I've been lookin around in thezeb.com and that little special they had on the lightning audio subs I might get. http://www.thezeb.com/caraudio/lightningaudiosubs.html
I have no idea how long the special is gonna last.
The specs are here. http://www.thezeb.com/caraudio/lightningaudiostormsubspecs.htm
The 12" is what i'm lookin at.
If I do get those subs what would be a good amp and a nice enclosure, or 2 enclosures to go with em?
Right now I'm gonna go broke gettin the subs. I can wait the month or so to get some money back to guy the amp/s and enclosure/s i'd need.
Thanks
Replies (10)
accusedmonk on 08/13/2003 12:31:08
So far, this is the closest thing to what I need that I could find.
http://www.audiobahninc.com/prod/amps/a1300hc.htm
A lot of the links on thezeb show nothing. Amazing prices though.
This isn't exactly for my Blazer, I'm buying ahead of myself so I won't have to later when I get a great car for what I'm getting. These would tear my Blazer apart...
Tray on 08/13/2003 13:11:49
http://www.earthquakesound.com/newpage54.htm
http://usamps.com/products/inv/usa-3000.htm
http://usamps.com/products/inv/usa-6000.htm
http://www.mmatsproaudio.com/classd.php
http://www.hlabs.com/technical/amplifiers/page3.html
http://maaudio.com/productcatalog.cfm?class=622
http://maaudio.com/productcatalog.cfm?class=621
http://www.orioncaraudio.com/amps/Dmono.asp
http://www.soundstream.com/sub/products_amps_tarantula.html
http://www.zapco.com/nosound/index3.html
accusedmonk on 08/13/2003 15:41:01
Ok, i'm buying those woofers as am typing this, well sort of. I'm buying the A2200HCX at thezeb.com http://www.thezeb.com/caraudio/audiobahn_specials.html#audiobahnamps
I can run the subs great a 1 ohm paralleled. If you guys think that's not a good match hurry up and tell me haha so I can change the order.
The only problem I'm gonna have now is the enclosures.
Ok it's bought, $925 that I'll have soon put to good use GRIN.
I did buy the Lightning Audio Amp kit as well, just in case, plus I needed the 140 amp circuit breaker...
I'm really hoping this all works out great, and it should with you guys to help when I need it along the way.
accusedmonk on 08/13/2003 16:00:37
I know I'm not gonna be able to push all that power with my little Blazer setup. It's only got an 85 amp alt, and I just bought an Optima Red Top rated at 980 cranking amps. That's not sufficient at all for what I just bought at higher levels, but that's why I'm gonna keep it low. I'm buying this mainly for future use in a car that's actually in my name haha....
Swez on 08/13/2003 15:49:02
Hey sport,
I think you are going to like those subs too. One thing you need to know... if you buy a pair, these are 2 ohm DVC's. You can wire them full parallel for a 0.5 ohm load or series/parallel for a net 2 ohm load.
The A1500HCX will deliver 1000 watts RMS @ 2 ohms, 2000 @ 1 ohm but it may not like a 0.5 ohm load at all. If you want 1000 watts to each sub, either choose a different amp that nets 2000 RMS @ 2 ohms or consider using 2 amps... 1 to each sub.
BTW, current draw for any amp rated at 1000 RMS or higher will be very large. Depending on the amp(s) you choose, looking at roughly 175 -200 amperes of current to power these puppies to full potential. Can you you say... major ALT/BAT upgrades and expense?
Finally, on the zeb site, there are web links on the top of each vendor listing that take you to the vendors home page. There, you can get the full details from the MFG on the products you are interested in.
Swez
accusedmonk on 08/13/2003 16:56:40
How would i wire them series parallel with only 2 subs?
I'm not gonna run this at full potential, now way for me to do it yet. But that's why I'm planning on it.
All this stuff is already bought by the way, I would rather wait and see what I could find but I wasn't sure how long the sale for the subs would last, and the amp wasnt gonna be up for long either.
If I wire the subs in parallel, wouldnt it be 1 ohm? And if it was .5, since that makes it easier to power, couldnt I just turn down the gains on the amp, and HU to compensate? That wouldn't allow it to push the amp.
accusedmonk on 08/14/2003 10:39:12
Since my subs are now on order, I'm looking for a great enclosure for them. From the specs on the sub, I'll need 5 cubic feet for both. The closest I've gotten to that so far is 18" for depth, 33" for length, and 16-18 for width. The 16" get's me somewhere around 5.07 cubic feet. I haven't done it exact, yet.
There's a place I'm visiting tomorrow I'm hoping builds boxes, I'll find that out. I really don't wanna build my own box, that would be cheaper, but i've been bored enough to build boxes from cardboard..... I'm gonna see if a friend of mine has an amp to use so he'll have some extra bass.
Since these are competition subs, they are better for high SPL, but if I make/get the right enclosure made just for these, would that help bring in some SQ as well?
One problem I'm gonna have at higher volumes is my ears going static on me. That's happened with my home stereo, the speakers sound a bit like static but step away and it sounds great. Just to much for the ear.
Swez on 08/14/2003 14:11:21
Same issue with the A2200 HCX amp... looking at 600 x 2 RMS per sub, when wired in 2 channel mode.
The A2300HCX is the pony you want to ride if you desire maximum SPL from your subs. Yeah, $100.00 more, but this will power each sub and then some.
Either way, the subs you have selected, are 2 ohm DVC's. This means you get either 1 or 4 ohms per sub, depending on how you wire them. If you bridged the amp and ran all VC's in parallel, have a 0.5 ohm load here and the amp may see that as a dead short and shut down.
It seems like you are confused about wiring DVC's. Not alone in this one, but is very simple math, once you get the picture. However, your best bet for now, is to use either amp mentioned in 2 channel mode and wire each sub DVC in parallel. One sub to each channel will net 600/1200 watts RMS per sub respectively.
NOTE: There is only a 3dB difference in SPL per sub if you go 600 or 1200 watts per sub. (amp dependent) That's 6dB total in SPL up or down, depending on the amp used. But the current draw between the 2 amps will be substantial.
A2200 HCX estimated current draw: >150A
A2300 HCX estimated current draw: >300A
That means one heck of an expense in ATL and BAT upgrades, if you shoot for the 2300 series. Mutilple batteries, battery isolator and a huge ALT!
As you are now planning to use the 2200 HCX, a few minor mods should do the job.
Oh yeah, 110 dB is pretty loud for subs, 120dB of sub action is going to damage your hearing and may cause irrepairable hearing loss w/o hearing protection. The higher you go above 120dB if SPL... gotta wear hearing protection or you will be deaf in no time.
Swez
accusedmonk on 08/15/2003 14:21:26
I recieved all what I ordered except for the kit. In one day the amp and subs were at my house, I like that.
I do see why you said full parallel, meaning both sides wired up. For now at least, I'm going to wire them series parallel, one reason being my car can't handle it in two ways, one being power required to run it, and two being my car will fall apart.
The subs I'm going to have to power them much more since they are only 86.3 decibals... Good thing is though I'll never be able to overpower em at least. Amp looks great too, all nice and chrome.
I'm gettin a boxed made for me at a place in a town next to me. The subs in a ported box require 5 cf, the box I'm gettin the guy said he'll make it at 6cf + I wasnt to sure what he said, talkin to fast. That will mean lower bass right?
If you have any suggestions for me I'll be glad to take em, I'm goin to put em in a temp spot for now in another box and test em.
Swez on 08/15/2003 17:13:38
The subs I'm going to have to power them much more since they are only 86.3 decibals... Good thing is though I'll never be able to overpower em at least. Amp looks great too, all nice and chrome"
That might be the sensitivity rating of the subs... 86.3dB at 1 watt at 1 meter from subs. With the power amp you have now, will be well into the 130's dB or maybe low 140's. (ported)
Seems to me, the best thing you can do about wiring the subs to amp, is wire each sub to its' own channel... Wire each sub as 1 ohm load off each channel. This will give you ~ 600 watts RMS per sub and is safe for the amp and subs.
Do you know how to do this?
Swez
I have no idea how long the special is gonna last.
The specs are here. http://www.thezeb.com/caraudio/lightningaudiostormsubspecs.htm
The 12" is what i'm lookin at.
If I do get those subs what would be a good amp and a nice enclosure, or 2 enclosures to go with em?
Right now I'm gonna go broke gettin the subs. I can wait the month or so to get some money back to guy the amp/s and enclosure/s i'd need.
Thanks
Replies (10)
accusedmonk on 08/13/2003 12:31:08
So far, this is the closest thing to what I need that I could find.
http://www.audiobahninc.com/prod/amps/a1300hc.htm
A lot of the links on thezeb show nothing. Amazing prices though.
This isn't exactly for my Blazer, I'm buying ahead of myself so I won't have to later when I get a great car for what I'm getting. These would tear my Blazer apart...
Tray on 08/13/2003 13:11:49
http://www.earthquakesound.com/newpage54.htm
http://usamps.com/products/inv/usa-3000.htm
http://usamps.com/products/inv/usa-6000.htm
http://www.mmatsproaudio.com/classd.php
http://www.hlabs.com/technical/amplifiers/page3.html
http://maaudio.com/productcatalog.cfm?class=622
http://maaudio.com/productcatalog.cfm?class=621
http://www.orioncaraudio.com/amps/Dmono.asp
http://www.soundstream.com/sub/products_amps_tarantula.html
http://www.zapco.com/nosound/index3.html
accusedmonk on 08/13/2003 15:41:01
Ok, i'm buying those woofers as am typing this, well sort of. I'm buying the A2200HCX at thezeb.com http://www.thezeb.com/caraudio/audiobahn_specials.html#audiobahnamps
I can run the subs great a 1 ohm paralleled. If you guys think that's not a good match hurry up and tell me haha so I can change the order.
The only problem I'm gonna have now is the enclosures.
Ok it's bought, $925 that I'll have soon put to good use GRIN.
I did buy the Lightning Audio Amp kit as well, just in case, plus I needed the 140 amp circuit breaker...
I'm really hoping this all works out great, and it should with you guys to help when I need it along the way.
accusedmonk on 08/13/2003 16:00:37
I know I'm not gonna be able to push all that power with my little Blazer setup. It's only got an 85 amp alt, and I just bought an Optima Red Top rated at 980 cranking amps. That's not sufficient at all for what I just bought at higher levels, but that's why I'm gonna keep it low. I'm buying this mainly for future use in a car that's actually in my name haha....
Swez on 08/13/2003 15:49:02
Hey sport,
I think you are going to like those subs too. One thing you need to know... if you buy a pair, these are 2 ohm DVC's. You can wire them full parallel for a 0.5 ohm load or series/parallel for a net 2 ohm load.
The A1500HCX will deliver 1000 watts RMS @ 2 ohms, 2000 @ 1 ohm but it may not like a 0.5 ohm load at all. If you want 1000 watts to each sub, either choose a different amp that nets 2000 RMS @ 2 ohms or consider using 2 amps... 1 to each sub.
BTW, current draw for any amp rated at 1000 RMS or higher will be very large. Depending on the amp(s) you choose, looking at roughly 175 -200 amperes of current to power these puppies to full potential. Can you you say... major ALT/BAT upgrades and expense?
Finally, on the zeb site, there are web links on the top of each vendor listing that take you to the vendors home page. There, you can get the full details from the MFG on the products you are interested in.
Swez
accusedmonk on 08/13/2003 16:56:40
How would i wire them series parallel with only 2 subs?
I'm not gonna run this at full potential, now way for me to do it yet. But that's why I'm planning on it.
All this stuff is already bought by the way, I would rather wait and see what I could find but I wasn't sure how long the sale for the subs would last, and the amp wasnt gonna be up for long either.
If I wire the subs in parallel, wouldnt it be 1 ohm? And if it was .5, since that makes it easier to power, couldnt I just turn down the gains on the amp, and HU to compensate? That wouldn't allow it to push the amp.
accusedmonk on 08/14/2003 10:39:12
Since my subs are now on order, I'm looking for a great enclosure for them. From the specs on the sub, I'll need 5 cubic feet for both. The closest I've gotten to that so far is 18" for depth, 33" for length, and 16-18 for width. The 16" get's me somewhere around 5.07 cubic feet. I haven't done it exact, yet.
There's a place I'm visiting tomorrow I'm hoping builds boxes, I'll find that out. I really don't wanna build my own box, that would be cheaper, but i've been bored enough to build boxes from cardboard..... I'm gonna see if a friend of mine has an amp to use so he'll have some extra bass.
Since these are competition subs, they are better for high SPL, but if I make/get the right enclosure made just for these, would that help bring in some SQ as well?
One problem I'm gonna have at higher volumes is my ears going static on me. That's happened with my home stereo, the speakers sound a bit like static but step away and it sounds great. Just to much for the ear.
Swez on 08/14/2003 14:11:21
Same issue with the A2200 HCX amp... looking at 600 x 2 RMS per sub, when wired in 2 channel mode.
The A2300HCX is the pony you want to ride if you desire maximum SPL from your subs. Yeah, $100.00 more, but this will power each sub and then some.
Either way, the subs you have selected, are 2 ohm DVC's. This means you get either 1 or 4 ohms per sub, depending on how you wire them. If you bridged the amp and ran all VC's in parallel, have a 0.5 ohm load here and the amp may see that as a dead short and shut down.
It seems like you are confused about wiring DVC's. Not alone in this one, but is very simple math, once you get the picture. However, your best bet for now, is to use either amp mentioned in 2 channel mode and wire each sub DVC in parallel. One sub to each channel will net 600/1200 watts RMS per sub respectively.
NOTE: There is only a 3dB difference in SPL per sub if you go 600 or 1200 watts per sub. (amp dependent) That's 6dB total in SPL up or down, depending on the amp used. But the current draw between the 2 amps will be substantial.
A2200 HCX estimated current draw: >150A
A2300 HCX estimated current draw: >300A
That means one heck of an expense in ATL and BAT upgrades, if you shoot for the 2300 series. Mutilple batteries, battery isolator and a huge ALT!
As you are now planning to use the 2200 HCX, a few minor mods should do the job.
Oh yeah, 110 dB is pretty loud for subs, 120dB of sub action is going to damage your hearing and may cause irrepairable hearing loss w/o hearing protection. The higher you go above 120dB if SPL... gotta wear hearing protection or you will be deaf in no time.
Swez
accusedmonk on 08/15/2003 14:21:26
I recieved all what I ordered except for the kit. In one day the amp and subs were at my house, I like that.
I do see why you said full parallel, meaning both sides wired up. For now at least, I'm going to wire them series parallel, one reason being my car can't handle it in two ways, one being power required to run it, and two being my car will fall apart.
The subs I'm going to have to power them much more since they are only 86.3 decibals... Good thing is though I'll never be able to overpower em at least. Amp looks great too, all nice and chrome.
I'm gettin a boxed made for me at a place in a town next to me. The subs in a ported box require 5 cf, the box I'm gettin the guy said he'll make it at 6cf + I wasnt to sure what he said, talkin to fast. That will mean lower bass right?
If you have any suggestions for me I'll be glad to take em, I'm goin to put em in a temp spot for now in another box and test em.
Swez on 08/15/2003 17:13:38
The subs I'm going to have to power them much more since they are only 86.3 decibals... Good thing is though I'll never be able to overpower em at least. Amp looks great too, all nice and chrome"
That might be the sensitivity rating of the subs... 86.3dB at 1 watt at 1 meter from subs. With the power amp you have now, will be well into the 130's dB or maybe low 140's. (ported)
Seems to me, the best thing you can do about wiring the subs to amp, is wire each sub to its' own channel... Wire each sub as 1 ohm load off each channel. This will give you ~ 600 watts RMS per sub and is safe for the amp and subs.
Do you know how to do this?
Swez
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