equipment was inside and where it was placed? To be honest, sounds like an inside job if they knew exactly who you were, where you would be and what equipment was inside the car. Also, my guess is something scared them if they left the rubber gloves inside the vehicle along with the tools used to do the crime.
I really hope you filed a police report. With the $$ value so high, they might be able to possibly get some finger prints from inside the gloves but I seriously doubt it. I hope you also had full insurance on the car and not just liability.
Did you have any sort of alarm on the car? Doesnt mean they wont still break in, but it is another distraction that they have to deal with and might get away with less.
I'm sure your parents feel horrible knowing it probably could have been prevented had they come and picked up the car as per plan.
Sorry for your loss
-30
newB on 06/9/2007 20:10:34
it sucks
mucho balllllz
i'll post something big when i get home
i have another grad thing i have to rush back to.
let me know if anybody has old interiors or other unused equipment!
im looking for some cheap stuff to get tunes.... eventually get "back on my feet"
that system one day. two 3yr old sony xplods the next.
='(
-Drew
swez on 06/9/2007 22:15:47
Wow... talk about being in the wrong place at the right time. Man, I feel for ya because of all the hard work you did on your rig.
I agree that it was definitely someone who knew exactly what you had and the proper tools to get things out. Maybe someone in wood shop that has been watching you work things out and had a very good look at everything that was done.
Insurance will generally not cover aftermarket add on unless you have rider policy specific to this gear. That means serial #'s, all purchase receipts and an alarm system. Some will even require a Professional Installers paper work.
This makes me sick to know guys who do such great work and have it snatched by a few boneheads that are too lazy to build and by their own gear. (Know many "Crack Heads" in this school?) That would be the first guys I'd be looking at. The police are not going to do anything here.... even though this is grand theft, it's not on most police top ten list and some may be glad it's gone and ignore you.
Swez
PS My condolence to your lost children.
newB on 06/10/2007 00:47:39
thanks swez it means a lot
i really only have one option....
build another- bigger, better, more powerful.
AND in a better car.... GRIN
im taking it very well, and have an amazing amout of support.
i could get 20+ people with baseball bats within the hour. willing to draw blood for that system. its bitter sweet- the impact ive had on local audio, and then the thanx i get from these "crack heads".
i have several people also offering their entire system for me till i can find money for my own..... =D but i would feel to selfish
-Drew
30Hertz on 06/10/2007 01:16:38
And then if it got ripped off...you'd owe them money!
Sorry, had to say it though GRIN
-30
newB on 06/10/2007 04:02:37
haha shut it! GRIN
whatever goes in that car next will be practicly perminent.
i'll see to it........
-Drew
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/10/2007 10:28:50
One idea i read somewhere to keep theives kinda hurtin is to use different sizes and types of screws when possible. Imagine being a thief, and a sub is screwed in with 2 sizes of phillips head, some flatheads, allen heads and torx heads. A little more work for them, a nightmare for a thief.
Was your enclosure taken or damaged?
P.S. Need to borrow my AK?? MAD
newB on 06/10/2007 15:42:20
yeah i can use that AK!!!
haha i'm checking ebay and craigslist now.
the enclosure was built in trunk and because they knew everything about my system the knew it was pointless trying to take it.
;D
and i had a mix of allens and phillips on my subs.
obvsiously they were prepared
-Drew
newB on 06/11/2007 17:35:36
i had them for 9 days
-Drew
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/12/2007 04:40:27
At least some samage was minimized. When I build my next estup, they gonna need a whole arsenal of screwdrivers and drill bits to even think about pulling my subs.
I also plan to do a semi bandpassed enclosure with a couple of plexi walls complete with crazy screw configurations to get to amps and subs.
I've been jacked twice, and it all boiled down to hanging with the wrong crowd and my own stupidity. When my car got stolen I left it running, and I had it for two weeks when that happened. they found it all the way at the other end of the state all messed up 2-3 months later. They were using it in burgularies when they recovered it.
Do you know for a fact who did it? Get the hammer and things checked for prints, ect? Maybe you can get somebody hemmed up in the legal system. I'd almost rather be shot........
newB on 06/12/2007 04:53:32
well...
i have a friend ive been helping out.
he either did and and is covering it or was in the wrong place at the wrong time
he claimed to "miss the bus" but he told people that when they were on their way to the senior trip themselves, and they didnt miss it. then he was heard saying that he was waiting for everybody to leave so he can take a trip into san fran
if he jacked the three cars then booked it to san fran im SOL. i'll never see them again
plus the trail of my stuff accross the field amost literally leads to his front door
(they took my CD holder and all the CDs. then as they carried my stuff accross the field (towards his house) the threw all the cds they didnt like on the ground (making a trail to the gate to the road in front of his house))
the blame game IS NO JOKE and im in no position to make any accusations
-Drew
Victor on 06/12/2007 09:30:26
you need a design on a complete fibreglass BP encl, no plexi windows no screwing.. its completely packed, and once fabricated there is no way to reach the sub to steal it....
no access to the sub also means you cant reach the sub urself too when u need it..
but usually well tuned BP encls dont allow over excursion cause of the springing properties of the sealed Vr of the BP encl......
a one time fibreglass enclosure,, you change the sub or remove the sub will have to cut it and then again re-bond it if you cut it well, or just make a new enclosure....
just the tuned ports are seen from outside... no one can make out the brand of your subs as an expensive one and steal it... cool looking and BP performance too.
comments...?
Victor...
swez on 06/12/2007 10:54:11
I'd have to say your "so called helper friend" was indeed in on this one. The trick is to get enough proof and then get the police involved.
This could be considered Grand Theft or Grand Larceny. This may be considered a felony, depending on the amount of money that was involved and the jurisdiction rules in your state or community.
Read up on this as it may help you press the issue with the local police force:
http://library.findlaw.com/1999/Mar/4/126733.html
Swez
newB on 06/12/2007 14:25:30
sorry for the language. i cut and paste from another forum.
i think i will approch him soon. when the oppurtunity presents itself. i dont want to rush into any acusations but the more i explain the story the more it convinces me that he was involved, little things like him being the only one taking no interest in my car and its damage make me wonder.
i doubt the cops can do anything in this. if it was him its all sold in san fran and besides MAYBE a fingerprint with no record i dont know what else i can get on him. besides a confessoin.
ive been thinking about the bandpass idea.
i was thinking 6th order band pass, i play'd around on winisd and i really liked some of the response curves the 6th order BP had. and if i can 90% assembe out of the trunk then bolt two pieces together in the trunk and finish with fiberglass. 1) they have no access to the subs and 2) cant get the box out of the trunk.
very difficult to steal. and im thinking of good hiding places for the amps..... GRIN
-Drew
newB on 06/12/2007 14:29:00
oh yeah and i forgot to mention this thing called karma.
i said in a fairly stong influence in the local area- even though ive only been here one year and have only worked on high school cars. since my robbery ive gotten amazing support from the local community things like being offered full interior sets from some people ive installed for, and from some i havnt.
then one of my best customers is getting a "save A3" movement going to buy me a replacement set of TC9s (which actually looks like it may happen) and to top it all off the guys at RD audio are sending me a free Classic 10 inch woofer which will work perfect for my DCTT box design.
GRIN GRIN GRIN GRIN
-Drew
swez on 06/12/2007 19:37:13
Ya know what Drew, I think you are onto something here.
It's not so much about the loss of your gear, but look at the people you have helped over time and how they are responding. When we invest in other peoples lives, many times... good things do come back to us as/when we need it too.
Some call it Karma, others will say we reap what we sew and so on. But the basic principle here is simple... When one extend a hand to others, others will often extend a hand to others in return when a need is presented.
I cannot tell you how many times I have witnessed this "Law of Reciprosity" in action. Meaning, we do good for/to others because we can and are willing and are just wired to give to others. Then, time goes by and something falls apart in our lives. When other hear of it, they come to help in whatever manner they are able. This happens on CK's site all the time. (It's amazing to watch too)
Have you ever noticed that "good people" will alway rise to the opportunity when they see a need they can meet?
Conversely "selfish/needy people" just look out for #1 and look for opportunities for gain at the expense of others. Ever notice that going on around you? I sure have.
Anyway, will stop rambling and just watch as good things unflold in this little drama. I think it will turn out good later and you'll have a great story to share in the future. SMILE In the circles I track with, it's called "turning a misery into a message".
Swez COFFEE
newB on 06/12/2007 20:04:07
the all wise swez.
always a pleasure reading your self proclaimed "rambling"
we'll see how this plays out. as a gag my parents are sending my message as a sob story to pimp my ride, but thats more for kicks anyways. and i think i will confront him soon.
of course CK will be updated
-Drew
swez on 06/12/2007 21:08:55
May I suggest a "Word Picture" format when you talk to this 'possible perp'? Word pictures are stories that confront others with a message of conviction. If one is guilty and sees the impact it has on another, they will often fess up and try to make things right again. (Assuming one has that sort of character to begin with) Knowing right from wrong specifically.
It's done best in third party verbage rather than using I, Me, Mine, Yours or You statements. Since we don't have all the facts just yet, a straight out confrontation may produce open hostility or denial and if he is not part of this, he'll resent you. However, if he is a part of it and you are able to bring him to a level of personal conviction, then appropriate action can be taken if he does indeed admit his participation.
Think about it a bit more before launching a full scale assult. If you need some ideas on how to craft such a "Word Picture" story, maybe there are a few guys here that can help out. I'll think it over too and see what comes to mind.
Swez
jamesp on 06/12/2007 21:17:51
newB on 06/13/2007 01:46:50
yeah i'll be smart about it. im not one to rush into a situation like this unprepared. i think honesty will be key here. nothing hostile, and if he denies everything then there is nothing i can do.
ahh...
it sucks.
we'll see
-Drew
30Hertz on 06/13/2007 14:42:20
To bad I wasnt up there to talk to him. I'm certified through the same group of professionals that train the FBI Agents on Interviewing (getting information from a person not willing to give it up right away by asking questions, reading bodylanguage, remarks etc etc.).
Start asking him questions that he would give an honest answer to 1st. Example- How are you liking it in ___________? How long have you been there now? Do you have any family there? If yes, who?
By asking questions that a person will answer honestly, you get a good chance to read the persons response time, bodylanguage, cognitive thinking location (are they looking to the left, or right, up or down while recalling actual memories or information).
Then after you've got that down, you can ask him a feeler question like, "So have you heard about what happend to my car? If yes, What exactly did you hear? If No, Tell him. Take note of his body language while talking to him. Is he shifty? Sweaty? Jittery?
The more questions you ask, that arent right out accusing him, the better. Just make sure your getting feedback from him. Whether its body language, or his responses. The mind when confronted with a delima shows outward signs of distress that are subconcious. Within the mind the fight or flight is battling with the cognative brain and deciding whether to lie, tell the truth, or run. On the outside you see this by the bodylanguage and his responses to questions.
Just try to remain Unbiased as you can (I know how hard it is) and keep it open and honest.
Or you can jus go balls to the walls...Whatever fits the situation.
-30
newB on 06/13/2007 15:13:09
i like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i will definatly note his body language and look for a change, his first impression was not good, he avoided me and avoided the subject all together then left the place without telling anyone.
i just need to find a way to get into contact with him now that school is out
-Drew
30Hertz on 06/13/2007 15:20:43
Also, if your gut feeling is telling you its him, I'd forward that information to the Local PD thats handling the case. While its not murder or rape, the equipment loss (if over $450) is Grand Theft in the state of California. On top of the damage to the car they might look into the particular person. Most auto theft cases go unsolved for the mere fact there arent any suspects or witnesses.
-30
newB on 06/13/2007 17:04:27
i'll call that magical number they gave me on the card.
good look'n out.
i didnt know it was as low as 450$
-Drew
swez on 06/13/2007 17:34:15
There ya go... the human polygraph test approach is a good idea. The lips can lie, but the mind and body usually won't w/o showing some signs of distress.
One thought here... 30 Hz is well trained in such things and it may take some careful observation skills and focus to get a quality read. One thing most folks will avoid when lying, is direct eye contact. Some people are just wired to avoid direct eye contact even when talking casually w/ friends.
I had a former buddy who used to be a pretty straight up guy. Then, he got divorced, started doing Crack and Coke to cope. He came to my house one night to chat and said and did a few things that gave me a real gut check.
When I asked a few simple questions, he was relaxed and focused. Then I started asking some deeper, probing questions, his body language gave it all away in a matter of seconds. Then he got so stressed out, he went up stairs and smoked some Crack in the bathroom and denied that as well. I showed him the door.
It's strange how we can think we know someone well for many years and hang out and do projects together w/o knowing the real guy behind the mask. I watched him go from a mild-mannered and very likable guy, to a whack job, nut case I could not trust, in a matter of months.
Sure we all have a few quirks and things we'd rather not admit to. But when one adds crime, drugs and alcohol into the mix, the real inner face will emerge.
You made a great point there 30 Hz. CLAP I would take that advice to the bank. Man, you'd make a great cop or detective. I hope you get your chance someday.
Swez
newB on 06/13/2007 17:50:11
CLAP
x2
-Drew
newB on 06/15/2007 21:38:50
www.tamperproof.com
why didnt i see this weeks ago??????
-Drew
swez on 06/15/2007 22:48:26
Funny you mention that type of hardware. I was shopping at a local store today and had to make a pit stop while shopping. As I looked at the hardware used is the men's room, I saw this as an option too. Sadly, I thought about your situation and guess what... if your friends knew you used this type of hardware, they'd be handy on having the right tools to strip your ride too.
This hardware is a good deterent to the average "Joe", but not one w/ intimate knowledge of your specific install.The tools are easy to find and any can buy them as needed.
FYI: The cable/phone box on my home uses these screws too. I had no difficulty defeating them and gaining access to the phone jacks for an outline phone to my shop. The tools I used were not uncommon, but they worked fine all the same.
No, I will not tell you how I did so, but it was not a be-all-end-all deterent to my plans. I did not have to buy any special tools or modify any exsisting tools either. It was not illegal to add an additional line as I had done. But waiting for a tech to do it was just a PITA. So, I did it on my own.
FYI: A determined person can work around most hardware options if they have the desire and know-how to do so.
Swez
PS Sorry to burst your bubble, but to the common thief, this is a good deterent. I am not/never a thief, but resourseful enough to come up with a McGiever solution when needed. No, it's not that difficult and persistence and creativity solved that one.
PSS I have since removed the line to my shop as I don't want to be bothered while working in same. If I need to make a call, I use a cell phone now. (Case closed)
newB on 06/16/2007 00:45:09
i'm thinking several of these, along with philips and standard screws should be pretty good. but maybe just stick with the 6th order BP box design.
we'll see
i will definately buy these though.
-Drew
ps. you thought of me in a mens dressing room???
kinda happy im 2000 miles away
JK JK
newB on 06/16/2007 00:48:03
OH YEAH i forgot- damage and random pictures...
burt kappa perfect vs. wal-mart special airsoft gun
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/DSC00457.jpg
Door Damage when they force themselves in
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/DSC00460.jpg
my pimp new door panels
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/DSC00461.jpg
the void where my amp SHOULD be
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/DSC00462.jpg
the most bitter iorny of it all
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/saxwonder05/audio/DSC00463.jpg
its gone
-Drew
Victor on 06/16/2007 02:34:03
definitely very sad pictures for a true car audio enthusiasts... apart from the monetary loss this comes as a great shock when one comes to know that all the hardwork , planning and time put into a system to plan install and tweak all goes down the drain.
next time you install , wether u use simple screws or some complex ones, just take care you either do it all by yourself or with a trustworthy friend...
Victor..
swez on 06/16/2007 04:14:05
Nice work they did on your ride Drew. That sucks real bad. MAD
Have you files a police report and contacted you insurance carrier about the loss and damages yet?
Swez
newB on 06/16/2007 22:47:34
i filed the police report an hour after i found it. and insurance doesnt cover it.
=(
i had a dream last night i saw my subs in someones car and then beat them up for it, really bad to. first real raw anger emotion since it happened
-Drew
swez on 06/17/2007 00:40:10
Anger is a very appropriate response to such a violation. Anger is an energy we need when we have been crapped on and drives us to take appropriate steps to resolve the injustice.
However, "blind rage" is not appropriate. (Understandable, but not advised) This is a very destructive form of energy and that's what puts normally good people in jail after a fit of rage is acted out. (Don't go there)
Even if you did find your subs in another guys car, he may be totally unaware they are stolen. I take it you have all your serial numbers written down if these do show up locally right? (Yes, these can be defaced too)
FYI: When you do replace your gear, etch new ID numbers in a well hidden place that only you will know about. (A few digits of your Driver's Lic #) That way, if the S/N's are defaced, you have a backup way to prove they did belong to you. THINK
Swez
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/17/2007 09:42:53
Drew...Gotta question.
I know you modified your trunk hinges, how did that work. I see the picture of how your trunk looks open (SICK!!!) and wonder how it gets to the open position.
Second, do these make it to where you don't need 6 to 60,000 inches of clearance under the subs? I want to do a false wall in my trunk, but can't figure what to to about clearing the trunk hinges without having them on the side of the wall want airtight.........
30Hertz on 06/17/2007 14:40:27
Take off the lid and the hinges. Bust out the MIG welder and throw back on the trunk,,,welt it shut GRIN
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/17/2007 15:53:55
Kinda defeats the purpose of the sexy lookin false wall.......
Thought of that before, when I blew my trunk latch apart with an old Infinity sub I had. Decided to crawl through the backseat and tie her shut with speaker wire. One tight squeeze. GRIN
newB on 06/17/2007 22:54:08
well i just used gate hindges from wal-mart that costed me 4$
im not changing the trunk arms at all- just changing how the lid is bolted to the arms (through the hindge)
if you want to run a 1/2 wall into the interior its a neat little trick. but if your running a 1/2 wall towards the truck i wouldnt recomend it, the seal isnt nearly as good as it was stock.
but suprisingly the bad guys never took advantage of the weak spot in the trunk assembly.
-Drew
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 06/18/2007 20:07:27
Dude, I could be just a little too tired today, or just slow, but I don't think I am catching what your saying here
Definitely want to run the false wall into the interior, I want a fully airtight "resonating chamber to put a pair of ported boxes in and mount my amps in there, and from there put a port through my rear deck so no effiency is lost through the trunk. Also, the nice little breeze created by the ports would cool the amps somewhat.
But all of this is a LOOOONG way off, I have no budget for new bumps any time soon. I'm thinkin a pair of Infinity Reference 12" and a nice Alpine amp. If I can find another amp the same as my upper ranger, I will stick with it, and use the identical one for realr fill. If not, I have a lot more planning to do.....but I got plenty of time for this.
I may build the chamber and chuck my existing subs back there just to free up some major cabin space that is taken up by my Huge BP box. My stuff sounds way nasty with it in the trunk, I tried it for like 10 minutes once when I was bored.
newB on 06/19/2007 00:46:28
i can post pix soon if you'd like.
yes building a 1/2 wall inside the car and dampen it like crazy this method will work (thats how i have mine see numorous pix/vids)
i'll update with detailed pix as soon as possible. which sucks because the hindges are falling apart and commong of the trunk lid-so hopefully you'll have more luck than i did
-Drew
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