is it hard to change subs from box to box?
because i was thinking about getting 2 12" alpine type-r's and sealing them for my first box. then maybe later making a ported box once i learn about it more and know what im doing.
Replies (12)
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 11/1/2006 21:39:20
This is not really difficult at all, just 8 screws and some simple wiring. I mean so simple it's not even worth thinking of it as a hinderance at all. Just make sure you retian the foam gasket, or can get another one.
swez on 11/1/2006 21:47:10
In general, it's not difficult to swap subs from one box to another. The main issue is a good screwdriver bit that seats tight on the screwheads used. Phillips #2 heads work very well.
WARNING: DO NOT USE SLOTTED HEADS as they can slip easily and you'll wind up punching a hole in the cone or surround. (It happens a lot when guys get careless pr use cheap tools)
These are pretty heavy subs. So, if using self-tapping screws, (recommended) use #8-10 x 1" sheet metal screws. They have an aggressive thread and hold very well too.
TIP: When drilling into fresh wood like MDF, "ALWAYS" use a pilot hole (3/32" bit) for each screw. This helps start the screw well and small enough to get plenty of bite into the wood.
If you use a pair of Alpine Type R's and want to go sealed, look for a box that gives about 0.88 cf per chamber. (SEALED)
Alpine suggests a sealed box volume: 0.57-1.00 cu. ft.
The compact box ( 0.57 cf) is OK for minimal deep bass and very good punch. Power handling is good in this compact box, but low end bass will be lacking too. In a 1.0 cf chamber, the low bass will be strong and very lttle punch. However, a common prefab box is easy to find between 0.75 - 0.90 cf/chamber.
Got all that?
swez
lukeduke28 on 11/1/2006 22:53:10
i just cant decide if i want to make the easy sealed box or attempt to make a harder ported box. i kno ported is louder, but i dont know if i can amke the port right and stuff.
lol, amazingly i understood most of that..
swez on 11/1/2006 23:13:03
Until you have ALL of that stuff down and well fixed in the mind, stick to sealed boxes for now.
It's not that ported/vented boxes are all that hard. But the details are much more important and somewhat more complex... if you don't want fire wood in the end, that is. SMILE
swez
lukeduke28 on 11/2/2006 00:06:05
exactly what i was thinking..
i cant wait to start building, but until chrismas comes. im stuck with stock stuff.. may be gettin new HU. not sure yet. i want to, but i dont want to get it and then not know how to put it in and have to spend $$$ for the dumb local shop to put it in..
swez on 11/2/2006 09:45:16
Well, you have plenty of time to "research" HU's and search their manuals about install info.
I find Crutchfield has a lot of good information and manuals on their site. There, you can search for products that fit your vehicle, note any speacial adapters that may be required and research many great HU's available there. Try the "What fits my car" section first:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-5yHu0YmZUPZ/cgi-bin/autoinfo/autoinfo.asp?vehicleid=0&typeCH=car&vb=Y&lp=%2FS-5yHu0YmZUPZ%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fprodgroup%2Easp%3Fg%3D300%26avf%3DY%26skipvs%3DT
Crutch is not the cheapest guy in town. So you may look elsewhere for your purchasing. However, they do provide useful install tips, diagrams and good tech service too.
FYI: It is always a good plan to map out each phase of an install on paper. This helps a newbie to review & learn all the key steps, before they dive into a given phase of a project.
TIP: Any new task seems confussing at the beginning stages. But if we break them down into bite size steps, we can then see a specific tree that is to be worked on, in the forest of trees we'll deal with later.
If one masters that skill early in life, the process can be used for many complex plans, projects and decisions to be made as we go along through life. (Ie: Education path, work/career, picking a good mate, buying expensive things, managing conflict and learning how to invest)
Q. How does one eat an Elephant?
A. One bite at a time!
If you need some coaching about learning and using this life process skill sets, start a new topic line and I'll walk you through the basics to give you a feel for how this works OK? It will be a long series of Q & A's and probably wind up as a useful FAQ on the site for others as well.
swez
PS It is a wise man who uses the knowledge base others have accumulated. Don't be afraid to ask questions. There is no such thing as a stupid question! (Well, almost...)
We are all "ignorant", (Not aware of specific details) in one thing or another as we pass through life. However, we don't have to remain ignorant forever. However, "stupid"... is getting the answers we need and then disregarding them to our own peril. ;-)
lukeduke28 on 11/2/2006 18:20:05
well i am looking at this http://ikesound.com/product-product_id/5364
that HU is the same price on there and ebay, but that site was a warranty so i figured it would be better.
i have tried the crutch vehicle match finder thing before. i dont really like it because it only shows like 20 results that fit. i know there are more than that i can find that would fit.
swez on 11/2/2006 23:31:29
Does you Cavi have the Monsoon Radio Kit installed in it?
There's usually a good reason why Crutch offers a short list of HU's that fit your vehicle. To be on the safe side, it might be a good idea to call them and ask why such a limited selection for your car.
Some GM vehicles have oddball fit needs or if you have certain car features linked to door chimes or steering wheel controls, then you'll know there are (expensive) specialty kits needs here.
I forget which vehicles are included, but some require an installer to mount the Factory HU elsewhere in the car, and use the aftermarket HU for audio needs. If you have one of these, it's not a good place to cut your baby teeth on huh?
See what I mean:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-2wotBeH7kvI/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=120GMRC01
How's that for a work-a-round option?
Swez
lukeduke28 on 11/3/2006 00:49:26
i know that if i dont get that adaptor thing that my chimes will be gone. i dont really want to spent 80 + install for something to tell me my keys are in the ignition..
i think there is some other special harness to mount the factory HU in the car, but im sure it is expensive too. but there isnt anything bad that could come out of losing the chimes, so im not real worried about it.
i just want to get the HU and try to put it in. im soo ready to have that in my dash. the one i have now is really ugly, it will be a huge improvement.
swez on 11/3/2006 09:28:48
That Metra Kit looks like a piezo element speaker and probably a small circuit board trigger circuit as well. (circuit detector)
http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/120/120GMRC01.PDF
Yeah, one can live w/o some of those features and be fine too. Those feature are not a must have and if you really do need them, wonder what that kit would be off e-bay?
FYI: it were me, I'd probably try installing what I wanted too and if I missed the other features, (chimes and warning circuits) I'd figure out a way to activate them by testing and probing the OEM harness, after I had a good schematic of that specific circuit. Flip a coin eh?
Swez
lukeduke28 on 11/3/2006 15:56:00
that sounds good.
that is pretty much what i was gonna do... i just dont know how to take off the dash and take the factory HU out. if i knew that then i would buy it right now.
Tinker18 on 11/3/2006 18:02:03
its a 2001 chevy cavalier. its not like the fords more than likely that require a special tool to remove the HU....its an 01 I have a 99 firebird..both made by GM, so more than likely, the dash is held in by retainer clips, and a small flathead, and some very gentle hands and you can pull off the shroud around the HU....unless there is nothing around it and around the top of sides of the HU there are little holes, then you will need the little tool, from wally world or something, to remove the deck.
-TINK
because i was thinking about getting 2 12" alpine type-r's and sealing them for my first box. then maybe later making a ported box once i learn about it more and know what im doing.
Replies (12)
ShootuhMcBustaCap on 11/1/2006 21:39:20
This is not really difficult at all, just 8 screws and some simple wiring. I mean so simple it's not even worth thinking of it as a hinderance at all. Just make sure you retian the foam gasket, or can get another one.
swez on 11/1/2006 21:47:10
In general, it's not difficult to swap subs from one box to another. The main issue is a good screwdriver bit that seats tight on the screwheads used. Phillips #2 heads work very well.
WARNING: DO NOT USE SLOTTED HEADS as they can slip easily and you'll wind up punching a hole in the cone or surround. (It happens a lot when guys get careless pr use cheap tools)
These are pretty heavy subs. So, if using self-tapping screws, (recommended) use #8-10 x 1" sheet metal screws. They have an aggressive thread and hold very well too.
TIP: When drilling into fresh wood like MDF, "ALWAYS" use a pilot hole (3/32" bit) for each screw. This helps start the screw well and small enough to get plenty of bite into the wood.
If you use a pair of Alpine Type R's and want to go sealed, look for a box that gives about 0.88 cf per chamber. (SEALED)
Alpine suggests a sealed box volume: 0.57-1.00 cu. ft.
The compact box ( 0.57 cf) is OK for minimal deep bass and very good punch. Power handling is good in this compact box, but low end bass will be lacking too. In a 1.0 cf chamber, the low bass will be strong and very lttle punch. However, a common prefab box is easy to find between 0.75 - 0.90 cf/chamber.
Got all that?
swez
lukeduke28 on 11/1/2006 22:53:10
i just cant decide if i want to make the easy sealed box or attempt to make a harder ported box. i kno ported is louder, but i dont know if i can amke the port right and stuff.
lol, amazingly i understood most of that..
swez on 11/1/2006 23:13:03
Until you have ALL of that stuff down and well fixed in the mind, stick to sealed boxes for now.
It's not that ported/vented boxes are all that hard. But the details are much more important and somewhat more complex... if you don't want fire wood in the end, that is. SMILE
swez
lukeduke28 on 11/2/2006 00:06:05
exactly what i was thinking..
i cant wait to start building, but until chrismas comes. im stuck with stock stuff.. may be gettin new HU. not sure yet. i want to, but i dont want to get it and then not know how to put it in and have to spend $$$ for the dumb local shop to put it in..
swez on 11/2/2006 09:45:16
Well, you have plenty of time to "research" HU's and search their manuals about install info.
I find Crutchfield has a lot of good information and manuals on their site. There, you can search for products that fit your vehicle, note any speacial adapters that may be required and research many great HU's available there. Try the "What fits my car" section first:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-5yHu0YmZUPZ/cgi-bin/autoinfo/autoinfo.asp?vehicleid=0&typeCH=car&vb=Y&lp=%2FS-5yHu0YmZUPZ%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fprodgroup%2Easp%3Fg%3D300%26avf%3DY%26skipvs%3DT
Crutch is not the cheapest guy in town. So you may look elsewhere for your purchasing. However, they do provide useful install tips, diagrams and good tech service too.
FYI: It is always a good plan to map out each phase of an install on paper. This helps a newbie to review & learn all the key steps, before they dive into a given phase of a project.
TIP: Any new task seems confussing at the beginning stages. But if we break them down into bite size steps, we can then see a specific tree that is to be worked on, in the forest of trees we'll deal with later.
If one masters that skill early in life, the process can be used for many complex plans, projects and decisions to be made as we go along through life. (Ie: Education path, work/career, picking a good mate, buying expensive things, managing conflict and learning how to invest)
Q. How does one eat an Elephant?
A. One bite at a time!
If you need some coaching about learning and using this life process skill sets, start a new topic line and I'll walk you through the basics to give you a feel for how this works OK? It will be a long series of Q & A's and probably wind up as a useful FAQ on the site for others as well.
swez
PS It is a wise man who uses the knowledge base others have accumulated. Don't be afraid to ask questions. There is no such thing as a stupid question! (Well, almost...)
We are all "ignorant", (Not aware of specific details) in one thing or another as we pass through life. However, we don't have to remain ignorant forever. However, "stupid"... is getting the answers we need and then disregarding them to our own peril. ;-)
lukeduke28 on 11/2/2006 18:20:05
well i am looking at this http://ikesound.com/product-product_id/5364
that HU is the same price on there and ebay, but that site was a warranty so i figured it would be better.
i have tried the crutch vehicle match finder thing before. i dont really like it because it only shows like 20 results that fit. i know there are more than that i can find that would fit.
swez on 11/2/2006 23:31:29
Does you Cavi have the Monsoon Radio Kit installed in it?
There's usually a good reason why Crutch offers a short list of HU's that fit your vehicle. To be on the safe side, it might be a good idea to call them and ask why such a limited selection for your car.
Some GM vehicles have oddball fit needs or if you have certain car features linked to door chimes or steering wheel controls, then you'll know there are (expensive) specialty kits needs here.
I forget which vehicles are included, but some require an installer to mount the Factory HU elsewhere in the car, and use the aftermarket HU for audio needs. If you have one of these, it's not a good place to cut your baby teeth on huh?
See what I mean:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-2wotBeH7kvI/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=120GMRC01
How's that for a work-a-round option?
Swez
lukeduke28 on 11/3/2006 00:49:26
i know that if i dont get that adaptor thing that my chimes will be gone. i dont really want to spent 80 + install for something to tell me my keys are in the ignition..
i think there is some other special harness to mount the factory HU in the car, but im sure it is expensive too. but there isnt anything bad that could come out of losing the chimes, so im not real worried about it.
i just want to get the HU and try to put it in. im soo ready to have that in my dash. the one i have now is really ugly, it will be a huge improvement.
swez on 11/3/2006 09:28:48
That Metra Kit looks like a piezo element speaker and probably a small circuit board trigger circuit as well. (circuit detector)
http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/120/120GMRC01.PDF
Yeah, one can live w/o some of those features and be fine too. Those feature are not a must have and if you really do need them, wonder what that kit would be off e-bay?
FYI: it were me, I'd probably try installing what I wanted too and if I missed the other features, (chimes and warning circuits) I'd figure out a way to activate them by testing and probing the OEM harness, after I had a good schematic of that specific circuit. Flip a coin eh?
Swez
lukeduke28 on 11/3/2006 15:56:00
that sounds good.
that is pretty much what i was gonna do... i just dont know how to take off the dash and take the factory HU out. if i knew that then i would buy it right now.
Tinker18 on 11/3/2006 18:02:03
its a 2001 chevy cavalier. its not like the fords more than likely that require a special tool to remove the HU....its an 01 I have a 99 firebird..both made by GM, so more than likely, the dash is held in by retainer clips, and a small flathead, and some very gentle hands and you can pull off the shroud around the HU....unless there is nothing around it and around the top of sides of the HU there are little holes, then you will need the little tool, from wally world or something, to remove the deck.
-TINK
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