Ok ive been reading around here and it seems you guys really know what your talking about, so in turn i want to get a 12" sub, and a Class D amp. I am looking to spend between 500-600$ would like to get alot of umph. Any good reccommendations ( Cant spell Well ) :P and whut would be best for a box bandpass port or sealed as i dont really know the difference
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cplkittle on 06/28/2006 20:24:16
you get what you pay for, so split the money and pick out a few models of subs and amps each in the $300 range, and come back and ask us about them.. it would take a long time for me to give you a list of subs and why I like this particular one..
I will tell you this..
There are a few new companies out now that make some really nice stuff, and the price is still waaaaay down..ie powerbass, exile..
swez on 06/28/2006 21:00:12
Agreed, as CPLKittle states, we do get what we pay for. Meaning:
1. Stick with well known branded names often seen mentioned on this and other reputable sites
2. Careful shopping and matching your gear to optimize the performance each componet affords the others.
3. Be willing to do "some homework" to research gear one wishes to use
4. Use the gear in the manner it was designed for and don't abuse it
You can get good info here at CK. Read the DIY articles and track other posts that are similar to your own needs. The Golds are a good resource for knowledge and the "how to" aspects of a given project.
Yes, there are non-Golds here that are able to help as well. Some will become future Golds later.
As for what box design to choose, each design has Pros and Cons.
Sealed designs are easy to build, compact and offer good all-around performance. The Con side, they are the least efficient design.
Ported designs need to be designed for the woofer that can handle a ported/vented design. (Some woofers don't do well in ported boxes) Ported models are more efficient then sealed designs, a bit larger and take up more space in a vehicle. They also need an amp with Sub Sonic Filtering capability.
Bandpass designs are very efficient in a narrow range of frequencies. They are popular for low budget SPL systems. (they play loud, but not very accurate) These box designs require carefull attention with regard to mating the box, woofer and porting parameters. BP boxes tend to mask woofer damaging signs. The first sign of a problem, is generally a blown sub.
Finally, your budget is healthy enough for a good quality bass engine.
a. Do you plan to make or buy the enclosure?
b. Will you install the system yourself or have it done professionally?
c. Do you know the power rating of your present battery and alternator system?
Swez
dkh on 06/28/2006 21:24:23
Here are some mistakes i made when I was in a similiar boat about a month ago.....
Mistake 1 - walked into visons and bought a good amp Alpine mrp-f 240 but it didnt have enough power to run my 6x9 speakers, returned it twice eventually returning it and getting my rear 4 way pioneer 6x9's and some good RF 4x6's for the front speakers. Paid close to retail because i didnt have any real negotiating power as they knew i couldnt just leave because i already owned an amp from them that wasnt what i needed.
Mistake 2 - didnt listen to the salesman when he said "that 8" RF punch series II wont do what you want it to do" he was right. 8" subs dont deliver the kind of crazy bass that can be had for slightly more money. I still have this sub and it is currently being advertised to be sold.
Mistake 3" - well this is only half a mistake, saw a 10" MTX road thunder sub on clearance for 30 dollars regular 80 dollars, "WOW what a deal!" i thought to myself as i proceeded through the checkout with my speaker and a box that cost more than the actual speaker i was putting in it (40$ for the box). Needless to say, the sub wasnt what i was looking for.
But there is a good outcome because I now have a sub that IS what i excpected, thanks to the advice of people on here.
Alpine type R 10" DVC 2 ohms each coil bought brand new for 200 dollars, retail was 300 on it.
Basslammer 10" sealed box 40 bucks
Amp: USA2200F 600 watts X1 bridged, bought at pawn shop for 100 bucks.. seems to work ok so far, might buy a bigger amp, looking at a pioneer for 150 bucks that has 380 wattsX1 rms.
Total so far: 440$
so the moral is you get what you pay for and when the salesman or knowledgable person says that something won't do what you envision it doing, go with the advice, not your own cloud dreams of what you think the thing will actually do. Just my opinion/experience.
Sincerely
DKH
swez on 06/28/2006 22:05:30
Good testimonial there DKH.
If more folks would listen carefully to "qualified advice" in the planning stages, they'd have less expenses and better end results.
In many retail chains, sales people are not always a "qualified source" for accurate information. If they have been in the business a few years and have some hands on experience with the products they sell, then you have a good chance of getting solid recommendations.
However, in large chain stores, most sales people are transients and not well trained either. If paid on commission only, their goal is to size up your wallet and load you up with gear that provides the largest commission checks. (Good for them, but not good for the customer)
At CK, we sell nothing to users on this site. We do offer recommendations based on experience, product knowledge and many hours of accumulated research time.
It pains me to have a guy/gal come here after they bought a bunch of gear and say they are unhappy with the results of poor choices, bad advice and shoddy install techniques. Mopping up after someone elses mess is not fun for the poster or the support team here at CK.
In a nutshell, become a savvy buyer and use the site well, before dropping down the cash. You'll be glad you did and the results will be well worth the added time.
Haste makes waste! = Unhappy Campers
Swez
Replies (4)
cplkittle on 06/28/2006 20:24:16
you get what you pay for, so split the money and pick out a few models of subs and amps each in the $300 range, and come back and ask us about them.. it would take a long time for me to give you a list of subs and why I like this particular one..
I will tell you this..
There are a few new companies out now that make some really nice stuff, and the price is still waaaaay down..ie powerbass, exile..
swez on 06/28/2006 21:00:12
Agreed, as CPLKittle states, we do get what we pay for. Meaning:
1. Stick with well known branded names often seen mentioned on this and other reputable sites
2. Careful shopping and matching your gear to optimize the performance each componet affords the others.
3. Be willing to do "some homework" to research gear one wishes to use
4. Use the gear in the manner it was designed for and don't abuse it
You can get good info here at CK. Read the DIY articles and track other posts that are similar to your own needs. The Golds are a good resource for knowledge and the "how to" aspects of a given project.
Yes, there are non-Golds here that are able to help as well. Some will become future Golds later.
As for what box design to choose, each design has Pros and Cons.
Sealed designs are easy to build, compact and offer good all-around performance. The Con side, they are the least efficient design.
Ported designs need to be designed for the woofer that can handle a ported/vented design. (Some woofers don't do well in ported boxes) Ported models are more efficient then sealed designs, a bit larger and take up more space in a vehicle. They also need an amp with Sub Sonic Filtering capability.
Bandpass designs are very efficient in a narrow range of frequencies. They are popular for low budget SPL systems. (they play loud, but not very accurate) These box designs require carefull attention with regard to mating the box, woofer and porting parameters. BP boxes tend to mask woofer damaging signs. The first sign of a problem, is generally a blown sub.
Finally, your budget is healthy enough for a good quality bass engine.
a. Do you plan to make or buy the enclosure?
b. Will you install the system yourself or have it done professionally?
c. Do you know the power rating of your present battery and alternator system?
Swez
dkh on 06/28/2006 21:24:23
Here are some mistakes i made when I was in a similiar boat about a month ago.....
Mistake 1 - walked into visons and bought a good amp Alpine mrp-f 240 but it didnt have enough power to run my 6x9 speakers, returned it twice eventually returning it and getting my rear 4 way pioneer 6x9's and some good RF 4x6's for the front speakers. Paid close to retail because i didnt have any real negotiating power as they knew i couldnt just leave because i already owned an amp from them that wasnt what i needed.
Mistake 2 - didnt listen to the salesman when he said "that 8" RF punch series II wont do what you want it to do" he was right. 8" subs dont deliver the kind of crazy bass that can be had for slightly more money. I still have this sub and it is currently being advertised to be sold.
Mistake 3" - well this is only half a mistake, saw a 10" MTX road thunder sub on clearance for 30 dollars regular 80 dollars, "WOW what a deal!" i thought to myself as i proceeded through the checkout with my speaker and a box that cost more than the actual speaker i was putting in it (40$ for the box). Needless to say, the sub wasnt what i was looking for.
But there is a good outcome because I now have a sub that IS what i excpected, thanks to the advice of people on here.
Alpine type R 10" DVC 2 ohms each coil bought brand new for 200 dollars, retail was 300 on it.
Basslammer 10" sealed box 40 bucks
Amp: USA2200F 600 watts X1 bridged, bought at pawn shop for 100 bucks.. seems to work ok so far, might buy a bigger amp, looking at a pioneer for 150 bucks that has 380 wattsX1 rms.
Total so far: 440$
so the moral is you get what you pay for and when the salesman or knowledgable person says that something won't do what you envision it doing, go with the advice, not your own cloud dreams of what you think the thing will actually do. Just my opinion/experience.
Sincerely
DKH
swez on 06/28/2006 22:05:30
Good testimonial there DKH.
If more folks would listen carefully to "qualified advice" in the planning stages, they'd have less expenses and better end results.
In many retail chains, sales people are not always a "qualified source" for accurate information. If they have been in the business a few years and have some hands on experience with the products they sell, then you have a good chance of getting solid recommendations.
However, in large chain stores, most sales people are transients and not well trained either. If paid on commission only, their goal is to size up your wallet and load you up with gear that provides the largest commission checks. (Good for them, but not good for the customer)
At CK, we sell nothing to users on this site. We do offer recommendations based on experience, product knowledge and many hours of accumulated research time.
It pains me to have a guy/gal come here after they bought a bunch of gear and say they are unhappy with the results of poor choices, bad advice and shoddy install techniques. Mopping up after someone elses mess is not fun for the poster or the support team here at CK.
In a nutshell, become a savvy buyer and use the site well, before dropping down the cash. You'll be glad you did and the results will be well worth the added time.
Haste makes waste! = Unhappy Campers
Swez
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