http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html
Kids (young people only)
What the frick is wrong with those aged 16 to 24 today? I don't remember a time before 1999 that there were that many people dying in college or high school due to gunshots that weren't part of 'Nam or Korea.
Please explain what causes you to act out in this manner.
PS Mr B was ridiculed as a teenager. I moved every summer as my father did road construction. I lived in a trailer all summer til I was in 8th grade, yet I & kid Rock aren't best friends and I haven't opened fire in a school.
PPS I have 9 combined rifles & shotguns and several hundred rounds of ammo...yet haven't fired a shot in 10 years :-) I've had all of those weapons since I was 8 yrs old.
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Replies (30)
trunkisloud on 04/16/2007 13:33:48
some people have that crazy gene in them.....i think this is as bad as 911 in my eyes....as far as the shock factor.
jamesp on 04/16/2007 14:37:01
30Hertz on 04/16/2007 17:09:18
Most police officers that I know, dont mind if you punish your kid with a spanking. Hell, most of them reccomend it as long as its not taking it to far.
My parents use to go make me pick a switch off one of our citrus tree's so they could give me a nice whoopin. Nothin worse than going out to pick out the instrument thats going to give you the pain. I'm a firm believer in punishing your kids for the wrongs they do. As long as its not beating to the point of bruises or beating out of anger.
MrBrownstone on 04/16/2007 17:28:06
Let's let people age 25 or so and YOUNGER chime in. I understand old people, but youth is what I want to hear from, please.
30Hertz on 04/16/2007 18:14:57
Considering that I'm 24, I think I fall under the 25 and younger catagory.
Who knows what people are thinking now a days. Apparently the only way to cope with being a reject or whatever is to blow up at everyone else and go on a killing spree because you cant cope with your own short commings or low self esteem.
People need to get a grip on themselves. I mean seriously, what the hell. "Oh my gf cheated on me and dumped me! I Think I'll go ruin everyone elses lives because she ruined mine".
Personally I think they should just tranquilize those types of people, then string them up and let the families of those who they killed do what they want. Maybe then people will think before they act.
Pretty harsh but it would work. Forgive, Or offer Retribution for your actions. I choose Retribution for a horrible act such as this.
trunkisloud on 04/16/2007 20:02:33
well most of the time these people that do these things end up taking themselves out of life..so no justice is served.
cplkittle on 04/16/2007 20:27:59
I think justice is served. A one way ticket to Hell without wasting taxpayers' money. No cushy air conditioned cell, no bunkmate to gamble with for smokes, no widescreen TV in the commons area, just a fiery damnation to spend eternity in. It just sucks that other people had to die first.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/17/2007 06:11:30
Personally, I had a majorly difficult time in middle school with other students driving me to the breaking point of violence. I had literally no freinds in this school and was pretty much not accepted in this upper class community. I was ad a realy odd point in my life, and spent a lot of time reading the Anarchist Cookbook at an online site and thinking about joining the Marines.
I have always liked the tools of the military and was very well versed in the tools of the trade. The "skaters" pretty much made my life living hell, and I was lucky I didn't own a gun at the time, or I probably would have sprayed them. This was before Columbine happened, which happened in the backyard of my home state of Colorado.
After Columbine happened, and the kids taking note of the fact that they had driven me to the point of being psychotic, they let up virtually overnight. I quickly matured as well, and high school was a very different expeirence for me.
I look back now and can see the difference in my behavior. I also set "limits" to constantly keep myself from going crazy off the deep end. I wont won any guns or really any deadly weapons, as I wouldn't want to have them as enablers to screw my self and the lifes of others.
Who is really to say what drove the unnamed gunman to snap and take out his victims? I have heard nothing about the psychology and the like of this kid, I just find it unfortunate that nobody has the self control to keep from taking another's life, or driving one to do such. Maybe there was no cause, and the kid just played waay too much Grand Theft Auto: San Andeas. Maybe just some psychopath who had nothing better to do.
In either case, this situation is totally FUBAR, and sucks no matter what way you look at it. Hopefully society will learn something from it.
swez on 04/17/2007 11:29:54
Shoot... have noted a big change in you since coming to this board too.
In earlier post, it seemed like there was a big chip on your shoulder and some "colorful language" was leaking out all over. There was a hint of "attitude" there too, like someone trying to prove themselves and semi-hostile if others disagreed.
After a few months of posting, learning and being heard, things have changed dramatically. Now, you have found your element, give very good comments and helps to others and you fit in well at this site. Heck, even your writing skills are improving. There's more too, but I'll stop here and say... Nice Job!!!
How cool is that?
Swez
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/17/2007 20:53:05
Actually, car audio pretty much saved my life. I was so estatic when I installed my first deck by myself with no help, that I haven't wanted to do anything else since.
As for the attitude and colorful language, it's really hard for me to combat the language, as I swear the F-Word was the first thing I ever remember saying. The attitude was the creation of somebody who had never met somebody that was both more knowledgeable and willing to teach somebody. Every body who knew more than me ( I had Been installing a couple of years before I found CK) pretty much would argue with me on strong beliefs on the topics of car audio.
Unless I am discussing audio with you guys, it seems more people dissagree with my views than anything else. I personally think my work speaks for itself though. This place has been great, and recovering my long lost writing skills has been nice. I used to be a great writer, but years of not practicing and the like, my skills got real dusty. I did have a 12th grade reading level since 3rd grade, and it is nice to use my gifts again.
cplkittle on 04/17/2007 21:18:44
It sounds like joining the Marines was something you are glad you decided against. If you are still thinking about it, talk to me first. I loved it, and would recommend it to anyone, but I would like you to know the truth about everything first. I joined the reserves, but volunteered for cold weather training in Norway, SERE training in Maine, and volunteered to go to Iraq.
No one will judge you in bootcamp by your personality or background. You will be judged by your determination and the effort you put foreward.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/17/2007 21:39:45
I am very lad I decided against the Marine Corps. I pretty much wanted to join because I was a total psycho at the time and wanted an excuse to empty out a M16A2/M203 into a crowd of armed people.
When Iraq was invaded, the call came again, but the simple fact that I saw was that by the time I was out of boot camp, major combat would be over. Now with the war the way it has become, I am totally satisfied that I didn't join.
I have matured a lot since those days, and only if a war I felt was worthy of my life came along would I join. I definitely would want to be in a combat sitiation, but I don't feel being in a place full of guerillas and insurgents who have the common backing of a good percentage of the people would be a smart Idea.
Who is to say what the future could bring? Maybe a "Red Dawn" style WW3 is in the making, waiting for somebody like me to fight for the cause. In this situation I would be in in a matter of seconds, as that would be something I could believe in and be willing to die for. As for taking an IED to the port side of he Humvee I was riding and losing a leg, I think I'll pass. I'll just continue discounting ciggs and giving free stuff to the occaisonal Military ID I see at work. I gotta pay my respects any way I can. It's a lot of good men laying their stuff on the line for my right to say "I'll pass". I only wish I could do more for these guys
swez on 04/17/2007 22:42:23
This is a good story... one that will lead to a very successful future and some great opportunities that seeming land in your lap there Shoot.
Loads of potential is what I see and commend you for the passion and persistance to take things to a higher level. I can't wait to see how things bring up even more good stuff from that deep well inside.
Perhaps a few of the Christian guys on this board will pray for you as I do, and see what happens. Watch out though as this kind of warfare is even more dramatic then joining the Marines, Army, Navy or the Air Force. It's a very different kind of boot camp, but having come from a pretty rough place in life, the Divine Provider can do anything with a pair of willing hands and one who ready for some major turn-arounds.
Am I right on that one Kittle?
Swez
cplkittle on 04/17/2007 23:07:44
dead on there Swez.
I won't even go into detail on all the crap my wife and I went through while I was in California and overseas. It seems like the harder you try the worse it gets.
Chuck Swindoll once said that when times get rough and it seems like nothing you do makes it better, stop and pray and ask God to guide you. Acknowledge that He may be testing you and ask Him that you will learn from this trial and that you may react the way He would have you to and learn what He would have you to learn from this situation.
I promise that if you say this prayer, you will see the whole situation in a new light immediately. All of your worries will disappear and you will be guided instead of trying to decide which way to go.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/17/2007 23:15:09
A news article is on right now on this subject. A 23 year old Korean kid named Seuing Cho was responsible for it. I amy not have the name right though. He carried no ID, and the only way to check who he was happenned through checking the guns that he legally purchased. He aslo wrote a couple of screenplays concerning revenge. He also had no other record other than some speeding tickets. He had a Glock 19 9mm with 15 rounds clips.
Man, that is crazy. Who could possibly imigine what drove this guy to this. They didn't say much about the note they found in his dorm, except one line that was "you made me do this." They say he was a total loner too, and never really even spoke to his roomates. Lunacy
swez on 04/18/2007 13:41:50
Slow down, back up 2 posts and start again...
Uhmmm, there has always been this sort of evil since the human race hit the planet. Yes, this is horrible and we are all shocked as a nation that this one is the biggest one yet. But this is one of the deeper myteries that is locked into the hearts of evil people. (Stalin, Hitler, Saddam and many, many others) We cannot law it out of existance, we cannot vote it out of office, nor can we condone it.
Now, who's going to be the first idiot in Washington to bring up gun control for the masses... again? (Knee-jerk reactions that will not work)
It'll be some guy/gal who's posing for the coming elections to be sure. But it won't work as people who operate outside the law will always have weapons and willing to sell weapons too.
Our idiot politicians think they can legislate good and moral conduct from the Ivory Tower and the masses will fall under some kind of spell and automatically become compliant. It does not work right?
Again, this is a horrible event in our history, but it's just a fore-shadowing of even greater mayhem to come. Am not a prophet of doom here either. Some will be man made, others will be natural disasters. However, there were times in our past where it was brother against brother, religion against another religion and ideology VS ideolgy. This is not new and it's getting worst.
Swez
MrBrownstone on 04/18/2007 17:51:09
Busta.
Glad you never entered the military. It's not a good place for misguided youth.
My cousin did that Marine Corps enlistment. They really did a number on his head. When he got out, 14 years ago, he was unable to function in society.
As a Sgt, he got to order everyone around. At the Burger King, it didn't work out for him. Every job he tried, about 3 weeks to a month later, he had troubles relating to anyone. Even up to 2003, he had at least 5 W-2s each year. That's over 70 jobs since his discharge.
Of course, when he came back, not more than 3 hrs after he got off the plane, he was sniffing some nose candy off a CD case in the back seat of my car!!! When I informed him that he's home and there's nothing to escape anymore, he was unable to fathom the paradigm shift.
This kid wasn't all that confident of his future prior to the military, however, he was a boxer, had a very good record, and didn't get into a lot of trouble in school. When he came back, he had a Bacardi & Coke...both kinds.. and a wacky tobaccy habit that made Thomas Chong & Swez look like role models for impressionable youths :-)
After a tirade, in 2003, I had to disown him. It was tragic that both of us are 5 days apart, were raised by the same family of people, yet 33 years into his life, most of his family won't speak to him anymore.
For those that believe that sending people to the military to 'shape them up', I present to you this cautionary tale. The military's purpose is to make soldiers, not complete human beings. Many people need militant structure to run every detail of their life, but most of us do not. The military doesn't have any program for social disorders other than boot camp...at least one that's effective anyway.
In his case, 4 years of this did nothing to improve his life or organize his enthusiasm. Instead, it contributed to his demise. He has gone thru a cycle of domestic violence in his rocky marriage that isn't precedented in either side of the family...or his wife's side. Substances that he never used have caused him to have a heart attack at 35...one that nearly took his life.
In our 2nd to last conversation, he indicated that the Corps gave him access to substances that he would never had with such normalcy. There was no punishment, and the trafficing of said substances was commonplace, and without customs or law enforcement.
In the end, if you have personal problems, work them out with family &/or counseling. Don't blame others for your problems. Your problems are just that, yours. I don't expect anyone to wipe my arse for me, why should you?
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/18/2007 20:24:01
I am sorry to hear about your cousin B. I have lost a few freinds in the same manner, but the military wasn't the cause. Mainly just the scourage of the use of coke and meth in my community. Fortunately, I was well same enough to stay away from that crap, while my freinds went to jail and other places due to it. A few of my old freinds just dissapeared pretty much without a trace, and I haven't heard from them since.
One of my neihbors from the old hood joined the Army a few years back, but was discharged due to medical reasons. The reasons you ask? Some guy flipped out over some crap that I can't remember, ans straight punched my homie so bad that he cracked his skull. That guy will be spending some time in the brig for sure.
My neihbor was in the Army for about 9 months before all of this happened. 3 months into it, all of this happened. He said he spent his last 6 month's "Seeing a hot nurse, and playing X-Box." Due to all of that, he was never deployed to Iraq. At least he got a good pension out of it.
The guy wanted to enlist when I met him, and definitely was cut out for it. The day he signed his papers, he quit smokin, drinkin, and started running 5 miles a day, then 10 then 20. Never seen somebody just up and do that. And some nutjob screwed that all up for him.
If I would have joined the military in the frame of mind that I was in, I probably would have ebded up like one of those sick foul ups in Guantanimo (hope thats spelled evel close!) Bay, or worse. I has take me a long time to work on my issues, and it's still a work in progress. For example, I takes me all of my self control today not to smash on some random fool because can't fix my car. I can't explain it but I wanna smash somebody. I realize it's irrational, but in the past, somebody mioght of got hit.
I got in an accident when I was 19, pulled the kid out of the car, and promptly decked him in the face. I blacked out when it happened, and was told about it by freinds who were with me when it happened hours after it happened that I did that.
One that occured a few months before that was worse. I was just driving home from breaking up with a chick I was dating, smoking at the time, and some fool hits my car trying to get around a big rig. I took him to the side of the road, and took all of the two dollars that he had and his watch. He didn't have insurance.
I used to snap over the stupidest carp imaginable. Fortunately, I haven't gone nuts like that in 2+ years, and I will keep it that way.
I am glad to take myself out of the list of random nutjobs.
UKinstaller on 04/18/2007 22:29:21
i'd just like to know why we (as in the piss-poor U.S. "Government") are so concerned with stopping terrorists in iraq, afghanistan, north korea, iran whatever, yet we let crap like this happen in our own backyard??
this was an act of terrorism, however you look at it. the state of virginia appears to have had more than enough chances to prevent this from happening, but they let it happen anyway. if some Koran reading afghani stalked a couple of women, admitted himself to a mental institution, and then purchased some weapons, we would have sent his a$$ to cuba to starve with the rest of the dogs there light years before he would have shot everyone up.
why was this clown treated so differently?? because america is only concerned about ending violence in oil-rich parts of the world. we forget that americans are just as sick and twisted as any other clan of people out there, we just don't think so because we live here.
i'm moving to switzerland.
-UK
cplkittle on 04/18/2007 23:38:06
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting
He sent a video and letter to NBC between the shootings.
swez on 04/19/2007 09:30:58
Wow, this guy gave so many signs and indications that he was indeed about to "go off" and the authourities repeatedly dropped the ball.
If anything, Cho left a clear message of his intentions and gave police a well documented set of details as to what he was thinking/planning and why. From reading parts of his ramblings, it seems clear that Cho had major symtoms of rage, intent to do harm and gave many clues to anyone paying attention, of just how "whacked out and hacked off" he really was.
This should give the FBI and other officials a good look into the mind of one sick puppy. If anything good is to come from all this, it might be a case study of anti-social behavior and how to deal with dangerous people before they act out? Clearly, the system used in Cho's case, did not work and those who were aware of his issues, really dropped the ball. That in itself is almost criminal.
This whole situation makes me sick... it's one thing for a sick-minded guy to harm himself. But to take his rage onto a campus of innocent young adults and destroy their lives as well, that's a major system failure and needs to be looked at far more in depth. MAD
Swez
cplkittle on 04/19/2007 11:27:49
In a way it makes a strange eerie sort of sense.
He was a loner and no one paid him any attention. This was his complaint. When people started to take notice of the signs, again he was ignored this time by the authorities.
MrBrownstone on 04/19/2007 13:53:13
I think with my cousin, it was the access to the product unharassed that contributed to his demise. He never did the product in rural Norta Colda, but it was so accessible and commonplace that he found it 'normal' in his unit.
I don't argue it's the product and not the military, but I do caution people that believe that the military teaches discipline and a way of life to everyone. What it does is breed soldiers...nothing more than that. Damn good ones, too.
cplkittle on 04/19/2007 16:06:52
I think I gained a little more than the knowledge of how and when to kill. I can't say that I had a bad upbringing though. My parents didn't divorce until I was 21, and we always had almost everything we wanted growing up. My parents spent alot of time with me as a child reading to me and teaching me. My father had me writing computer programs on our old aquarius computer when I was 7, and at the same age I knew the difference and function of a capacitor, resistor, transistor, diode, and relay. He taught me what he was interested in.
Long story short, I think it depends on your attitude when you join, and the people you are around while you are in. I agree with Mr. B's last statement. I had a calm, very intelligent, Christian sergeant to guide me through my military career. If I had a troubled youth and misguided leadership, there is no telling what I would have become.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/19/2007 16:10:44
Nuts, man, totally nuts. Again, like columbine, all of the signs were there, but totally ignored. Like Uk said, this is a totall example of homeland terrorism.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/26/2007 10:31:10
Man, I read me some time magazine and this guy was one twisted mofo. The plays he wrote mostly had do deal with sexuall abuse and twisted ways of violence.
One of the names of his twisted plays: Mr. Brownstone. I am not joking about this. That is just wierd.
jamesp on 04/26/2007 12:14:14
jamesp on 04/26/2007 12:18:49
Shootah, you know who mr Brownstone is or was dont you? He was the LA heroin dealer that dealt in Mexican brown heroin that catered to the Hollywood stars that had a little smack problem. They interviewed him in a TV special. He sold River Pheonix his last shot of dope.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/26/2007 22:27:05
I didn't know that. I guess it is a good thing that I do now
loudazzblubird on 04/29/2007 05:37:51
shux sorry about that virginia thing guys.. That guy was a real whack job. Saw his video thing and the photos on the news. Pretty mental. Is it true this whole thing started over jealousy because if it is then i mean there must have been somthing else going on behind that excuse. No girl is worth a shoot up like this. But i don't have all the details so i can't really rant and rave on about it.
Kids (young people only)
What the frick is wrong with those aged 16 to 24 today? I don't remember a time before 1999 that there were that many people dying in college or high school due to gunshots that weren't part of 'Nam or Korea.
Please explain what causes you to act out in this manner.
PS Mr B was ridiculed as a teenager. I moved every summer as my father did road construction. I lived in a trailer all summer til I was in 8th grade, yet I & kid Rock aren't best friends and I haven't opened fire in a school.
PPS I have 9 combined rifles & shotguns and several hundred rounds of ammo...yet haven't fired a shot in 10 years :-) I've had all of those weapons since I was 8 yrs old.
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trunkisloud on 04/16/2007 13:33:48
some people have that crazy gene in them.....i think this is as bad as 911 in my eyes....as far as the shock factor.
jamesp on 04/16/2007 14:37:01
30Hertz on 04/16/2007 17:09:18
Most police officers that I know, dont mind if you punish your kid with a spanking. Hell, most of them reccomend it as long as its not taking it to far.
My parents use to go make me pick a switch off one of our citrus tree's so they could give me a nice whoopin. Nothin worse than going out to pick out the instrument thats going to give you the pain. I'm a firm believer in punishing your kids for the wrongs they do. As long as its not beating to the point of bruises or beating out of anger.
MrBrownstone on 04/16/2007 17:28:06
Let's let people age 25 or so and YOUNGER chime in. I understand old people, but youth is what I want to hear from, please.
30Hertz on 04/16/2007 18:14:57
Considering that I'm 24, I think I fall under the 25 and younger catagory.
Who knows what people are thinking now a days. Apparently the only way to cope with being a reject or whatever is to blow up at everyone else and go on a killing spree because you cant cope with your own short commings or low self esteem.
People need to get a grip on themselves. I mean seriously, what the hell. "Oh my gf cheated on me and dumped me! I Think I'll go ruin everyone elses lives because she ruined mine".
Personally I think they should just tranquilize those types of people, then string them up and let the families of those who they killed do what they want. Maybe then people will think before they act.
Pretty harsh but it would work. Forgive, Or offer Retribution for your actions. I choose Retribution for a horrible act such as this.
trunkisloud on 04/16/2007 20:02:33
well most of the time these people that do these things end up taking themselves out of life..so no justice is served.
cplkittle on 04/16/2007 20:27:59
I think justice is served. A one way ticket to Hell without wasting taxpayers' money. No cushy air conditioned cell, no bunkmate to gamble with for smokes, no widescreen TV in the commons area, just a fiery damnation to spend eternity in. It just sucks that other people had to die first.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/17/2007 06:11:30
Personally, I had a majorly difficult time in middle school with other students driving me to the breaking point of violence. I had literally no freinds in this school and was pretty much not accepted in this upper class community. I was ad a realy odd point in my life, and spent a lot of time reading the Anarchist Cookbook at an online site and thinking about joining the Marines.
I have always liked the tools of the military and was very well versed in the tools of the trade. The "skaters" pretty much made my life living hell, and I was lucky I didn't own a gun at the time, or I probably would have sprayed them. This was before Columbine happened, which happened in the backyard of my home state of Colorado.
After Columbine happened, and the kids taking note of the fact that they had driven me to the point of being psychotic, they let up virtually overnight. I quickly matured as well, and high school was a very different expeirence for me.
I look back now and can see the difference in my behavior. I also set "limits" to constantly keep myself from going crazy off the deep end. I wont won any guns or really any deadly weapons, as I wouldn't want to have them as enablers to screw my self and the lifes of others.
Who is really to say what drove the unnamed gunman to snap and take out his victims? I have heard nothing about the psychology and the like of this kid, I just find it unfortunate that nobody has the self control to keep from taking another's life, or driving one to do such. Maybe there was no cause, and the kid just played waay too much Grand Theft Auto: San Andeas. Maybe just some psychopath who had nothing better to do.
In either case, this situation is totally FUBAR, and sucks no matter what way you look at it. Hopefully society will learn something from it.
swez on 04/17/2007 11:29:54
Shoot... have noted a big change in you since coming to this board too.
In earlier post, it seemed like there was a big chip on your shoulder and some "colorful language" was leaking out all over. There was a hint of "attitude" there too, like someone trying to prove themselves and semi-hostile if others disagreed.
After a few months of posting, learning and being heard, things have changed dramatically. Now, you have found your element, give very good comments and helps to others and you fit in well at this site. Heck, even your writing skills are improving. There's more too, but I'll stop here and say... Nice Job!!!
How cool is that?
Swez
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/17/2007 20:53:05
Actually, car audio pretty much saved my life. I was so estatic when I installed my first deck by myself with no help, that I haven't wanted to do anything else since.
As for the attitude and colorful language, it's really hard for me to combat the language, as I swear the F-Word was the first thing I ever remember saying. The attitude was the creation of somebody who had never met somebody that was both more knowledgeable and willing to teach somebody. Every body who knew more than me ( I had Been installing a couple of years before I found CK) pretty much would argue with me on strong beliefs on the topics of car audio.
Unless I am discussing audio with you guys, it seems more people dissagree with my views than anything else. I personally think my work speaks for itself though. This place has been great, and recovering my long lost writing skills has been nice. I used to be a great writer, but years of not practicing and the like, my skills got real dusty. I did have a 12th grade reading level since 3rd grade, and it is nice to use my gifts again.
cplkittle on 04/17/2007 21:18:44
It sounds like joining the Marines was something you are glad you decided against. If you are still thinking about it, talk to me first. I loved it, and would recommend it to anyone, but I would like you to know the truth about everything first. I joined the reserves, but volunteered for cold weather training in Norway, SERE training in Maine, and volunteered to go to Iraq.
No one will judge you in bootcamp by your personality or background. You will be judged by your determination and the effort you put foreward.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/17/2007 21:39:45
I am very lad I decided against the Marine Corps. I pretty much wanted to join because I was a total psycho at the time and wanted an excuse to empty out a M16A2/M203 into a crowd of armed people.
When Iraq was invaded, the call came again, but the simple fact that I saw was that by the time I was out of boot camp, major combat would be over. Now with the war the way it has become, I am totally satisfied that I didn't join.
I have matured a lot since those days, and only if a war I felt was worthy of my life came along would I join. I definitely would want to be in a combat sitiation, but I don't feel being in a place full of guerillas and insurgents who have the common backing of a good percentage of the people would be a smart Idea.
Who is to say what the future could bring? Maybe a "Red Dawn" style WW3 is in the making, waiting for somebody like me to fight for the cause. In this situation I would be in in a matter of seconds, as that would be something I could believe in and be willing to die for. As for taking an IED to the port side of he Humvee I was riding and losing a leg, I think I'll pass. I'll just continue discounting ciggs and giving free stuff to the occaisonal Military ID I see at work. I gotta pay my respects any way I can. It's a lot of good men laying their stuff on the line for my right to say "I'll pass". I only wish I could do more for these guys
swez on 04/17/2007 22:42:23
This is a good story... one that will lead to a very successful future and some great opportunities that seeming land in your lap there Shoot.
Loads of potential is what I see and commend you for the passion and persistance to take things to a higher level. I can't wait to see how things bring up even more good stuff from that deep well inside.
Perhaps a few of the Christian guys on this board will pray for you as I do, and see what happens. Watch out though as this kind of warfare is even more dramatic then joining the Marines, Army, Navy or the Air Force. It's a very different kind of boot camp, but having come from a pretty rough place in life, the Divine Provider can do anything with a pair of willing hands and one who ready for some major turn-arounds.
Am I right on that one Kittle?
Swez
cplkittle on 04/17/2007 23:07:44
dead on there Swez.
I won't even go into detail on all the crap my wife and I went through while I was in California and overseas. It seems like the harder you try the worse it gets.
Chuck Swindoll once said that when times get rough and it seems like nothing you do makes it better, stop and pray and ask God to guide you. Acknowledge that He may be testing you and ask Him that you will learn from this trial and that you may react the way He would have you to and learn what He would have you to learn from this situation.
I promise that if you say this prayer, you will see the whole situation in a new light immediately. All of your worries will disappear and you will be guided instead of trying to decide which way to go.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/17/2007 23:15:09
A news article is on right now on this subject. A 23 year old Korean kid named Seuing Cho was responsible for it. I amy not have the name right though. He carried no ID, and the only way to check who he was happenned through checking the guns that he legally purchased. He aslo wrote a couple of screenplays concerning revenge. He also had no other record other than some speeding tickets. He had a Glock 19 9mm with 15 rounds clips.
Man, that is crazy. Who could possibly imigine what drove this guy to this. They didn't say much about the note they found in his dorm, except one line that was "you made me do this." They say he was a total loner too, and never really even spoke to his roomates. Lunacy
swez on 04/18/2007 13:41:50
Slow down, back up 2 posts and start again...
Uhmmm, there has always been this sort of evil since the human race hit the planet. Yes, this is horrible and we are all shocked as a nation that this one is the biggest one yet. But this is one of the deeper myteries that is locked into the hearts of evil people. (Stalin, Hitler, Saddam and many, many others) We cannot law it out of existance, we cannot vote it out of office, nor can we condone it.
Now, who's going to be the first idiot in Washington to bring up gun control for the masses... again? (Knee-jerk reactions that will not work)
It'll be some guy/gal who's posing for the coming elections to be sure. But it won't work as people who operate outside the law will always have weapons and willing to sell weapons too.
Our idiot politicians think they can legislate good and moral conduct from the Ivory Tower and the masses will fall under some kind of spell and automatically become compliant. It does not work right?
Again, this is a horrible event in our history, but it's just a fore-shadowing of even greater mayhem to come. Am not a prophet of doom here either. Some will be man made, others will be natural disasters. However, there were times in our past where it was brother against brother, religion against another religion and ideology VS ideolgy. This is not new and it's getting worst.
Swez
MrBrownstone on 04/18/2007 17:51:09
Busta.
Glad you never entered the military. It's not a good place for misguided youth.
My cousin did that Marine Corps enlistment. They really did a number on his head. When he got out, 14 years ago, he was unable to function in society.
As a Sgt, he got to order everyone around. At the Burger King, it didn't work out for him. Every job he tried, about 3 weeks to a month later, he had troubles relating to anyone. Even up to 2003, he had at least 5 W-2s each year. That's over 70 jobs since his discharge.
Of course, when he came back, not more than 3 hrs after he got off the plane, he was sniffing some nose candy off a CD case in the back seat of my car!!! When I informed him that he's home and there's nothing to escape anymore, he was unable to fathom the paradigm shift.
This kid wasn't all that confident of his future prior to the military, however, he was a boxer, had a very good record, and didn't get into a lot of trouble in school. When he came back, he had a Bacardi & Coke...both kinds.. and a wacky tobaccy habit that made Thomas Chong & Swez look like role models for impressionable youths :-)
After a tirade, in 2003, I had to disown him. It was tragic that both of us are 5 days apart, were raised by the same family of people, yet 33 years into his life, most of his family won't speak to him anymore.
For those that believe that sending people to the military to 'shape them up', I present to you this cautionary tale. The military's purpose is to make soldiers, not complete human beings. Many people need militant structure to run every detail of their life, but most of us do not. The military doesn't have any program for social disorders other than boot camp...at least one that's effective anyway.
In his case, 4 years of this did nothing to improve his life or organize his enthusiasm. Instead, it contributed to his demise. He has gone thru a cycle of domestic violence in his rocky marriage that isn't precedented in either side of the family...or his wife's side. Substances that he never used have caused him to have a heart attack at 35...one that nearly took his life.
In our 2nd to last conversation, he indicated that the Corps gave him access to substances that he would never had with such normalcy. There was no punishment, and the trafficing of said substances was commonplace, and without customs or law enforcement.
In the end, if you have personal problems, work them out with family &/or counseling. Don't blame others for your problems. Your problems are just that, yours. I don't expect anyone to wipe my arse for me, why should you?
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/18/2007 20:24:01
I am sorry to hear about your cousin B. I have lost a few freinds in the same manner, but the military wasn't the cause. Mainly just the scourage of the use of coke and meth in my community. Fortunately, I was well same enough to stay away from that crap, while my freinds went to jail and other places due to it. A few of my old freinds just dissapeared pretty much without a trace, and I haven't heard from them since.
One of my neihbors from the old hood joined the Army a few years back, but was discharged due to medical reasons. The reasons you ask? Some guy flipped out over some crap that I can't remember, ans straight punched my homie so bad that he cracked his skull. That guy will be spending some time in the brig for sure.
My neihbor was in the Army for about 9 months before all of this happened. 3 months into it, all of this happened. He said he spent his last 6 month's "Seeing a hot nurse, and playing X-Box." Due to all of that, he was never deployed to Iraq. At least he got a good pension out of it.
The guy wanted to enlist when I met him, and definitely was cut out for it. The day he signed his papers, he quit smokin, drinkin, and started running 5 miles a day, then 10 then 20. Never seen somebody just up and do that. And some nutjob screwed that all up for him.
If I would have joined the military in the frame of mind that I was in, I probably would have ebded up like one of those sick foul ups in Guantanimo (hope thats spelled evel close!) Bay, or worse. I has take me a long time to work on my issues, and it's still a work in progress. For example, I takes me all of my self control today not to smash on some random fool because can't fix my car. I can't explain it but I wanna smash somebody. I realize it's irrational, but in the past, somebody mioght of got hit.
I got in an accident when I was 19, pulled the kid out of the car, and promptly decked him in the face. I blacked out when it happened, and was told about it by freinds who were with me when it happened hours after it happened that I did that.
One that occured a few months before that was worse. I was just driving home from breaking up with a chick I was dating, smoking at the time, and some fool hits my car trying to get around a big rig. I took him to the side of the road, and took all of the two dollars that he had and his watch. He didn't have insurance.
I used to snap over the stupidest carp imaginable. Fortunately, I haven't gone nuts like that in 2+ years, and I will keep it that way.
I am glad to take myself out of the list of random nutjobs.
UKinstaller on 04/18/2007 22:29:21
i'd just like to know why we (as in the piss-poor U.S. "Government") are so concerned with stopping terrorists in iraq, afghanistan, north korea, iran whatever, yet we let crap like this happen in our own backyard??
this was an act of terrorism, however you look at it. the state of virginia appears to have had more than enough chances to prevent this from happening, but they let it happen anyway. if some Koran reading afghani stalked a couple of women, admitted himself to a mental institution, and then purchased some weapons, we would have sent his a$$ to cuba to starve with the rest of the dogs there light years before he would have shot everyone up.
why was this clown treated so differently?? because america is only concerned about ending violence in oil-rich parts of the world. we forget that americans are just as sick and twisted as any other clan of people out there, we just don't think so because we live here.
i'm moving to switzerland.
-UK
cplkittle on 04/18/2007 23:38:06
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting
He sent a video and letter to NBC between the shootings.
swez on 04/19/2007 09:30:58
Wow, this guy gave so many signs and indications that he was indeed about to "go off" and the authourities repeatedly dropped the ball.
If anything, Cho left a clear message of his intentions and gave police a well documented set of details as to what he was thinking/planning and why. From reading parts of his ramblings, it seems clear that Cho had major symtoms of rage, intent to do harm and gave many clues to anyone paying attention, of just how "whacked out and hacked off" he really was.
This should give the FBI and other officials a good look into the mind of one sick puppy. If anything good is to come from all this, it might be a case study of anti-social behavior and how to deal with dangerous people before they act out? Clearly, the system used in Cho's case, did not work and those who were aware of his issues, really dropped the ball. That in itself is almost criminal.
This whole situation makes me sick... it's one thing for a sick-minded guy to harm himself. But to take his rage onto a campus of innocent young adults and destroy their lives as well, that's a major system failure and needs to be looked at far more in depth. MAD
Swez
cplkittle on 04/19/2007 11:27:49
In a way it makes a strange eerie sort of sense.
He was a loner and no one paid him any attention. This was his complaint. When people started to take notice of the signs, again he was ignored this time by the authorities.
MrBrownstone on 04/19/2007 13:53:13
I think with my cousin, it was the access to the product unharassed that contributed to his demise. He never did the product in rural Norta Colda, but it was so accessible and commonplace that he found it 'normal' in his unit.
I don't argue it's the product and not the military, but I do caution people that believe that the military teaches discipline and a way of life to everyone. What it does is breed soldiers...nothing more than that. Damn good ones, too.
cplkittle on 04/19/2007 16:06:52
I think I gained a little more than the knowledge of how and when to kill. I can't say that I had a bad upbringing though. My parents didn't divorce until I was 21, and we always had almost everything we wanted growing up. My parents spent alot of time with me as a child reading to me and teaching me. My father had me writing computer programs on our old aquarius computer when I was 7, and at the same age I knew the difference and function of a capacitor, resistor, transistor, diode, and relay. He taught me what he was interested in.
Long story short, I think it depends on your attitude when you join, and the people you are around while you are in. I agree with Mr. B's last statement. I had a calm, very intelligent, Christian sergeant to guide me through my military career. If I had a troubled youth and misguided leadership, there is no telling what I would have become.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/19/2007 16:10:44
Nuts, man, totally nuts. Again, like columbine, all of the signs were there, but totally ignored. Like Uk said, this is a totall example of homeland terrorism.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/26/2007 10:31:10
Man, I read me some time magazine and this guy was one twisted mofo. The plays he wrote mostly had do deal with sexuall abuse and twisted ways of violence.
One of the names of his twisted plays: Mr. Brownstone. I am not joking about this. That is just wierd.
jamesp on 04/26/2007 12:14:14
jamesp on 04/26/2007 12:18:49
Shootah, you know who mr Brownstone is or was dont you? He was the LA heroin dealer that dealt in Mexican brown heroin that catered to the Hollywood stars that had a little smack problem. They interviewed him in a TV special. He sold River Pheonix his last shot of dope.
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 04/26/2007 22:27:05
I didn't know that. I guess it is a good thing that I do now
loudazzblubird on 04/29/2007 05:37:51
shux sorry about that virginia thing guys.. That guy was a real whack job. Saw his video thing and the photos on the news. Pretty mental. Is it true this whole thing started over jealousy because if it is then i mean there must have been somthing else going on behind that excuse. No girl is worth a shoot up like this. But i don't have all the details so i can't really rant and rave on about it.
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