What do you think about this sub for $160 w/ free shipping?
http://www.cardomain.com/item/MTXSLHT4510A
How much would i need ($$) to buy a decent amp?
thanks
and i know that is a decent sub..but what about this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-MTX-Thunder-Loaded-Box-3-10-Subs-Subwoofers-FS-NR_W0QQitemZ110069845760QQihZ001QQcategoryZ32823QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
3 10''s for $50 less..i cant make up my mind!
Replies (7)
ttocs on 12/23/2006 10:40:11
I have not heard that sub yet.
I can make ya a deal on some polk db104's new in the box, $35 each + shipping if you want.
lilschtive on 12/23/2006 12:58:38
no thanks on those polks
Ash on 12/23/2006 18:53:12
I have always respected MTX and the other Mitek companies, yet there is something disturbing about that subs power handling. The individual sub is rated at 225 rms but, that link states all the 4500 series are capable of up to 675 rms? Must be a misprint because that is a peculiarly wide range.
Either way, the 4500 series is a step or two above the Road Thunder's. I'm not too fond of the the RT's specs and reviews show evidence of that. Three RT's will no doubt move more air than one 4500 even ported. It is the quality that you will have to question.
I say go to the website and do some more research before diving. I think they still have a active comparison chart between all their subs (very interesting too).
Too be honest, I think there are better deals for that price. What you're mainly paying for is the enclosure.
Porkee113 on 12/23/2006 19:16:02
i have 2 12" road thunders in my car. there alright but when i turn it up the subs dont hit right and it doesnt hit lows that well. i want to upgrade to the 7500 but i dont have much money so im gonna have to wait.
Ash on 12/23/2006 19:34:21
The problem with those subs is in the market trend for a robust woofer (higher Qts value). These type of subs are usually overly strong in the upper bass frequencies, don't mate well with the cars acoustics, call for large enclosures to reach a smooth response, and lack good transient response.
They're just marketing subs that sound loud & boomy. Something to make a unknowing consumer want them at first listen. Only later will a person realize how lousy sounding they really are.
swez on 12/23/2006 23:44:56
I have an older pair of RT 12's and have fiddled with them a little. In a 0.85 - 1.0 cf sealed box, they do sound surprisingly decent. Started with a 1.25 cf sealed as recommended by Mitek and found them too boomy and sloppy. The next version, chopped the boxes to 1.1 and still a bit boomy, but good deep lows. Just remember, these are 4 ohm SVC's and can handle only 225 watts RMS or so.
Swez
Ash on 12/24/2006 14:19:17
Pay attention to a lot of the "quality" subs out there and you will notice that most of them utilize lower Qts values. They use less space and present a higher rolloff (sealed) that easily blends with the auto envrionment.
If you notice how Swez stated that in a larger enclosure it was boomy. Normally that is what you would expect with too small of a box (high Q value), right? Well as we know,with most auto's, there is a natural rise in frequency (cabin gain, transfer function, etc). If the box -F3hz goes below that you could get the same effect.
You almost always want a smooth response (low Qtc), but with a higher rolloff (50-80hz dependent on vehicle and tastes). This helps match the car's acoustics to present a smooth frequency response.
The lower Q drivers are more capable of doing this without large enclosures.
http://www.cardomain.com/item/MTXSLHT4510A
How much would i need ($$) to buy a decent amp?
thanks
and i know that is a decent sub..but what about this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-MTX-Thunder-Loaded-Box-3-10-Subs-Subwoofers-FS-NR_W0QQitemZ110069845760QQihZ001QQcategoryZ32823QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
3 10''s for $50 less..i cant make up my mind!
Replies (7)
ttocs on 12/23/2006 10:40:11
I have not heard that sub yet.
I can make ya a deal on some polk db104's new in the box, $35 each + shipping if you want.
lilschtive on 12/23/2006 12:58:38
no thanks on those polks
Ash on 12/23/2006 18:53:12
I have always respected MTX and the other Mitek companies, yet there is something disturbing about that subs power handling. The individual sub is rated at 225 rms but, that link states all the 4500 series are capable of up to 675 rms? Must be a misprint because that is a peculiarly wide range.
Either way, the 4500 series is a step or two above the Road Thunder's. I'm not too fond of the the RT's specs and reviews show evidence of that. Three RT's will no doubt move more air than one 4500 even ported. It is the quality that you will have to question.
I say go to the website and do some more research before diving. I think they still have a active comparison chart between all their subs (very interesting too).
Too be honest, I think there are better deals for that price. What you're mainly paying for is the enclosure.
Porkee113 on 12/23/2006 19:16:02
i have 2 12" road thunders in my car. there alright but when i turn it up the subs dont hit right and it doesnt hit lows that well. i want to upgrade to the 7500 but i dont have much money so im gonna have to wait.
Ash on 12/23/2006 19:34:21
The problem with those subs is in the market trend for a robust woofer (higher Qts value). These type of subs are usually overly strong in the upper bass frequencies, don't mate well with the cars acoustics, call for large enclosures to reach a smooth response, and lack good transient response.
They're just marketing subs that sound loud & boomy. Something to make a unknowing consumer want them at first listen. Only later will a person realize how lousy sounding they really are.
swez on 12/23/2006 23:44:56
I have an older pair of RT 12's and have fiddled with them a little. In a 0.85 - 1.0 cf sealed box, they do sound surprisingly decent. Started with a 1.25 cf sealed as recommended by Mitek and found them too boomy and sloppy. The next version, chopped the boxes to 1.1 and still a bit boomy, but good deep lows. Just remember, these are 4 ohm SVC's and can handle only 225 watts RMS or so.
Swez
Ash on 12/24/2006 14:19:17
Pay attention to a lot of the "quality" subs out there and you will notice that most of them utilize lower Qts values. They use less space and present a higher rolloff (sealed) that easily blends with the auto envrionment.
If you notice how Swez stated that in a larger enclosure it was boomy. Normally that is what you would expect with too small of a box (high Q value), right? Well as we know,with most auto's, there is a natural rise in frequency (cabin gain, transfer function, etc). If the box -F3hz goes below that you could get the same effect.
You almost always want a smooth response (low Qtc), but with a higher rolloff (50-80hz dependent on vehicle and tastes). This helps match the car's acoustics to present a smooth frequency response.
The lower Q drivers are more capable of doing this without large enclosures.
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