okay, i am having problems figuring out what kind of subs to get with my new Audiobahn A8002T amp. its 2 channel, 800 watt rms, and i am planning on getting some 10" audiobahn subs. im just confused on what kind of subs will work on 2 ohms. some of my friends have told me you can wire a sub with dual 4 ohm coils to run on 2ohms, but thats it. THINK someone help me out here.. thanks, murph
Replies (19)
compvr15s on 08/12/2003 03:15:42
yea you can take a dual 2 ohm sub and wire it to 4 ohms, there are many wiring options, 2 8omh subs will get you 4 ohms, goto jlaudio.com under tutorials i think they have a diagram, also crutchfield has one. how many subs do you want to run? 2 dual 4 ohm subs will get you 4 ohms.
heres the link http://jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/index.html
Swez on 08/12/2003 07:22:37
What you'll need here are a pair of DVC 10's 2/4/8 ohm version subs.
Wiring each sub in series will give you an 8 ohm load. Then wire both 8 ohm susbs in prallel to amp for a 4 ohm load and bridge the amp to MONO. This nets 800 RMS from the amp to a 4 ohm load... plenty of bass power here.
If you like Bahn subs to go with this amp, here are a few choice to consider:
AW1006T 10" Subwoofer w/ dual 4ohm voice coils - 900 watts RMS $ 251.99 each
AW1000Q 10" Subwoofer w/ dual 4ohm voice coils - 600 watts RMS $ 176.99 each
AW101T 10" Subwoofer w/ 4ohm voice coil - 450 watts RMS
$ 139.99 each
AW102T 10" Subwoofer w/ 4ohm voice coil - 450 watts RMS
$ 130.99 each
AWC10T 10" Subwoofer w/ dual 4ohm voice coils - 400 watts RMS $ 92.99 each
All these can be found at: http://www.thezeb.com/caraudio/audiobahn_subwoofers.html
or you can shop oter websies and E-bay for lower prices.
Note: Some of these subs can be used in either sealed or ported enclosures. Go to the Bahn web site for details on which subs are designed for Sealed, Ported or both enclosures. The space you have available will dictate the box size and style to use.
Swez
PS Here's a link to woofers by Bahn: http://www.audiobahninc.com/products/woofers/
heart_beat on 08/12/2003 16:20:29
thanks guys the info will def help in the future. im planning on getting 2 10's in a sealed box running a 2 ohm load... and ill probably go with AW1000Q's so i can pump out 400 watts to each at 2ohms.. thanks again, murph
heart_beat on 08/12/2003 16:33:09
ah ha... i looked at JL's diagram.. that def cleared things up for me. looks like ill have to get 2 SVC's to run a 2 ohm load to each. thanks compvr15s :)
Swez on 08/12/2003 18:33:06
Just make sure you have subs that can take 400 watts RMS each for this amp.... that's why I mentioned the DVC's as they tend to have more power handling capacity over SVC versions.
Not true always, but almost a universal rule in car audio. But yeah... a pair of SVC's are a lot easier to wire.
Swez
heart_beat on 08/12/2003 20:01:10
yeah, i have heard dvcs could handle more power, but i couldnt find any way i could wire two 4 ohm dvc's to run a 2 ohm load...
Swez on 08/12/2003 21:13:44
Hey Murph,
Uhmmmm, you are right... cannot get 2 ohms from a pair of DVC subs! But the goal is not what you state... or we are not on the same page yet.
Read the specs, this amp is rated at 400 RMS per channel @ 2 ohms per channel. There are no 2 ohm SVC subs. (I am aware of)
If you bridge the amp to mono, it will only take a 4 ohm load and not lower. The only way to get this kind of load with 2 subs are to use a pair of DVC subs. (2/4/8)
If you wish to keep the amp in 2 channel mode, you can do this too. But to get a 2 ohm load per channel, same deal... a DVC 2/4/8 ohm sub is needed.
Either way you slice it, still need a pair of 2/4/8 DVC subs.
NOTE: the only other exception... is if you run 4 subs off this amp. Then a pair of 4 ohm SVC's per channel will get you there.
Hope that clears up the confusion... The AW1000Q's are a good match and are 2/4/8/ ohm DVC's.
Swez
heart_beat on 08/12/2003 21:44:05
ok... this **** is confusing...lol...how would i wire in the aw1000q's?
heart_beat on 08/12/2003 21:54:26
ohhh okay, someone correct me if im wrong, but on the wiring diagrams at http://jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/index.html they are showing the setups with a mono amp, and where it shows the 1 sub parallel wiring, i could just wire both 4 ohm dvc's in parallel (since i have a 2 channel amp) and run a 2 ohm load just as they run a 2ohm load to the one dual 4 ohm sub in the diagram.
... that may be really confusing... but thanks!
Swez on 08/13/2003 08:40:49
This is confusing to many and you are not alone.
There are 2 options to wire your 2 AW1000Q's to the amp mentioned.
1. Wire sub A voice coils in parallel for a 2 ohm load and connect this to channel #1 of your amp. Do the same thing with Sub B and channel #2 . This is safe and will deliver full power to each sub and is the simplest way to get the job done. This is called a 2 channel configuration.
2. Now, if you choose to bridge this amp to a single larger MONO amp, a different wiring scheme is needed to hit he magic 4 ohms.
STEPS:
a. Wire sub A voice coils in series for an 8 ohm load
b. Do the same for sub B
c. Now, wire both subs A & B in parallel to the amp for a 4 ohm load
The JL audio site has a diagram of how to accomplish this. You are using the Dual-4 Ohm Subwoofer: 4 Ohms option off this page:http://www.jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/index.html#2dvcsp
Hope this clarifies what to do and how it is done.
Good luck and take your time Murph. Any questions, just ask!
Swez
heart_beat on 08/13/2003 10:15:53
isn't it a great feeling when everything finally starts to click... thanks swez for all your help. now i have just one more question.. can you buy wires that are made for these configurations or what should i do there?
ps. aw1000q's ordered and on their way GRIN
Tray on 08/13/2003 13:40:34
Speaker cable is sufficient for this. I would recommend using at least 14 awg. I like to use 12, or even 10, but it is not necessary, I just like the look.
Here's a link to a pretty good selection, from a site that it recommended very frequently here, and on many other forums I visit.
http://www.knukonceptz.com/search_results.asp?txtsearchParamTxt=&txtsearchParamCat=4&txtsearchParamType=ALL&iLevel=1&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSearch&btnSearch.x=9&btnSearch.y=8
heart_beat on 08/13/2003 14:42:30
hmmm i was told to use 4 gauge THINK... but what i meant was a split wire so that i can wire my subs in parallel without having to cut wires... thanks for your help though
Swez on 08/13/2003 15:40:22
You can make you own wires. I would use #12 or maybe #10 gage wire you can buy from any hardware store. Just make sure it's braided copper and not solid core wire. It's cheeap too.
So, which way are you going on the wiring plan? 2 channel or MONO?
Swez
heart_beat on 08/13/2003 22:09:56
cool... much less expensive too... i think im going to go with the easier 2 channel setup... the aw1000q's wont work on 4 ohms, will they?... oh yeah, im planning on making my own sealed box, and im wanting a looser sounding bass, so i think im going to make it with the max volume of .95 ft^3, without any sort of filling... what are your comments on this? good, bad?
well im out~ murph
heart_beat on 08/14/2003 16:14:46
Yo, i was just wondering if this brand of wiring is any good... it sounds alright to me, but heres what comes in the kit...
(1) 25FT RCA DIGITAL INTERCONNECT AUDIO CABLE,
TRIPLE SHIELDED WITH BUILT-IN REMOTE TURN ON WIRE
AND RIGHT ANGLE ENDS FOR A TRICK INSTALL.
(1) 4 GAUGE 20 FT RED POWER CABLE (HIGH QUALITY)
(1) 4 GAUGE 4 FT SUPER GOLD GROUND CABLE
(1) 35FT OFC 12 GAUGE SPEAKER CABLE
(1) 20FT BLUE REMOTE TURN ON WIRE 16 GAUGE
(1) 80 AMP GOLD PLATED AGU FUSE
(1) 4 GAUGE GOLD RING TERMINAL
(1) 6 FT 4 GAUGE BLACK SPLIT LOOM FOR CABLE
PROTECTION AND ORGANIZATION
(4) FEMALE DISCONN. 14-16GA, 1/4"
(2) RING TERMINALS 4GA ID:S/16"
(2) SPADE TERMINALS 4GA ID:10#
(5) SPADE TERMINALS 14-16 GA.ID:8#
(3) SELF TAPPING SCREWS
(5) RUBBER GROMMETS
(20) BLACK CABLE TIES
(2) BUTT CONNECTOR 18-22GA RED
(1) BUTT CONNECTOR 4GA RED
Thanks, murph
compvr15s on 08/15/2003 21:04:50
the way i look at it is wire is wire, there may be different application for them, like i wouldnt use the wire you run through your house in your car, its a single thick wire, audio wire is many fine wires wrapped around each other, so pretty much any audio wire is going to be fine, the kit that you noted seems pefectly fine. for example, my brother had a dodge shelby, with 2 15's back in the day, he used home rcas, and some type of power and ground wire, it sounded really good, he prolly only spent 20 or 30 bucks for all his wiring, me on the other hand, i spend 35 for stinger power wire, another 7 for stinger ground, about 65 for 2 sets of stinger rcas and probably 10 or 15 for 10 awg stinger speaker wire. thats about 120 dollars and mine probably didnt sound much better than his did. just as long as the wire is suited for its application i dont think brand really matters, other may disagree and i may be wronge but ive heard lots of systems with expensive wires and lots with cheap and most sounded ok. as long as your wires are connected correctly and good grounds everything should be fine. good luck wait for the pros tho
heart_beat on 08/15/2003 22:12:37
hey, i went ahead and ordered that kit, cuz 1. it was cheap 2. it has about everything i need 3. i want to have it shortly after i get my subs/ amp so i can get everyhting hooked up ASAP.. cant wait to here the bahn's thump
thanks alot, murph
Swez on 08/15/2003 23:31:06
Can you start a new post here... this one is getting too hard to review on wide format.
Call it "Murps system" pt 2. OK?
Thanks,
Swez
Replies (19)
compvr15s on 08/12/2003 03:15:42
yea you can take a dual 2 ohm sub and wire it to 4 ohms, there are many wiring options, 2 8omh subs will get you 4 ohms, goto jlaudio.com under tutorials i think they have a diagram, also crutchfield has one. how many subs do you want to run? 2 dual 4 ohm subs will get you 4 ohms.
heres the link http://jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/index.html
Swez on 08/12/2003 07:22:37
What you'll need here are a pair of DVC 10's 2/4/8 ohm version subs.
Wiring each sub in series will give you an 8 ohm load. Then wire both 8 ohm susbs in prallel to amp for a 4 ohm load and bridge the amp to MONO. This nets 800 RMS from the amp to a 4 ohm load... plenty of bass power here.
If you like Bahn subs to go with this amp, here are a few choice to consider:
AW1006T 10" Subwoofer w/ dual 4ohm voice coils - 900 watts RMS $ 251.99 each
AW1000Q 10" Subwoofer w/ dual 4ohm voice coils - 600 watts RMS $ 176.99 each
AW101T 10" Subwoofer w/ 4ohm voice coil - 450 watts RMS
$ 139.99 each
AW102T 10" Subwoofer w/ 4ohm voice coil - 450 watts RMS
$ 130.99 each
AWC10T 10" Subwoofer w/ dual 4ohm voice coils - 400 watts RMS $ 92.99 each
All these can be found at: http://www.thezeb.com/caraudio/audiobahn_subwoofers.html
or you can shop oter websies and E-bay for lower prices.
Note: Some of these subs can be used in either sealed or ported enclosures. Go to the Bahn web site for details on which subs are designed for Sealed, Ported or both enclosures. The space you have available will dictate the box size and style to use.
Swez
PS Here's a link to woofers by Bahn: http://www.audiobahninc.com/products/woofers/
heart_beat on 08/12/2003 16:20:29
thanks guys the info will def help in the future. im planning on getting 2 10's in a sealed box running a 2 ohm load... and ill probably go with AW1000Q's so i can pump out 400 watts to each at 2ohms.. thanks again, murph
heart_beat on 08/12/2003 16:33:09
ah ha... i looked at JL's diagram.. that def cleared things up for me. looks like ill have to get 2 SVC's to run a 2 ohm load to each. thanks compvr15s :)
Swez on 08/12/2003 18:33:06
Just make sure you have subs that can take 400 watts RMS each for this amp.... that's why I mentioned the DVC's as they tend to have more power handling capacity over SVC versions.
Not true always, but almost a universal rule in car audio. But yeah... a pair of SVC's are a lot easier to wire.
Swez
heart_beat on 08/12/2003 20:01:10
yeah, i have heard dvcs could handle more power, but i couldnt find any way i could wire two 4 ohm dvc's to run a 2 ohm load...
Swez on 08/12/2003 21:13:44
Hey Murph,
Uhmmmm, you are right... cannot get 2 ohms from a pair of DVC subs! But the goal is not what you state... or we are not on the same page yet.
Read the specs, this amp is rated at 400 RMS per channel @ 2 ohms per channel. There are no 2 ohm SVC subs. (I am aware of)
If you bridge the amp to mono, it will only take a 4 ohm load and not lower. The only way to get this kind of load with 2 subs are to use a pair of DVC subs. (2/4/8)
If you wish to keep the amp in 2 channel mode, you can do this too. But to get a 2 ohm load per channel, same deal... a DVC 2/4/8 ohm sub is needed.
Either way you slice it, still need a pair of 2/4/8 DVC subs.
NOTE: the only other exception... is if you run 4 subs off this amp. Then a pair of 4 ohm SVC's per channel will get you there.
Hope that clears up the confusion... The AW1000Q's are a good match and are 2/4/8/ ohm DVC's.
Swez
heart_beat on 08/12/2003 21:44:05
ok... this **** is confusing...lol...how would i wire in the aw1000q's?
heart_beat on 08/12/2003 21:54:26
ohhh okay, someone correct me if im wrong, but on the wiring diagrams at http://jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/index.html they are showing the setups with a mono amp, and where it shows the 1 sub parallel wiring, i could just wire both 4 ohm dvc's in parallel (since i have a 2 channel amp) and run a 2 ohm load just as they run a 2ohm load to the one dual 4 ohm sub in the diagram.
... that may be really confusing... but thanks!
Swez on 08/13/2003 08:40:49
This is confusing to many and you are not alone.
There are 2 options to wire your 2 AW1000Q's to the amp mentioned.
1. Wire sub A voice coils in parallel for a 2 ohm load and connect this to channel #1 of your amp. Do the same thing with Sub B and channel #2 . This is safe and will deliver full power to each sub and is the simplest way to get the job done. This is called a 2 channel configuration.
2. Now, if you choose to bridge this amp to a single larger MONO amp, a different wiring scheme is needed to hit he magic 4 ohms.
STEPS:
a. Wire sub A voice coils in series for an 8 ohm load
b. Do the same for sub B
c. Now, wire both subs A & B in parallel to the amp for a 4 ohm load
The JL audio site has a diagram of how to accomplish this. You are using the Dual-4 Ohm Subwoofer: 4 Ohms option off this page:http://www.jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/index.html#2dvcsp
Hope this clarifies what to do and how it is done.
Good luck and take your time Murph. Any questions, just ask!
Swez
heart_beat on 08/13/2003 10:15:53
isn't it a great feeling when everything finally starts to click... thanks swez for all your help. now i have just one more question.. can you buy wires that are made for these configurations or what should i do there?
ps. aw1000q's ordered and on their way GRIN
Tray on 08/13/2003 13:40:34
Speaker cable is sufficient for this. I would recommend using at least 14 awg. I like to use 12, or even 10, but it is not necessary, I just like the look.
Here's a link to a pretty good selection, from a site that it recommended very frequently here, and on many other forums I visit.
http://www.knukonceptz.com/search_results.asp?txtsearchParamTxt=&txtsearchParamCat=4&txtsearchParamType=ALL&iLevel=1&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSearch&btnSearch.x=9&btnSearch.y=8
heart_beat on 08/13/2003 14:42:30
hmmm i was told to use 4 gauge THINK... but what i meant was a split wire so that i can wire my subs in parallel without having to cut wires... thanks for your help though
Swez on 08/13/2003 15:40:22
You can make you own wires. I would use #12 or maybe #10 gage wire you can buy from any hardware store. Just make sure it's braided copper and not solid core wire. It's cheeap too.
So, which way are you going on the wiring plan? 2 channel or MONO?
Swez
heart_beat on 08/13/2003 22:09:56
cool... much less expensive too... i think im going to go with the easier 2 channel setup... the aw1000q's wont work on 4 ohms, will they?... oh yeah, im planning on making my own sealed box, and im wanting a looser sounding bass, so i think im going to make it with the max volume of .95 ft^3, without any sort of filling... what are your comments on this? good, bad?
well im out~ murph
heart_beat on 08/14/2003 16:14:46
Yo, i was just wondering if this brand of wiring is any good... it sounds alright to me, but heres what comes in the kit...
(1) 25FT RCA DIGITAL INTERCONNECT AUDIO CABLE,
TRIPLE SHIELDED WITH BUILT-IN REMOTE TURN ON WIRE
AND RIGHT ANGLE ENDS FOR A TRICK INSTALL.
(1) 4 GAUGE 20 FT RED POWER CABLE (HIGH QUALITY)
(1) 4 GAUGE 4 FT SUPER GOLD GROUND CABLE
(1) 35FT OFC 12 GAUGE SPEAKER CABLE
(1) 20FT BLUE REMOTE TURN ON WIRE 16 GAUGE
(1) 80 AMP GOLD PLATED AGU FUSE
(1) 4 GAUGE GOLD RING TERMINAL
(1) 6 FT 4 GAUGE BLACK SPLIT LOOM FOR CABLE
PROTECTION AND ORGANIZATION
(4) FEMALE DISCONN. 14-16GA, 1/4"
(2) RING TERMINALS 4GA ID:S/16"
(2) SPADE TERMINALS 4GA ID:10#
(5) SPADE TERMINALS 14-16 GA.ID:8#
(3) SELF TAPPING SCREWS
(5) RUBBER GROMMETS
(20) BLACK CABLE TIES
(2) BUTT CONNECTOR 18-22GA RED
(1) BUTT CONNECTOR 4GA RED
Thanks, murph
compvr15s on 08/15/2003 21:04:50
the way i look at it is wire is wire, there may be different application for them, like i wouldnt use the wire you run through your house in your car, its a single thick wire, audio wire is many fine wires wrapped around each other, so pretty much any audio wire is going to be fine, the kit that you noted seems pefectly fine. for example, my brother had a dodge shelby, with 2 15's back in the day, he used home rcas, and some type of power and ground wire, it sounded really good, he prolly only spent 20 or 30 bucks for all his wiring, me on the other hand, i spend 35 for stinger power wire, another 7 for stinger ground, about 65 for 2 sets of stinger rcas and probably 10 or 15 for 10 awg stinger speaker wire. thats about 120 dollars and mine probably didnt sound much better than his did. just as long as the wire is suited for its application i dont think brand really matters, other may disagree and i may be wronge but ive heard lots of systems with expensive wires and lots with cheap and most sounded ok. as long as your wires are connected correctly and good grounds everything should be fine. good luck wait for the pros tho
heart_beat on 08/15/2003 22:12:37
hey, i went ahead and ordered that kit, cuz 1. it was cheap 2. it has about everything i need 3. i want to have it shortly after i get my subs/ amp so i can get everyhting hooked up ASAP.. cant wait to here the bahn's thump
thanks alot, murph
Swez on 08/15/2003 23:31:06
Can you start a new post here... this one is getting too hard to review on wide format.
Call it "Murps system" pt 2. OK?
Thanks,
Swez
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