Hey guys,
Has anyone had any issues with Ascendant Audio's Poly 6.5's?
Please email me at jordanpowell@iw.net
Thanks!
Replies (5)
swez on 03/24/2006 12:28:43
Jorden,
Try a Google search on these speakers and see if you find any comments listed. Epinions is often a decent source of information.
What kind of "issues" are you looking for/at?
Swez
kryptonitewhite on 03/26/2006 11:29:50
Hey Swez,
Check this out.... I am trying to help others and myself at the same time:
http://toxicforum.com/view_topic.php?id=1500&forum_id=3&page=2
swez on 03/26/2006 12:28:14
Jordan,
If it were up to me to speculate a bit, I would say there are some major communication break downs between AA and its sub-suppliers. (parts) I am a little familiar with the changes in plans to opt out of XBL2 motor technologies, to a similar product adjustment that does not require Adire and others to pay royalties for that patent.
Some of the main reasons a manufacturer cannot get parts or service from 3rd party supplier are:
1. Communication breakdowns between all concerned parties
2. Insufficient production parts are available from any parties
3. Cash flow problems, somewhere in the loop
4. A large spike in product failures have hit somewhere in the supply chain (suppliers cannot keep up with demands)
5. Managerial changes and key staff people may be bailing out and not enough people left to keep up the service flow
One or more of these conditions, can really cripple a good product line and deliveries. Are you likely to get the real story right now? Probably not! The real story, may not yet be identified with big gaps in communication. The rumor mill can churn out all kinds of fire storms, but not resolve the immediate issues at hand.
I have seen this kind of thing happen in other businesses. Especially when a company is poorly managed, having financial difficulties or one or more of their primary suppliers have put them behind the 8 ball.
Right now, there may be a lot of internal fires to put out, finding addition suppliers and perhaps some re-organization within one or more companies in this game. This takes time, patience and a solid Management team, to work its way through all key issues.
In a nut shell, let this dog deal with its own fleas. Steer clear and don't put ourselves at undo risk, while all this finger pointing is going on. If you are on the hook, paid your monies but have not received the promised goods, you can always file a suit in small claims court and hope you get your goods or a refund back.
Here, a class action suit may be best. Spread the litigation/legal fees among the many involved and hope all get a positive resolution.
Swez
PS There is little point in badgering the guys in the middle. Tech support guys may already be well over their heads in bigger internal issues. You may wish to figure out the financial health of the companies involved as well. If one of them is going under and elects to file bankruptcy as a way out... many will get screwed as the law allows it. I am not saying this IS THE CASE. However, I would not rule it out either. Sorry I cannot help you more on the matter. Good luck and keep looking for the hidden truth. (It may be very difficult for find at this point in time) Follow the $$$ trail...
MrBrownstone on 03/26/2006 13:34:11
ahh...to shed a little light.
BEGIN RANT
Small business owners are constantly alternating between cost of productions and the product they sell. Using borrowed technology (and in the speaker world, 99% is borrowed) means that you are at the mercy of your supplier, the original manufacturer, and market conditions.
After everybody who wants a designer sub actually gets it, there is a fallback in the market. Growth stops, meanwhile, the merchant (or in this case, the quasi-manufacturer) is stuck with the same fixed costs, and less inbound capital.
When you don't make your own parts, or share this with another company, you are at the mercy of other people's problems. In a nutshell, I saw the EXTREME problem with another ATOMIC speaker company. I don't mean to steal their THUNDER, but it was a real SHOCKER when their guy disappeared for 3 months, didn't answer their calls, and many people had 10, 12, 15 woofers sitting on their bedroom floor waiting for replacements. What happened is that they were essentially broke, and just didn't want to say that. I can empathise, as that's hard to admit.
When a small company gets good, the first thing they do is look at selling the company. Why not sell out to a Much Technologically eXpansive company who can increase your marketshare by selling in Circuit City. Let them take care of the things you don't have the time or skills to do..like customer service, logistics, parts management, manufacturing...and instead, just handle the marketing.
END RANT
That being said, these garage band car audio companies were praised and promoted by little 'independent' forums, and given accolades like they revolutionized car audio, when in fact, were nothing more than a fresh coat of paint on an old technology. Even here there were/are a lot of people that sung praise to these brands because of some green party, tree-huggin hippie salute to anti-commercialism. i.e. WE are a part of an INDEPENDENT speaker company that has enough time on our hands to answer our emails because they aren't selling enough product. Everybody wants maximum sound for minimum price...and without a new concept other than a voice coil, we've reached that point already. Speakers are as good as they get and as cheap as they are gonna be. That's why Audiobahn came out with Chrome in like 1998...because it was all over but the shoutin', Tex.
I would consider moving on to a larger manufacturer that has a good reputation. There haven't been any advances in speaker technology since about 1995...and those that came about, were more about power handling than anything. It's still a cone, magnet, voice coil, spyder, and surround. Speakers are still 10% efficient...not 90%. All the advances came in the form of amplifier production and cost...and that has dwindled down now.
Don't waste your time threatening to sue a company that probably has 1 foot out the door--because what would you win? Ownership of a company that takes 18 months to get 6.5" speaker parts?
The Better Business Bureau is more like the Bumbling B*tch B*ttheads. You can only complain to them, they have no authority anywhere. Being a member is a bribery to prevent complaints from swinging the other way. They are like asking me or Swez what we think of magic smoke in amplifiers.....it's too late once you ask.
Just move on, and get on with life. You'll be happier.
swez on 03/26/2006 16:42:34
Hummm, for almost once in our lives, Mr. B. and I agree on something!
I would tend to think this all boils down to cash flow problems somewhere in the chain. Trouble is, in a small and cut-throat business like "Designer Grade" speakers, it's hard to get down to brass tacks and find out what the real issues are, much less get them resolved in a timely manner.
Might as well quit barking up that tree and let the cat come down on its own. All the barking in the world, never made a cat come out of the tree.
Swez
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