I got scammed out of $515 by a pos on a wheel deal. He is in michigan and I have been able to dig up two addresses(isnt' the internet beautifull) since he owes sprint $243. I told the sprint operator that i was his brother and mom was hurt and I needed to get through to him. He sent him a page with my number on it, hopefully getting a message on a phone that has been disconnected will make him think a little bit, as well as the arial photos of his house from mapquest and directions from indianapolis to his house. I am considerenig making the drive if I need to either file fraud and theft charges, or to bring some of my buddies............. how far away from farewell or grand ledge are ya?
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swez on 12/31/2006 16:49:57
Grand Ledge is about 175 miles one-way from where I live, just west out of Lansing off I-69.
You do realize this guy most probably does not have a pot to pee in or a window to toss it out of right?
Wondering if the MI State Police or a County Sheriff might be of some help on this one too? If you wish, shoot me an private e-mail and fill me in on the details. swezdp@juno.com
Heck ttocs, you have a 2nd career avenue here... a Bounty Hunter!
Swez
ttocs on 12/31/2006 17:34:13
I don't care if he has a pot to pee in er not, if he has to go beg/borrow/steal the money from mary, moses or jesus himself I will get my money back...........
pm sent
If anyone has any other good ideas of fun internet havoc we can enjoy. I really just want someone to take a picture of his house and email it to him to tell him if he isn't paranoid, he should be........
swez on 12/31/2006 17:51:33
Taking a pic of his house may just alert him to the fact you are on to something and if he's not caught with the goods on hand, it your word against his. Yes, you have some documentation via E-bay/PP, but if he pawned or sold them already, no other evidence unless the police investigate and find him and them together.
Hummm, thinking... what is the best way to recover your cash or goods legally? Were these wheels off your Momstang or other? Filing a police report is probably the best step for now. Yeah, it would be low on the totem pole for them unless he is wanted for other things too.
I got your PM's,
Swez
swez on 12/31/2006 17:58:35
That's Farewell Lake, just SW of Jackson, MI??? This is about 75 miles south of Grand Ledge and maybe 85 miles from me. Closer too, but each city is in a different county too.
Swez
cplkittle on 12/31/2006 18:17:18
I work for a company based out of Fremont, MI.
The owner's son is the one that works with me here in the south. He grew up in MI, and may have some friends that will help out.
Fremont is 100 miles from Grand Ledge, but he may have a friend or two in that area.
The guy that I work with here is one of those guys that is friends with everyone including some very well established people (Pete Coors for example) And most of them owe him a favor or two.
I will contact him and find out if he has any friends in that area, and see if we can get some P.I. action going.
ttocs on 12/31/2006 19:51:12
I looked up his address on mapquest(when I sent the area photo) and it was in the middle of the state.
NICHOLA MIKOLOWSKE
7755 LAKE DR
FAREWELL MI 48622
517-749-3831
he responded back this afternoon via email and said he would fax the receipts for the money orders but my phone still has not rang.
I don't care if he has the receipts or not, all I got was a piece of paper. I made sure not to handle it in hopes there was a finger print we could match up on it, if it goes that far.....
can you see where a money order was cashed in at? With me in As and him in MI it would not be hard to prove I didn't get it if it was cashed in somewhere else.......
ttocs on 12/31/2006 20:23:58
here is a link to a post I started to let everyone on the mustang forum know.
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2475871/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2480184
If you click on the links in my first post, one of them goes to an ebay sale for a single mustang wheel that he bought from jfrost, and then is trying to re-sell. If you look at jfrosts previous sales it looks like he is into grand prix's and mustangs. While doing a google search for the nicholas name I came across a michigan gran prix forum that he had been active on for some time. Seems strangly coinsidental that both jfrost and nick are into mustangs and grand prix's? I know alot of car guys and non of them would park those two in the same garage...... Do you know any people like that or is it just me????????
and now the internet fun begins on jfrost............ See what I can dig up..........
swez on 12/31/2006 21:03:33
Hummm, if he paid my Money Order, that has a ID number on it and may be traceable. If someone has indeed endorsed it or deposited into a bank or cashed same, the M.O. source should have a record of it passing through any banking system.
Can you get a fax copy of his MO receipt? If yes, then contact the MO vendor and identify yourself as the designated payee. Then ask if the MO was processed and ask for a copy of the endorsement side as well as the front side of the MO.
This may be as simple as getting his mail messed up where he sent you a copy of the invoice, but forgot to enclose the MO. Also, if he was doing several MO's to other sellers, he may have put your MO's in some other payee's envelope.
Either way, give this guy a "little" slack until you have all the facts. It's so easy to jump to conclusions when something dumb was all that happened. But at the same time, keep doing your homework too. There is a paper trail here somewhere. The trick is to discover how it flows and work backwards from there.
In the meantime, do some research on how MO's are process and tracked. This will give you some ideas on the flow and your legal recourses if there's a snafu in the works.
Let cool heads prevail, until the facts indicate fraud, deception or just a mailing foul up.
Swez
PS There is one other option to consider too... If you don't recover the payment or goods shipped, but have documentation of proof, file this as a loss on your income tax for 2006 and you will get either a tax refund in that amount or tax reductions to offset your losses. Either way, you will get some form of compensation as this is a loss of revenue or property. THINK
ttocs on 12/31/2006 21:24:51
he didn't send an invoice or reciept and maybe he meant to send that blank piece of paper from Big Boy to somebody else and it is just a mistake, but I ain't buyin it. Here is my most recent responce to him, it is long but tells the whole story. you know how normally I keep things short so this is strange for me and must be imortant:
I don't know if you made it to the forum today to check your adds. Looks like you are #1 on the for sale forum. Only been posted 10 hrs and I already have 2 pages, and 258 people that have viewed it....
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2475871/tm.htm
I wanted to let you know as there was already someone that replied back that I saved him some money as he was looking at buying the rims....... HASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
As I said, you used to sell alot of stuff online. I am only waiting for my new membership in the michigan gran prix forum to start the same havoc there, as well as waiting for the president of that forum to return my email, giving him the same link as above.
Listen man, I had a feeling you were lying to me about the condition of the wheels when I had you on the phone. When you were walking around your car and telling me the condition of each one, you hesitated on the last one. #1.) I could hear it in your voice and something told me you were lying to me but you later swore that they were prefect, so I let it slide. That simple little lie left you course of action since the wheels were obviously not perfect and you knew it. You hid it really well with the cell phone pics of them but you do remember me questioning the one wheel, where you again said it was perfect(I saved all of your emails and my responces)(lie #2.). You came up with a good plan telling me they were damaged while removing the tire(lie #3)l, and I would of believed it if I didn't have that nagging feeling from our conversation before, AND IF YOU HAD NOT SENT A PIC OF THE WHEEL, WITH THE TIRE ON IT, STILL ON THE CAR AND DAMAGED. At that point I was fairly sure that I would not see that money easily again and started to make sure that I had my i's dotted and t's crossed to make sure I could win in court, if needed. You might not remember that you said you had a police report to prove where it was damaged(lie #4), or you might not(be happy to forward that responce if you don't its all saved) but I do remember asking for a copy of the police report that you never did supply. Then you took a couple of days over christmas and I imagine you had a good time and bought yourself or someone special something nice with my money(since you obviously didn't pay your sprint bill) and was able to forget about this all right? but then it was over and now you needed to give me my money back as you promised via paypal. Of course you coule not do that since you do not have the cash(lie #5) so you said you would send the CASH via money order since your paypal account would not allow you to send over $500(lie #6 and lie #7 since you never sent them as promised). It was a good plan that allowed you to mark to paypal that the transaction had been completed and that you could at least hide fora couple of days till new year when I recieved the piece of paper. You may have gotten $515 worth of money orders and actually saved the reciepts to show you had them, but I do not know what you did with them as you did not mail it. You can even send those over if you want as I will add them to my pile of evidence to take to court as there is one final piece of evidence that you are not aware of: my close friend and nieghbor(the one with the fax machine) always go to the mailbox together as we use it as an excuse to walk our dogs, and he was in the room with me when I opened your letter and started cussing and going for my phone to call you. He didn't understand what happened at the time, but he will make an excellent witness as to being in the room, when I opened you letter and found your piece of paper. As I mentioned I was afraid that this was going to happen so I have kept that pice of paper and the envelopes have been in a plastic bag since shortly after opening them and taking a picture of them. I know that there will be a fingerprint or two of mine on there, but with the paper being folded 4 times I am sure there is still a fingerprint of yours on there. If that is the case you know that I will win a maximum judgement in a small claims court($5k in AZ!) since I will be able to prove you set out in this deal with the intent to defraud me, since nobody has touched that paper but me, you, and maybe a server at big boy. You would have been better off just send en empty envelope..........
ok, so I know that you were not really happy with the price on the wheels including shipping, but you said that there were perfect accepted the term of the contract which is in the comment section of the papal amount I sent you. You obviously agreed to these terms since you cashed the elecronic check that papal is. I made few calls to friends in Michigan and I have had a couple of other people offer to turn in what ever paperwork I would need your local PD to have(emails, pics, the paper and fingerprints) and I am sure this is all the your local DA would need for a fraud and grand theft charge to stick. When I had you on the phone and you were looking at the wheels and saying they were "perfect" you had the chance to say that there was one that was scratched and I bet for moment in yer mind you thought about it, but then lied. That little white lie that you thought you could cover obviously is not covered and led to a whole bunch of drama over the holidays, as well as probably a nice gift for your girl(or boy, what ever). But do you still not see that for making that ONE little lie about the condition, and taking the money is going to leave you much worse off then when you started. I will end up with $5k and a big smile and you will loose $5k, probalby serve a day or two in jail, and then be branded as a theif and a fraud for the rest of your life. You didn't do the right thing that night on the phone but you can still do the right thing now by just acting like a man, and admitting you are wrong and pay me back the $515 you took. As I said I will drop the internet assault but intil then I have to tell you that I still have a couple of tricks up my sleeve that has already been started, but can still be stopped.
I expect you to call/email me and tell me you were wrong and going to make good on it, or call me and tell me you are about to fax over the reciepts and the police report. If niether of these happen, get your soap on a rope ready.........................
still waiting for your responce you promised 3 hrs ago(lie #8).
do the right thing mang and of course you will notice that I sent this responce to myself, as I always do..........
ttocs on 12/31/2006 22:31:33
I forgot to say that in the reply that I sent this back to, he said he lost his camera and was waiting for his dad to come over so he could use it.....................
Too bad this guy keeps loosin stuff. First my money, then his money orders, now his money order receipts and his camera. sounds like if his head were not attached he would need wood screws................
ttocs on 12/31/2006 23:31:46
update, he said he sent the pictures of the MO reciepts, but all I see are red X's. I will forward it to swez, maybe he can read it................
ttocs on 01/1/2007 09:07:30
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
http://www.migpc.com/forumv2/viewtopic.php?p=21633#21633
swez on 01/1/2007 09:36:57
Hey Scott,
I got the fax pics and cannot make out all the details in the pics. The date looks like 12/28/06. (3:43 PM) Is that correct from your original copies? It also look like he did put a confirmation of delivery on same???
Chances are very good it would take 3-4 days to get this mail from MI to your place in AZ. So, best case, you'd get it on Saturday the 30th. Worst case, Tuesday the 2nd of Jan.
I do smell a rat here too bud. I also read your forum postings and such and now understand a lot more about the original transaction trail. If I understand this all correctly, you paid for the wheels, had ill feelings about the deal, cancelled the deal and asked for your money back. Then the wierd stuff started coming out... yadda... yadda.
OK, get all your documentation together and plan on filing a police report. I don't think I'd give this guy too much wiggle room. Nor would I give him too many details on your plan of action as he is obviously a slippery dude and has plenty of ways to hide. With any luck, this guy may have wants or warrants out on him already, but the police just have not caught up to him yet.
This issue may be enough for a more aggressive search on their part. I don't know the legal dividing line between petty larceny and grand theft fraud. However, that can be determined with a few quick phone calls to local police here, the County Sherrif's department of even MI State Police branch in his area. However, I would give this a few more days for the mail to cycle. (say... 1/5/07) If nothing by then, pull the legal trigger and get that in motion.
FYI: I had a recent transaction with one fellow and it took over 3 weeks to get his mail from Indy to MI, to Florida and back to MI. He did his part, but the mail system really messed up. To our mutal relief, I finally got his payment. However, there was no time in all this, where I did not trust his words. It was a pure and simple mail snafu.
I really do hope this is all you are dealing with now, but there seems to be enough evidence, (Red flags) to pursue this one deeper. Just don't tip your hand any more than you have to this guy. You know his name, have addresses on him and have enough documentation to put local authorities on his butt. Unfortunately, the wheels of justice turn slowly at times. Just make sure you have all the facts in order, before you pull the law into this one.
Swez
ttocs on 01/1/2007 11:37:12
I have not recieve a responce from him yet. I actually backed out of the deal about a week after I paid him, and he told me the wheel was damaged while removing the tire. When he notified me of the damage he offered to throw in a set of locking lugs, or let me back out and give me my money back.
As for his money order receipts who the heck does he think he is kidding....... With all of his internet dealing he says he does he doesn't understand the money order receipt? That would be #12 if he actually comes out and say it and I will tell him if he does.
Did you happen to check that address to see where it was in relation to you? If I could I would love to email that pic in the next day or two if you or someone you know near him could take that pic for me. I hate to involve others, all I want is a pic from a car driving by, I do not want anyone to get out as I don't plan on meeting the guy before the court date is set....
ttocs on 01/1/2007 12:05:51
I managed to decipher the pharmacy that the receipts are for as "glens pharmacy". Any chance you know where that is? the phone # is 989-463-0411 after doing a google search. It is closed till tommorow but I wonder if they have any records for the money orders purchased?
swez on 01/1/2007 14:29:41
Glen's is a small chain of grocery and phamacies here in central MI. Yes, I found them on Mapquest too. they are located in Clare, MI. I would recommend calling them and asking for any details they may have on that transaction. They should have a record of it: Time, date, amount, payee and buyer. Just tell them you are the payee on this transaction and have not received the MO yet. See what they can tell you about lost MO's or if this one has come back as redeemed or not. That will tell you a lot, before contacting the local authorities.
Clare, MI is just east of Farwell, MI and about 160 miles from me. This is located in Clare County, MI. The local Sherrif's Department is:
Clare County Sheriff Department
255 West Main
Harrison, MI 48625
989-539-7166
http://www.clareco.net/Sheriff/home.htm
OK Scott, we are talking Farwell, MI... NOT Farewell. Mapquest shows a home at that address noted above as well. Clare is only a few miles east of Farwell and this is where this guy seems to live.
NICHOLA MIKOLOWSKE
7755 LAKE DR
FARWELL MI 48622
517-749-3831
Keep your facts straight mang...
Swez
PS This guy is obviously strapped for cash. He probably got paid for Christmas and then bought the MO's on or about the 28th of December and mailed it. With Holiday mail volumes being so high, I would not be too surprised if it takes 4-5 days to reach you. Give it that much time, before you call out the Hounds of Hell OK?
PSS Yes, this guy may be on the shady side or perhaps just very sloppy and strapped for cash. Either way, show some restraint and allow the benefit of doubt to remain possible for just a few more days.
We would (hope) to behave well under such conditions, but others may not be "all there" while under such duress. Personally, I hope you do get your money back!!! (and owe him a genuine appology) But if this goes south altogether, then use the law to deal with Nick.
ttocs on 01/1/2007 14:41:39
sorry about the E...
I finally filed a report with the internet crime prevention center(IC3) after he threatoned legal action for harrasment and slander. Its not slander if its true and yes, I am harrasing the guy that owes me $500. IC3 is a branch of the fbi including the white coller crim prevention unitl. I didn't even need to get up or make a call. Thanks for the shiriff dept. I post that over there.
ttocs on 01/1/2007 22:28:29
it is amazing what I was just able to dig up. Pay attention to the mustang forum tommorow, if what I think I know is true its gonna be fuuuunnnnyy. I was cursing the internet 3 days ago and now I am laughing and no longer worried, he is done....
cplkittle on 01/1/2007 23:02:29
The USPS will be closed Jan 02 in observance of the death / funeral of President Ford. I have mailed a few things priority mail lately. Actually one went to Wisconsin with a delivery estimate of 2-4 days, and that is from Chattanooga TN.
I agree with Swez.. I would wait at least until the end of the week before I assumed that the payment was not sent.
I know you want this guy's butt in jail, but paypal is pretty ruthless when it comes to scams, have you gotten anywhere with them?
ttocs on 01/2/2007 06:47:25
hey kittle you need to read some more, follow the link above to the mustang forum.
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2475871/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm
Last night I found a grand prix forum that had 2 posts this year with people looking for him after he dissappeared after taking their money. About 5-10 others then chimed in on those poststhat they had lost 30-300 with him and also could not find him. He has already been kicked off of 2 other forums for scamming and he has already said he finished the sale by sending me my money back via email, but there was just a blank piece of paper....... I got what he mailed, when he said he mailed it. But it was not what he mailed........
Paypal has been closed do to the holidays, hoping to hear from them today as well as the IC3/FBI.
ttocs on 01/2/2007 12:35:18
glenns pharmacy was no use, they would not help get the MO #....
P0werLifter on 01/2/2007 13:06:33
Sounds phishy to me bro. I see your taking the proper steps and thats a good thing. I'm a Loss Prevention Manager (security) and believe me, there is always a paper trail. I'ts a pain in the ass but money leaves its smell whever it goes. May take a long time to trace it, but it will tell its story.
I'm not sure of the Laws in MI but here in California, anything over $500 is grand theft. Felony baby so when he gets caught, and if In fact he did handle this transaction with intent to defraud you, he will be spending some time.
So the confirmation number on the M.O. slip is full of Red X's? Does the email form look legit or like someone copied it off of a website and did a little photoshop to place in your name, address and money amount?
Keep up the work and remain patient even as hard as it is. Try to get others that have been scammed to call into the FBI's internet crime prevention center. The more people that come forward will show that this maggot has alot more dirty money and has defrauded a number of different people.
If I can be of any assistance, let me know.
Here is my email
Trailmastertoy@aol.com
Goodluck Bro
-Jason
P0werLifter on 01/2/2007 13:08:50
What did they tell you on the phone when you called the pharmacy? Could they even confirm that a M.O. was made?
-Jason
ttocs on 01/2/2007 14:24:17
Thanks man kind words and the offer. I do not see how he thinks he is gonna get out of it, he is soo busted... I am waiting for approval at the GTP site to get them to tell their stories as to IC3. Multiple counts as you said will make it hard for him to get out of it.
they said it is done through a machine, not at the counter. There is a person that comes in and services it much like an atm.
P0werLifter on 01/2/2007 15:16:44
Yah, it is done through a machine but someone at their business must have moderation of the machine, not just the tech. In my families business we have an ATM machine and we have the code/keys to get into the ATM and add money, take out money, change tapes, access history etc. I
Sounds to me that you might have got in contact with just a regular "peon" =). I might suggest calling back and asking to speak with the manager about the issue. More than likely he might have access to the machine and/or the records. Regardless of the "machine doing the transaction" they should have a transaction history.
Hell, most retail have some sort of CCTV Surveillance system and keep a record for up to 90 days of video so they can go back and review any transactions that might come up fraudulent or theft. 9 times out of 10 the smaller companies will just have them at the register (where money orders are also made).
If you havent done so yet, I would call the Local Law enforcement and file a report with them about the crime. They would have the ability to go and request video of the transaction / subject in question. All theft is serious, but theft over $500 is serious business.
Goodluck, Keep us informed
-Jason
ttocs on 01/2/2007 16:03:18
i did talk to the manager but she didn't want to help no matter how hard I begged. I asked to put herself in my shoes and she still would not help.
I was also able to find his home number after I stumbled across a site last night that had his ENTIRE family history on it, someone spent alot of time so it made it really easy to find who is parents were, how many times they had been married, his middle name matched his grandfathers ect....... With that I was able to finally talk to him today but he didn't have much to say. Shortly after that he posted and said I should be a man and call him with a new number with a chicago area code. damn tool.....
i called the local PD yesterday and talked to them. They said that they do not have anything to do with internet crimes. They did however show up and my door today as he called them saying I was harrasing them. After about a 10min conversation they left and said that it looked like I was the victim and good luck to me. nice guys and thankfully they didn't shoot my dog when I opened the door and she ran out gangbusterin ot get them...... Thank god she is only 15 lbs and cute er she might have had a new hole in her.
swez on 01/2/2007 18:19:16
After reading these and your other posts on the other sites, heck ya... you are thumpin all over his head. (Deservedly so)
Looks like you have to deal with the Internet Fraud people and Pay Pal as well. If he's done this before and others come into the frakus, you'll have plenty of ammunition on him from 360 points of the compass.
Since the MO has not been found and you don't know if it was cashed or by whom, this leaves a few open paper trails to track down. Right now, it's really a pissin contest of he said this, I said that and no hard evidence yet except your e-mails and complaints to seller and forum members.
This is the hard part... one has to think deviously to catch one. We all know you are as honest as a new born pup. So, getting inside this guys mind and thinking as he does, might be very challenging. (It's just not in your nature)
Wondering how a scammer like this would operate??? We would assume he lies, cheats and takes advantage of others when possible. That seems to be a given and repeated many times to perfection. Now, how does he get his payoff here?
If a check or MO is made out to cash, any can sign and deposit it into their account or take the cash. If you are the payee, either you sign and cash or someone forges your signature and cashes it. That's obvious fraud and forgery. (That may bring a felony rap)
Another thing bothers me here ttocs... The person at Glen's Pharmacy was not helpful one wit. Do they have an inside arrangement and get a cut too? Think about that one a mite. If this guy pays someone off at Glen's and does this perhaps many times a year, it could become a lucrative, tax free passive income too??? (As long as they don't get caught) This might be worth a closer look too.
Hummm, what would the deception trail look like in all this stuff?
Let's summarize what we do know so far:
1. You see these wheels and inquire
2. He sends some lousy pics
3. You send him a payment for good? (PayPal?)
4. You get an inkling that something's fishy and back out of the deal
5. You ask for your funds back
6. He sends you a traveable letter (covers his story... I sent him the money by USPS) But no MO in contents
7. He then provides proof of purchasing the MO's to the right amount (But that purchase was dated what... 12/28/06?)
8. When did you get his letter? (a few days before the 28th?)
Hummm, good question huh? Do the dates line up? (MO date and your original letter?)
OK, maybe he gets scared and figured he's playing with a smart dawg. So, gets the MO and mails it ASAP. He can now rightfully claim he did sent you payment. However to date, you have not yet received it. (Holiday mail snags?) That would be a best case scenario and get the "Hound from Hell" off his back when you get your dough.
Does any of this makes sense yet? Where's his game and how does he get away with such a deal, time after time? What does he hide behind when others confront him and PayPal latches on to all this? Surely PayPal has seen many a scam artist in action. How do they find holes in the contracts?
Swez
ttocs on 01/2/2007 18:54:34
I got him where I want him. Another internet buddy on another forum came up with the name and phone number at the 5 lakes house. The first name matched his mothers but she has apperently remarried as the last name is different. I called him up and maybe his step dad answered and asked who was calling? i told him to say it was scott from AZ I could then hear him put the phone down and say to nick what I told him too. I think I actually heard nick groan and it took a couple mins for him to pick up even though he was obviously in the room. I asked him if he would read off the MO# since I had him on the phone and he said he didn't have access to them. I asked politly to call back later and he said he would prefer I not call the house. I asked him when he would like to call me back he only said "probably not". he then posted there that I should be a man and call him at a new number with a chicago area code..
Oh year let me go back a little bit, my local pd showed up this afternoon to enquire about my harrassment. I told them the story and asked how it can be harrasment when I don't have a valid phone number for him, and his emails are now returned. EVERY bit of corrospondence we had done to that point was via the forum, a public forum, that he was choosing to read? The cops said that they thought I was the victim and to make sure I do not get myself in trouble with this and wished me luck. Nice guys.
and back we go. Shortly after I remided nick that he had my number from the biggining and I had repetedly asked him to call me he did. The first 15 mins ended with him screaming something at me and me screaming into my cellular speaker phone "I WILL MAKE SURE YOU ARE GOING TO FN JAIL YOU FN SCAMMER!" more then a few times. My good friend and neighbor actually heard me and come over at first to see what was up, and then just to watch. Nick eventually calmed down and said that he wanted to work this out. This was only after he commented that he was a little freeked out at ALL the info I had found(the police mentoined that he mentioned this as well) and described it as "psycho", I called it neat and fun and told him that was all to tell him he is invisable. Looks like my plan had the desired effectSMILE!. I posted on there what I expected him to do and told him to do the same so that we could have it in writting to take to court when needed, and that he needed to post his expectations of what should happen and we will meet in the middle. I posted my demands and I am waiting for him now. I told him to be complete and detailed in what he expected as this would be our new legal and binding contract. Basically it says if the money orders are cashed ANYWHERE but phoenix or my hometown(to remain nameless) while I am there next week that he is to initiat the responce to money gram to get my money back. I really do not see this happening as I think he is currently trying to find his new way out....... It will probably be some piece of bad evidence as he still swears that he put the money order in the envelope and just can't explain it.
I am gonna nail that SOB to the wall, but legally............ The pain of being labeled a thief and a fraud will last alot longer then anything phisically done to him. Sad to see someone sell a large portion of their future over $500 bucks but its his bed he made.....
swez on 01/2/2007 22:40:52
Ya know Scott, I've known you a long time on this and another forum. Have always respected your cool, low key demeanor on this and other sites too. I can see this is not just about the money too. This is a mission to be accomplished and some poor jerk that is jerking you around, is getting a boat load of grief. Yeah, he probably deserves it too.
Also, I really do hope this all resolves itself in due coarse. I mean hey... we hate getting screwed and don't like seeing others get screwed over either. Believe me, I had a belly full of them in the past 35 years... some little and some very big ones too. If you only knew what I am dealing with now, you'd understand the meaning of getting screwed over. Your sox would fall off if I mentioned it. But I won't. Not here or on any public forum. I did not create it... but intend to rectify the matter in time.
All this to say, I would be happy to help you in private, chat over the phone or do e-mails. But, is this really the right place for all this drama? Yes, if it happened on this forum, then a message warning would be most appropriate. But it happened elsewhere and I see you are indeed on top of the matters there. Good detective work and tenacity. CLAP But do we have to bring it all over here to CK?
We can see you are very hot under the collar on this issue and again, I really hope it comes to a positive resolution. Just asking one little favor from ya... not here OK? Would you do CK that small request?
Think about it mang... you'd be giving me the same advice if the situation were reversed. (At least I hope you would)
Peace,
Swez
Replies (29)
swez on 12/31/2006 16:49:57
Grand Ledge is about 175 miles one-way from where I live, just west out of Lansing off I-69.
You do realize this guy most probably does not have a pot to pee in or a window to toss it out of right?
Wondering if the MI State Police or a County Sheriff might be of some help on this one too? If you wish, shoot me an private e-mail and fill me in on the details. swezdp@juno.com
Heck ttocs, you have a 2nd career avenue here... a Bounty Hunter!
Swez
ttocs on 12/31/2006 17:34:13
I don't care if he has a pot to pee in er not, if he has to go beg/borrow/steal the money from mary, moses or jesus himself I will get my money back...........
pm sent
If anyone has any other good ideas of fun internet havoc we can enjoy. I really just want someone to take a picture of his house and email it to him to tell him if he isn't paranoid, he should be........
swez on 12/31/2006 17:51:33
Taking a pic of his house may just alert him to the fact you are on to something and if he's not caught with the goods on hand, it your word against his. Yes, you have some documentation via E-bay/PP, but if he pawned or sold them already, no other evidence unless the police investigate and find him and them together.
Hummm, thinking... what is the best way to recover your cash or goods legally? Were these wheels off your Momstang or other? Filing a police report is probably the best step for now. Yeah, it would be low on the totem pole for them unless he is wanted for other things too.
I got your PM's,
Swez
swez on 12/31/2006 17:58:35
That's Farewell Lake, just SW of Jackson, MI??? This is about 75 miles south of Grand Ledge and maybe 85 miles from me. Closer too, but each city is in a different county too.
Swez
cplkittle on 12/31/2006 18:17:18
I work for a company based out of Fremont, MI.
The owner's son is the one that works with me here in the south. He grew up in MI, and may have some friends that will help out.
Fremont is 100 miles from Grand Ledge, but he may have a friend or two in that area.
The guy that I work with here is one of those guys that is friends with everyone including some very well established people (Pete Coors for example) And most of them owe him a favor or two.
I will contact him and find out if he has any friends in that area, and see if we can get some P.I. action going.
ttocs on 12/31/2006 19:51:12
I looked up his address on mapquest(when I sent the area photo) and it was in the middle of the state.
NICHOLA MIKOLOWSKE
7755 LAKE DR
FAREWELL MI 48622
517-749-3831
he responded back this afternoon via email and said he would fax the receipts for the money orders but my phone still has not rang.
I don't care if he has the receipts or not, all I got was a piece of paper. I made sure not to handle it in hopes there was a finger print we could match up on it, if it goes that far.....
can you see where a money order was cashed in at? With me in As and him in MI it would not be hard to prove I didn't get it if it was cashed in somewhere else.......
ttocs on 12/31/2006 20:23:58
here is a link to a post I started to let everyone on the mustang forum know.
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2475871/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2480184
If you click on the links in my first post, one of them goes to an ebay sale for a single mustang wheel that he bought from jfrost, and then is trying to re-sell. If you look at jfrosts previous sales it looks like he is into grand prix's and mustangs. While doing a google search for the nicholas name I came across a michigan gran prix forum that he had been active on for some time. Seems strangly coinsidental that both jfrost and nick are into mustangs and grand prix's? I know alot of car guys and non of them would park those two in the same garage...... Do you know any people like that or is it just me????????
and now the internet fun begins on jfrost............ See what I can dig up..........
swez on 12/31/2006 21:03:33
Hummm, if he paid my Money Order, that has a ID number on it and may be traceable. If someone has indeed endorsed it or deposited into a bank or cashed same, the M.O. source should have a record of it passing through any banking system.
Can you get a fax copy of his MO receipt? If yes, then contact the MO vendor and identify yourself as the designated payee. Then ask if the MO was processed and ask for a copy of the endorsement side as well as the front side of the MO.
This may be as simple as getting his mail messed up where he sent you a copy of the invoice, but forgot to enclose the MO. Also, if he was doing several MO's to other sellers, he may have put your MO's in some other payee's envelope.
Either way, give this guy a "little" slack until you have all the facts. It's so easy to jump to conclusions when something dumb was all that happened. But at the same time, keep doing your homework too. There is a paper trail here somewhere. The trick is to discover how it flows and work backwards from there.
In the meantime, do some research on how MO's are process and tracked. This will give you some ideas on the flow and your legal recourses if there's a snafu in the works.
Let cool heads prevail, until the facts indicate fraud, deception or just a mailing foul up.
Swez
PS There is one other option to consider too... If you don't recover the payment or goods shipped, but have documentation of proof, file this as a loss on your income tax for 2006 and you will get either a tax refund in that amount or tax reductions to offset your losses. Either way, you will get some form of compensation as this is a loss of revenue or property. THINK
ttocs on 12/31/2006 21:24:51
he didn't send an invoice or reciept and maybe he meant to send that blank piece of paper from Big Boy to somebody else and it is just a mistake, but I ain't buyin it. Here is my most recent responce to him, it is long but tells the whole story. you know how normally I keep things short so this is strange for me and must be imortant:
I don't know if you made it to the forum today to check your adds. Looks like you are #1 on the for sale forum. Only been posted 10 hrs and I already have 2 pages, and 258 people that have viewed it....
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2475871/tm.htm
I wanted to let you know as there was already someone that replied back that I saved him some money as he was looking at buying the rims....... HASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
As I said, you used to sell alot of stuff online. I am only waiting for my new membership in the michigan gran prix forum to start the same havoc there, as well as waiting for the president of that forum to return my email, giving him the same link as above.
Listen man, I had a feeling you were lying to me about the condition of the wheels when I had you on the phone. When you were walking around your car and telling me the condition of each one, you hesitated on the last one. #1.) I could hear it in your voice and something told me you were lying to me but you later swore that they were prefect, so I let it slide. That simple little lie left you course of action since the wheels were obviously not perfect and you knew it. You hid it really well with the cell phone pics of them but you do remember me questioning the one wheel, where you again said it was perfect(I saved all of your emails and my responces)(lie #2.). You came up with a good plan telling me they were damaged while removing the tire(lie #3)l, and I would of believed it if I didn't have that nagging feeling from our conversation before, AND IF YOU HAD NOT SENT A PIC OF THE WHEEL, WITH THE TIRE ON IT, STILL ON THE CAR AND DAMAGED. At that point I was fairly sure that I would not see that money easily again and started to make sure that I had my i's dotted and t's crossed to make sure I could win in court, if needed. You might not remember that you said you had a police report to prove where it was damaged(lie #4), or you might not(be happy to forward that responce if you don't its all saved) but I do remember asking for a copy of the police report that you never did supply. Then you took a couple of days over christmas and I imagine you had a good time and bought yourself or someone special something nice with my money(since you obviously didn't pay your sprint bill) and was able to forget about this all right? but then it was over and now you needed to give me my money back as you promised via paypal. Of course you coule not do that since you do not have the cash(lie #5) so you said you would send the CASH via money order since your paypal account would not allow you to send over $500(lie #6 and lie #7 since you never sent them as promised). It was a good plan that allowed you to mark to paypal that the transaction had been completed and that you could at least hide fora couple of days till new year when I recieved the piece of paper. You may have gotten $515 worth of money orders and actually saved the reciepts to show you had them, but I do not know what you did with them as you did not mail it. You can even send those over if you want as I will add them to my pile of evidence to take to court as there is one final piece of evidence that you are not aware of: my close friend and nieghbor(the one with the fax machine) always go to the mailbox together as we use it as an excuse to walk our dogs, and he was in the room with me when I opened your letter and started cussing and going for my phone to call you. He didn't understand what happened at the time, but he will make an excellent witness as to being in the room, when I opened you letter and found your piece of paper. As I mentioned I was afraid that this was going to happen so I have kept that pice of paper and the envelopes have been in a plastic bag since shortly after opening them and taking a picture of them. I know that there will be a fingerprint or two of mine on there, but with the paper being folded 4 times I am sure there is still a fingerprint of yours on there. If that is the case you know that I will win a maximum judgement in a small claims court($5k in AZ!) since I will be able to prove you set out in this deal with the intent to defraud me, since nobody has touched that paper but me, you, and maybe a server at big boy. You would have been better off just send en empty envelope..........
ok, so I know that you were not really happy with the price on the wheels including shipping, but you said that there were perfect accepted the term of the contract which is in the comment section of the papal amount I sent you. You obviously agreed to these terms since you cashed the elecronic check that papal is. I made few calls to friends in Michigan and I have had a couple of other people offer to turn in what ever paperwork I would need your local PD to have(emails, pics, the paper and fingerprints) and I am sure this is all the your local DA would need for a fraud and grand theft charge to stick. When I had you on the phone and you were looking at the wheels and saying they were "perfect" you had the chance to say that there was one that was scratched and I bet for moment in yer mind you thought about it, but then lied. That little white lie that you thought you could cover obviously is not covered and led to a whole bunch of drama over the holidays, as well as probably a nice gift for your girl(or boy, what ever). But do you still not see that for making that ONE little lie about the condition, and taking the money is going to leave you much worse off then when you started. I will end up with $5k and a big smile and you will loose $5k, probalby serve a day or two in jail, and then be branded as a theif and a fraud for the rest of your life. You didn't do the right thing that night on the phone but you can still do the right thing now by just acting like a man, and admitting you are wrong and pay me back the $515 you took. As I said I will drop the internet assault but intil then I have to tell you that I still have a couple of tricks up my sleeve that has already been started, but can still be stopped.
I expect you to call/email me and tell me you were wrong and going to make good on it, or call me and tell me you are about to fax over the reciepts and the police report. If niether of these happen, get your soap on a rope ready.........................
still waiting for your responce you promised 3 hrs ago(lie #8).
do the right thing mang and of course you will notice that I sent this responce to myself, as I always do..........
ttocs on 12/31/2006 22:31:33
I forgot to say that in the reply that I sent this back to, he said he lost his camera and was waiting for his dad to come over so he could use it.....................
Too bad this guy keeps loosin stuff. First my money, then his money orders, now his money order receipts and his camera. sounds like if his head were not attached he would need wood screws................
ttocs on 12/31/2006 23:31:46
update, he said he sent the pictures of the MO reciepts, but all I see are red X's. I will forward it to swez, maybe he can read it................
ttocs on 01/1/2007 09:07:30
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
http://www.migpc.com/forumv2/viewtopic.php?p=21633#21633
swez on 01/1/2007 09:36:57
Hey Scott,
I got the fax pics and cannot make out all the details in the pics. The date looks like 12/28/06. (3:43 PM) Is that correct from your original copies? It also look like he did put a confirmation of delivery on same???
Chances are very good it would take 3-4 days to get this mail from MI to your place in AZ. So, best case, you'd get it on Saturday the 30th. Worst case, Tuesday the 2nd of Jan.
I do smell a rat here too bud. I also read your forum postings and such and now understand a lot more about the original transaction trail. If I understand this all correctly, you paid for the wheels, had ill feelings about the deal, cancelled the deal and asked for your money back. Then the wierd stuff started coming out... yadda... yadda.
OK, get all your documentation together and plan on filing a police report. I don't think I'd give this guy too much wiggle room. Nor would I give him too many details on your plan of action as he is obviously a slippery dude and has plenty of ways to hide. With any luck, this guy may have wants or warrants out on him already, but the police just have not caught up to him yet.
This issue may be enough for a more aggressive search on their part. I don't know the legal dividing line between petty larceny and grand theft fraud. However, that can be determined with a few quick phone calls to local police here, the County Sherrif's department of even MI State Police branch in his area. However, I would give this a few more days for the mail to cycle. (say... 1/5/07) If nothing by then, pull the legal trigger and get that in motion.
FYI: I had a recent transaction with one fellow and it took over 3 weeks to get his mail from Indy to MI, to Florida and back to MI. He did his part, but the mail system really messed up. To our mutal relief, I finally got his payment. However, there was no time in all this, where I did not trust his words. It was a pure and simple mail snafu.
I really do hope this is all you are dealing with now, but there seems to be enough evidence, (Red flags) to pursue this one deeper. Just don't tip your hand any more than you have to this guy. You know his name, have addresses on him and have enough documentation to put local authorities on his butt. Unfortunately, the wheels of justice turn slowly at times. Just make sure you have all the facts in order, before you pull the law into this one.
Swez
ttocs on 01/1/2007 11:37:12
I have not recieve a responce from him yet. I actually backed out of the deal about a week after I paid him, and he told me the wheel was damaged while removing the tire. When he notified me of the damage he offered to throw in a set of locking lugs, or let me back out and give me my money back.
As for his money order receipts who the heck does he think he is kidding....... With all of his internet dealing he says he does he doesn't understand the money order receipt? That would be #12 if he actually comes out and say it and I will tell him if he does.
Did you happen to check that address to see where it was in relation to you? If I could I would love to email that pic in the next day or two if you or someone you know near him could take that pic for me. I hate to involve others, all I want is a pic from a car driving by, I do not want anyone to get out as I don't plan on meeting the guy before the court date is set....
ttocs on 01/1/2007 12:05:51
I managed to decipher the pharmacy that the receipts are for as "glens pharmacy". Any chance you know where that is? the phone # is 989-463-0411 after doing a google search. It is closed till tommorow but I wonder if they have any records for the money orders purchased?
swez on 01/1/2007 14:29:41
Glen's is a small chain of grocery and phamacies here in central MI. Yes, I found them on Mapquest too. they are located in Clare, MI. I would recommend calling them and asking for any details they may have on that transaction. They should have a record of it: Time, date, amount, payee and buyer. Just tell them you are the payee on this transaction and have not received the MO yet. See what they can tell you about lost MO's or if this one has come back as redeemed or not. That will tell you a lot, before contacting the local authorities.
Clare, MI is just east of Farwell, MI and about 160 miles from me. This is located in Clare County, MI. The local Sherrif's Department is:
Clare County Sheriff Department
255 West Main
Harrison, MI 48625
989-539-7166
http://www.clareco.net/Sheriff/home.htm
OK Scott, we are talking Farwell, MI... NOT Farewell. Mapquest shows a home at that address noted above as well. Clare is only a few miles east of Farwell and this is where this guy seems to live.
NICHOLA MIKOLOWSKE
7755 LAKE DR
FARWELL MI 48622
517-749-3831
Keep your facts straight mang...
Swez
PS This guy is obviously strapped for cash. He probably got paid for Christmas and then bought the MO's on or about the 28th of December and mailed it. With Holiday mail volumes being so high, I would not be too surprised if it takes 4-5 days to reach you. Give it that much time, before you call out the Hounds of Hell OK?
PSS Yes, this guy may be on the shady side or perhaps just very sloppy and strapped for cash. Either way, show some restraint and allow the benefit of doubt to remain possible for just a few more days.
We would (hope) to behave well under such conditions, but others may not be "all there" while under such duress. Personally, I hope you do get your money back!!! (and owe him a genuine appology) But if this goes south altogether, then use the law to deal with Nick.
ttocs on 01/1/2007 14:41:39
sorry about the E...
I finally filed a report with the internet crime prevention center(IC3) after he threatoned legal action for harrasment and slander. Its not slander if its true and yes, I am harrasing the guy that owes me $500. IC3 is a branch of the fbi including the white coller crim prevention unitl. I didn't even need to get up or make a call. Thanks for the shiriff dept. I post that over there.
ttocs on 01/1/2007 22:28:29
it is amazing what I was just able to dig up. Pay attention to the mustang forum tommorow, if what I think I know is true its gonna be fuuuunnnnyy. I was cursing the internet 3 days ago and now I am laughing and no longer worried, he is done....
cplkittle on 01/1/2007 23:02:29
The USPS will be closed Jan 02 in observance of the death / funeral of President Ford. I have mailed a few things priority mail lately. Actually one went to Wisconsin with a delivery estimate of 2-4 days, and that is from Chattanooga TN.
I agree with Swez.. I would wait at least until the end of the week before I assumed that the payment was not sent.
I know you want this guy's butt in jail, but paypal is pretty ruthless when it comes to scams, have you gotten anywhere with them?
ttocs on 01/2/2007 06:47:25
hey kittle you need to read some more, follow the link above to the mustang forum.
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2475871/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm
Last night I found a grand prix forum that had 2 posts this year with people looking for him after he dissappeared after taking their money. About 5-10 others then chimed in on those poststhat they had lost 30-300 with him and also could not find him. He has already been kicked off of 2 other forums for scamming and he has already said he finished the sale by sending me my money back via email, but there was just a blank piece of paper....... I got what he mailed, when he said he mailed it. But it was not what he mailed........
Paypal has been closed do to the holidays, hoping to hear from them today as well as the IC3/FBI.
ttocs on 01/2/2007 12:35:18
glenns pharmacy was no use, they would not help get the MO #....
P0werLifter on 01/2/2007 13:06:33
Sounds phishy to me bro. I see your taking the proper steps and thats a good thing. I'm a Loss Prevention Manager (security) and believe me, there is always a paper trail. I'ts a pain in the ass but money leaves its smell whever it goes. May take a long time to trace it, but it will tell its story.
I'm not sure of the Laws in MI but here in California, anything over $500 is grand theft. Felony baby so when he gets caught, and if In fact he did handle this transaction with intent to defraud you, he will be spending some time.
So the confirmation number on the M.O. slip is full of Red X's? Does the email form look legit or like someone copied it off of a website and did a little photoshop to place in your name, address and money amount?
Keep up the work and remain patient even as hard as it is. Try to get others that have been scammed to call into the FBI's internet crime prevention center. The more people that come forward will show that this maggot has alot more dirty money and has defrauded a number of different people.
If I can be of any assistance, let me know.
Here is my email
Trailmastertoy@aol.com
Goodluck Bro
-Jason
P0werLifter on 01/2/2007 13:08:50
What did they tell you on the phone when you called the pharmacy? Could they even confirm that a M.O. was made?
-Jason
ttocs on 01/2/2007 14:24:17
Thanks man kind words and the offer. I do not see how he thinks he is gonna get out of it, he is soo busted... I am waiting for approval at the GTP site to get them to tell their stories as to IC3. Multiple counts as you said will make it hard for him to get out of it.
they said it is done through a machine, not at the counter. There is a person that comes in and services it much like an atm.
P0werLifter on 01/2/2007 15:16:44
Yah, it is done through a machine but someone at their business must have moderation of the machine, not just the tech. In my families business we have an ATM machine and we have the code/keys to get into the ATM and add money, take out money, change tapes, access history etc. I
Sounds to me that you might have got in contact with just a regular "peon" =). I might suggest calling back and asking to speak with the manager about the issue. More than likely he might have access to the machine and/or the records. Regardless of the "machine doing the transaction" they should have a transaction history.
Hell, most retail have some sort of CCTV Surveillance system and keep a record for up to 90 days of video so they can go back and review any transactions that might come up fraudulent or theft. 9 times out of 10 the smaller companies will just have them at the register (where money orders are also made).
If you havent done so yet, I would call the Local Law enforcement and file a report with them about the crime. They would have the ability to go and request video of the transaction / subject in question. All theft is serious, but theft over $500 is serious business.
Goodluck, Keep us informed
-Jason
ttocs on 01/2/2007 16:03:18
i did talk to the manager but she didn't want to help no matter how hard I begged. I asked to put herself in my shoes and she still would not help.
I was also able to find his home number after I stumbled across a site last night that had his ENTIRE family history on it, someone spent alot of time so it made it really easy to find who is parents were, how many times they had been married, his middle name matched his grandfathers ect....... With that I was able to finally talk to him today but he didn't have much to say. Shortly after that he posted and said I should be a man and call him with a new number with a chicago area code. damn tool.....
i called the local PD yesterday and talked to them. They said that they do not have anything to do with internet crimes. They did however show up and my door today as he called them saying I was harrasing them. After about a 10min conversation they left and said that it looked like I was the victim and good luck to me. nice guys and thankfully they didn't shoot my dog when I opened the door and she ran out gangbusterin ot get them...... Thank god she is only 15 lbs and cute er she might have had a new hole in her.
swez on 01/2/2007 18:19:16
After reading these and your other posts on the other sites, heck ya... you are thumpin all over his head. (Deservedly so)
Looks like you have to deal with the Internet Fraud people and Pay Pal as well. If he's done this before and others come into the frakus, you'll have plenty of ammunition on him from 360 points of the compass.
Since the MO has not been found and you don't know if it was cashed or by whom, this leaves a few open paper trails to track down. Right now, it's really a pissin contest of he said this, I said that and no hard evidence yet except your e-mails and complaints to seller and forum members.
This is the hard part... one has to think deviously to catch one. We all know you are as honest as a new born pup. So, getting inside this guys mind and thinking as he does, might be very challenging. (It's just not in your nature)
Wondering how a scammer like this would operate??? We would assume he lies, cheats and takes advantage of others when possible. That seems to be a given and repeated many times to perfection. Now, how does he get his payoff here?
If a check or MO is made out to cash, any can sign and deposit it into their account or take the cash. If you are the payee, either you sign and cash or someone forges your signature and cashes it. That's obvious fraud and forgery. (That may bring a felony rap)
Another thing bothers me here ttocs... The person at Glen's Pharmacy was not helpful one wit. Do they have an inside arrangement and get a cut too? Think about that one a mite. If this guy pays someone off at Glen's and does this perhaps many times a year, it could become a lucrative, tax free passive income too??? (As long as they don't get caught) This might be worth a closer look too.
Hummm, what would the deception trail look like in all this stuff?
Let's summarize what we do know so far:
1. You see these wheels and inquire
2. He sends some lousy pics
3. You send him a payment for good? (PayPal?)
4. You get an inkling that something's fishy and back out of the deal
5. You ask for your funds back
6. He sends you a traveable letter (covers his story... I sent him the money by USPS) But no MO in contents
7. He then provides proof of purchasing the MO's to the right amount (But that purchase was dated what... 12/28/06?)
8. When did you get his letter? (a few days before the 28th?)
Hummm, good question huh? Do the dates line up? (MO date and your original letter?)
OK, maybe he gets scared and figured he's playing with a smart dawg. So, gets the MO and mails it ASAP. He can now rightfully claim he did sent you payment. However to date, you have not yet received it. (Holiday mail snags?) That would be a best case scenario and get the "Hound from Hell" off his back when you get your dough.
Does any of this makes sense yet? Where's his game and how does he get away with such a deal, time after time? What does he hide behind when others confront him and PayPal latches on to all this? Surely PayPal has seen many a scam artist in action. How do they find holes in the contracts?
Swez
ttocs on 01/2/2007 18:54:34
I got him where I want him. Another internet buddy on another forum came up with the name and phone number at the 5 lakes house. The first name matched his mothers but she has apperently remarried as the last name is different. I called him up and maybe his step dad answered and asked who was calling? i told him to say it was scott from AZ I could then hear him put the phone down and say to nick what I told him too. I think I actually heard nick groan and it took a couple mins for him to pick up even though he was obviously in the room. I asked him if he would read off the MO# since I had him on the phone and he said he didn't have access to them. I asked politly to call back later and he said he would prefer I not call the house. I asked him when he would like to call me back he only said "probably not". he then posted there that I should be a man and call him at a new number with a chicago area code..
Oh year let me go back a little bit, my local pd showed up this afternoon to enquire about my harrassment. I told them the story and asked how it can be harrasment when I don't have a valid phone number for him, and his emails are now returned. EVERY bit of corrospondence we had done to that point was via the forum, a public forum, that he was choosing to read? The cops said that they thought I was the victim and to make sure I do not get myself in trouble with this and wished me luck. Nice guys.
and back we go. Shortly after I remided nick that he had my number from the biggining and I had repetedly asked him to call me he did. The first 15 mins ended with him screaming something at me and me screaming into my cellular speaker phone "I WILL MAKE SURE YOU ARE GOING TO FN JAIL YOU FN SCAMMER!" more then a few times. My good friend and neighbor actually heard me and come over at first to see what was up, and then just to watch. Nick eventually calmed down and said that he wanted to work this out. This was only after he commented that he was a little freeked out at ALL the info I had found(the police mentoined that he mentioned this as well) and described it as "psycho", I called it neat and fun and told him that was all to tell him he is invisable. Looks like my plan had the desired effectSMILE!. I posted on there what I expected him to do and told him to do the same so that we could have it in writting to take to court when needed, and that he needed to post his expectations of what should happen and we will meet in the middle. I posted my demands and I am waiting for him now. I told him to be complete and detailed in what he expected as this would be our new legal and binding contract. Basically it says if the money orders are cashed ANYWHERE but phoenix or my hometown(to remain nameless) while I am there next week that he is to initiat the responce to money gram to get my money back. I really do not see this happening as I think he is currently trying to find his new way out....... It will probably be some piece of bad evidence as he still swears that he put the money order in the envelope and just can't explain it.
I am gonna nail that SOB to the wall, but legally............ The pain of being labeled a thief and a fraud will last alot longer then anything phisically done to him. Sad to see someone sell a large portion of their future over $500 bucks but its his bed he made.....
swez on 01/2/2007 22:40:52
Ya know Scott, I've known you a long time on this and another forum. Have always respected your cool, low key demeanor on this and other sites too. I can see this is not just about the money too. This is a mission to be accomplished and some poor jerk that is jerking you around, is getting a boat load of grief. Yeah, he probably deserves it too.
Also, I really do hope this all resolves itself in due coarse. I mean hey... we hate getting screwed and don't like seeing others get screwed over either. Believe me, I had a belly full of them in the past 35 years... some little and some very big ones too. If you only knew what I am dealing with now, you'd understand the meaning of getting screwed over. Your sox would fall off if I mentioned it. But I won't. Not here or on any public forum. I did not create it... but intend to rectify the matter in time.
All this to say, I would be happy to help you in private, chat over the phone or do e-mails. But, is this really the right place for all this drama? Yes, if it happened on this forum, then a message warning would be most appropriate. But it happened elsewhere and I see you are indeed on top of the matters there. Good detective work and tenacity. CLAP But do we have to bring it all over here to CK?
We can see you are very hot under the collar on this issue and again, I really hope it comes to a positive resolution. Just asking one little favor from ya... not here OK? Would you do CK that small request?
Think about it mang... you'd be giving me the same advice if the situation were reversed. (At least I hope you would)
Peace,
Swez
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