http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001H6DKI/ref=pd_sl_aw_alx-jeb-9- 1_ce_7895716_3?tag2=amd-google-20
I listen to mostly hiphop and dance music and have heard that these do really well with that type of material.
Have you had a chance to hear these SWEZ ?
I have a HK-3480 2 channel reciever right now.
Replies (16)
swez on 02/25/2007 16:10:58
Have not demo'd these personally, but this series has a few very good features. It is bi-amp capable and that is always a plus for better low bass and clean mids/highs. I would like to see the specs on them before making a more definitive yea or ney.
http://www.cerwinvega.com/index.html
This web site is very light on specs and technical info... :-(
Swez
MO on 02/25/2007 16:30:53
This is all i could find swez
http://www.cerwinvega.com/index.html
this is for the new model. The amazon link i gave you is from the last model year. They are both the same spec wise from what i could tell.
I did'nt see a owners manual pdf or anything else. Im leaning towards them so far unless i can find somthing better around the same price.
Victor on 02/26/2007 00:37:14
Luckily you got a CV guy out here... thats meeeeee.. GRIN..
Those are very good performing speakers, I have seem them do wonders when paired with a CLS-12S sub.
They would even sound well without a sub, pretty clean, tight and loud.
Definitely there are a few other comparitive options one would wanna look at like the JBL's.
Yes the CV website is too vague and little to no info on the products.
If you are looking for a brochure or a spec sheet of the CLS series speakers I could mail them to you.
The owners manual for the new series is still not out with the indian importer of CV, it shall be availabe in a weeks time. If you are looking for older user manuals then I could mail them to you..
Although not officially with us, but there is not difference between the CLS and the CLSC series except the outer look and design. Rest all specs remain the same.
Just a marketing gimmick u see...
Victor..
swez on 02/26/2007 00:45:50
Yes, I was thinking of you Victor... when this post appeared. Intuition tells me this is probably a very solid system when Bi-amped. However, without some real testing specs, am hesitant to throw the green light out for one to buy, sight unseen.
Like most 3-way towers, adequate clean RMS power is key. Good passive crossovers are helpful as is a very good wide-band EQ system.
Adding a sub or two can make things come to life as well. But in this case, an amp channel for the subs and a solid 2 channel amp for the mid/highs will probably help a lot.
Again, a wide band EQ, 12 bands per channel can do wonders.
Swez
MO on 02/26/2007 14:34:37
Well i either plan to go with a pair of BookShelf Speakers and a sub / 2.1 setup off the HK-3480
or
Go with a pair of 3 way towers like the CV's or JBL's off my HK-3480 or my oldschool 1989 sony 2 channel reciever
Help me out guys.. Thanks
ttocs on 02/26/2007 17:31:10
I had an old pair of RE35's by cv back in the day. I sold them to my parents and they are still enjoying them.
MO on 02/27/2007 17:37:27
Nice, I may go with 2 bookshelf speakers and a HSU-STF 2 or VTF 2 subwoofer from www.hsuresearch.com
That may be what i need.
swez on 02/27/2007 18:11:13
If you want a compact system, use bookshelf speakers that can go down to 60-100 Hz and still have solid power and performance. Then, use a powered sub to fill in the gaps.
Ahhh, the STF-2 seems like a good sub package. It's a powered sub and can go very low too. Not too big either. Just a single 10" sub, ported and easy to connect via speaker outs from a powered receiver or RCA line leve MONO as well. (200 Wrms is not bad in a smaller room)
The HB-1 looks like a very affordable mid/high full range system for your front stage. Power handling is very good and when filters are present in the amp or passive crossovers in the box, these would be a nice mix with the STF-2 powered sub.
The trick here, is to get good dispersion charateristics from the HB-1. Get them up off the floor so they don't get muddy or boomy. The sub will take care of the lows. A little placement experimentation will help find the sweet spot of these books. If you have some multi-band EQ, that will smooth out room peaks and dips as well.
Swez
MO on 02/27/2007 22:13:12
Well i have a HK-3480 2 channel reciever right now but i don't think it offers a EQ.
I also have a oldschool working 1989 Sony TA-AX390 which is a Integrated Stereo Amplifier with a 5 band EQ
With 8 ohm loads both channels driven, from 20 - 20,000Hz; rated 135 watts per channel minimum RMS power, with no more than 0.9% total harmonic distortion from 250 milliwatts to rated output.
Perhaps i could use this instead of the HK-3480 ?
I do plan to pick up the STF-2 and a pair of BookShelf speakers
swez on 02/27/2007 23:14:20
The Harmon Kardon HK-3480 seems like the best overall choice as it does have several IN/OUT for any combination as you wish. You can easily add a multi-band EQ via the Tape IN/OUT buss connections. I have used this feature in my Crown IC-150A preamp and it works very well. See the same features here, but only one tape IN/OUT. The Crown IC-150A has 2 tape IN/OUTS. Yes it's an older Preamp, but they made better gear back then.
This Integrated Tuner, preamp and amplifier system can handle both 4 and 8 ohm loads with plenty of RMS power. (Very low THD too)
http://www.harmankardon.com/product_detail.aspx?cat=REC&prod=HK%203480&sType=C
http://www.harmankardon.com/product_detail.aspx?cat=REC&prod=HK%203480&sType=C
See several input pairs to choose from, (CD, Phono, Vid 1-3 and dedicated Sub outs too. (Perfect!!!) A Sub Out allows easy adds of a powered sub too.
You are well on your way to a solid 3.1 + system here. Can always add rear channel speaker too, but no time delay circuits/filters to give a true 5.1 system performance.
Swez
With the 2 channel A/B speakers, this may allow you to use rear speakers too. (A+B) It's not a true 5.1 system, but depending on the the A/B speaker option.
MO on 02/27/2007 23:32:49
Not sure if my HK-3480 has a sub level control ?
Does the HB-1 cost $125 for a pair or just one speaker ?
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html
Eventually i whould like to build upto this setup here :
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/enthusiast2.html
and get a 5.1 channel reciever that whould compliment this setup.
swez on 02/28/2007 06:13:47
Your HK has a sub line output, but an amped sub would be required.
The STF-1 is amped, so that part is covered.
As for the HB-1, that is priced per unit. A pair will set ya back $250.00
Swez
MO on 02/28/2007 12:48:57
Swez i have narrowed it down between these bookshelf speakers
HSU HB-1
or
Klipsch Synergy B-3 Bookshelf / Best buy sells them for $313 a pair
Victor on 02/28/2007 14:52:41
Can we kinda add some more products onto the list??? i mean there are some comparitive options that wud be a nice setup too...
hope u dont mind me confusing onto this, but these are a few ones i personally prefer..
Dunno the USA pricing on them, but they are somewhat kinda on the higher side price wise in india..
http://www.energy-speakers.com/v2/products/pdfs/Veritas_i_manual.pdf
http://www.jamospeakers.com/admin/public/DWSDownload.aspx?File=Files/Filer/whitepaper/C 80 technical description.pdf
http://www.jamospeakers.com/admin/public/DWSDownload.aspx?File=Files/Filer/XML/ownermanuals/OM_D4_UK.pdf
http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20DM602%20S3
Out here they are priced around $ 400 to $600. but dude,, they are sure worth the money, every penny used to buy these, is an investment in an audiophile grade system..
Victor..
Probably you could buy the sub a bit later , and for now just be happy with a pair of these speakers, as you are planning to buld up a system step by step. this wud be a positive step towards building a great system you would enjoy for ages..
MO on 02/28/2007 18:02:59
Im mainly looking at bookshelves right now
Its going to be either the HSU HB-1 or the Klipsch b-3
Thanks for your suggestions.
Which one swez ?
Obviously i cant hear the HB-1 since its online.
swez on 03/1/2007 00:56:41
Nor can I... but this is why I suggested a good EQ in this package. With this tool, we can adjust speaker performance variables and compensate for listening room oddities.
Put your mind at rest... both speakers have the goods. A little EQ adjustment will make up the difference if you are not 100% pleased with the initial results.
Tech Tip: Room acoustics and speaker placement have a notable affect on what we hear. Prefer the wider dispersion characteristics in the highs and as natural as possible.
Everyone is different and there are no perfect fits for all situations. However, some added EQ can do wonders, once we know the room specific EQ needs.
Swez
I listen to mostly hiphop and dance music and have heard that these do really well with that type of material.
Have you had a chance to hear these SWEZ ?
I have a HK-3480 2 channel reciever right now.
Replies (16)
swez on 02/25/2007 16:10:58
Have not demo'd these personally, but this series has a few very good features. It is bi-amp capable and that is always a plus for better low bass and clean mids/highs. I would like to see the specs on them before making a more definitive yea or ney.
http://www.cerwinvega.com/index.html
This web site is very light on specs and technical info... :-(
Swez
MO on 02/25/2007 16:30:53
This is all i could find swez
http://www.cerwinvega.com/index.html
this is for the new model. The amazon link i gave you is from the last model year. They are both the same spec wise from what i could tell.
I did'nt see a owners manual pdf or anything else. Im leaning towards them so far unless i can find somthing better around the same price.
Victor on 02/26/2007 00:37:14
Luckily you got a CV guy out here... thats meeeeee.. GRIN..
Those are very good performing speakers, I have seem them do wonders when paired with a CLS-12S sub.
They would even sound well without a sub, pretty clean, tight and loud.
Definitely there are a few other comparitive options one would wanna look at like the JBL's.
Yes the CV website is too vague and little to no info on the products.
If you are looking for a brochure or a spec sheet of the CLS series speakers I could mail them to you.
The owners manual for the new series is still not out with the indian importer of CV, it shall be availabe in a weeks time. If you are looking for older user manuals then I could mail them to you..
Although not officially with us, but there is not difference between the CLS and the CLSC series except the outer look and design. Rest all specs remain the same.
Just a marketing gimmick u see...
Victor..
swez on 02/26/2007 00:45:50
Yes, I was thinking of you Victor... when this post appeared. Intuition tells me this is probably a very solid system when Bi-amped. However, without some real testing specs, am hesitant to throw the green light out for one to buy, sight unseen.
Like most 3-way towers, adequate clean RMS power is key. Good passive crossovers are helpful as is a very good wide-band EQ system.
Adding a sub or two can make things come to life as well. But in this case, an amp channel for the subs and a solid 2 channel amp for the mid/highs will probably help a lot.
Again, a wide band EQ, 12 bands per channel can do wonders.
Swez
MO on 02/26/2007 14:34:37
Well i either plan to go with a pair of BookShelf Speakers and a sub / 2.1 setup off the HK-3480
or
Go with a pair of 3 way towers like the CV's or JBL's off my HK-3480 or my oldschool 1989 sony 2 channel reciever
Help me out guys.. Thanks
ttocs on 02/26/2007 17:31:10
I had an old pair of RE35's by cv back in the day. I sold them to my parents and they are still enjoying them.
MO on 02/27/2007 17:37:27
Nice, I may go with 2 bookshelf speakers and a HSU-STF 2 or VTF 2 subwoofer from www.hsuresearch.com
That may be what i need.
swez on 02/27/2007 18:11:13
If you want a compact system, use bookshelf speakers that can go down to 60-100 Hz and still have solid power and performance. Then, use a powered sub to fill in the gaps.
Ahhh, the STF-2 seems like a good sub package. It's a powered sub and can go very low too. Not too big either. Just a single 10" sub, ported and easy to connect via speaker outs from a powered receiver or RCA line leve MONO as well. (200 Wrms is not bad in a smaller room)
The HB-1 looks like a very affordable mid/high full range system for your front stage. Power handling is very good and when filters are present in the amp or passive crossovers in the box, these would be a nice mix with the STF-2 powered sub.
The trick here, is to get good dispersion charateristics from the HB-1. Get them up off the floor so they don't get muddy or boomy. The sub will take care of the lows. A little placement experimentation will help find the sweet spot of these books. If you have some multi-band EQ, that will smooth out room peaks and dips as well.
Swez
MO on 02/27/2007 22:13:12
Well i have a HK-3480 2 channel reciever right now but i don't think it offers a EQ.
I also have a oldschool working 1989 Sony TA-AX390 which is a Integrated Stereo Amplifier with a 5 band EQ
With 8 ohm loads both channels driven, from 20 - 20,000Hz; rated 135 watts per channel minimum RMS power, with no more than 0.9% total harmonic distortion from 250 milliwatts to rated output.
Perhaps i could use this instead of the HK-3480 ?
I do plan to pick up the STF-2 and a pair of BookShelf speakers
swez on 02/27/2007 23:14:20
The Harmon Kardon HK-3480 seems like the best overall choice as it does have several IN/OUT for any combination as you wish. You can easily add a multi-band EQ via the Tape IN/OUT buss connections. I have used this feature in my Crown IC-150A preamp and it works very well. See the same features here, but only one tape IN/OUT. The Crown IC-150A has 2 tape IN/OUTS. Yes it's an older Preamp, but they made better gear back then.
This Integrated Tuner, preamp and amplifier system can handle both 4 and 8 ohm loads with plenty of RMS power. (Very low THD too)
http://www.harmankardon.com/product_detail.aspx?cat=REC&prod=HK%203480&sType=C
http://www.harmankardon.com/product_detail.aspx?cat=REC&prod=HK%203480&sType=C
See several input pairs to choose from, (CD, Phono, Vid 1-3 and dedicated Sub outs too. (Perfect!!!) A Sub Out allows easy adds of a powered sub too.
You are well on your way to a solid 3.1 + system here. Can always add rear channel speaker too, but no time delay circuits/filters to give a true 5.1 system performance.
Swez
With the 2 channel A/B speakers, this may allow you to use rear speakers too. (A+B) It's not a true 5.1 system, but depending on the the A/B speaker option.
MO on 02/27/2007 23:32:49
Not sure if my HK-3480 has a sub level control ?
Does the HB-1 cost $125 for a pair or just one speaker ?
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html
Eventually i whould like to build upto this setup here :
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/enthusiast2.html
and get a 5.1 channel reciever that whould compliment this setup.
swez on 02/28/2007 06:13:47
Your HK has a sub line output, but an amped sub would be required.
The STF-1 is amped, so that part is covered.
As for the HB-1, that is priced per unit. A pair will set ya back $250.00
Swez
MO on 02/28/2007 12:48:57
Swez i have narrowed it down between these bookshelf speakers
HSU HB-1
or
Klipsch Synergy B-3 Bookshelf / Best buy sells them for $313 a pair
Victor on 02/28/2007 14:52:41
Can we kinda add some more products onto the list??? i mean there are some comparitive options that wud be a nice setup too...
hope u dont mind me confusing onto this, but these are a few ones i personally prefer..
Dunno the USA pricing on them, but they are somewhat kinda on the higher side price wise in india..
http://www.energy-speakers.com/v2/products/pdfs/Veritas_i_manual.pdf
http://www.jamospeakers.com/admin/public/DWSDownload.aspx?File=Files/Filer/whitepaper/C 80 technical description.pdf
http://www.jamospeakers.com/admin/public/DWSDownload.aspx?File=Files/Filer/XML/ownermanuals/OM_D4_UK.pdf
http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20DM602%20S3
Out here they are priced around $ 400 to $600. but dude,, they are sure worth the money, every penny used to buy these, is an investment in an audiophile grade system..
Victor..
Probably you could buy the sub a bit later , and for now just be happy with a pair of these speakers, as you are planning to buld up a system step by step. this wud be a positive step towards building a great system you would enjoy for ages..
MO on 02/28/2007 18:02:59
Im mainly looking at bookshelves right now
Its going to be either the HSU HB-1 or the Klipsch b-3
Thanks for your suggestions.
Which one swez ?
Obviously i cant hear the HB-1 since its online.
swez on 03/1/2007 00:56:41
Nor can I... but this is why I suggested a good EQ in this package. With this tool, we can adjust speaker performance variables and compensate for listening room oddities.
Put your mind at rest... both speakers have the goods. A little EQ adjustment will make up the difference if you are not 100% pleased with the initial results.
Tech Tip: Room acoustics and speaker placement have a notable affect on what we hear. Prefer the wider dispersion characteristics in the highs and as natural as possible.
Everyone is different and there are no perfect fits for all situations. However, some added EQ can do wonders, once we know the room specific EQ needs.
Swez
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