im lookin for a place that still sells the pioneer ts-a6986 6x9's.. i had 4 of these in a 68 impala and they were ridiculous loud and had decent bump....im lookin to mount 6 or 8 in the deck of my 91 caprice......do they still sell them and where can i get them decent price
Replies (17)
ryan2 on 07/15/2005 21:39:37
I dont know where you can get them. But why dont you get a sub instead of 6 or 8 of them? Im sure you could get 1 10" or 12" sub for less than 8 6x9's and it will have better bass.
lessismorespl on 07/16/2005 04:06:11
What could you possibly gain from this.....lets see, running your head unit's internal amp down to 1.3-1 ohm.....nice! or of course, running your 4 ch. amp down to 1.3-1 ohm...just as nice if not better!
All jokes aside, what you are doing makes little if any sense to even a DIY'r w/ basic car audio knowledge. There is no possible way you will get any kind of SQ out this, and definately not any serious SPL. I see this alot, and it makes no sense, once you hear it, it makes even less sense. Buy a decent amp, some decent subs, maybe a decent 4ch for the mids/highs, and call it a day....it will sound better, be much louder......and you do not have this corny looking rear deck by having 6x9's everywhere.....
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Victor on 07/16/2005 06:41:44
You know sometimes less,,, many people dont come here looking for unwanted advice, they are not open for suggestions, and feel as if they know everything.. and they come here asking for a silly piece of equipment for a dumb install.. give it to them.. thats all i can say..
there ya go dude.. hope that helps..
http://www.carreview.com/mfr/pioneer/speakers/PRD_327289_1805crx.aspx
Victor...
lessismorespl on 07/16/2005 10:38:54
I apologize Victor, and yes you are right, but after dealing w/ people all week that damage equipment b/c of set-ups like this, or try to blame the installer b/c the amp went out or the HU cuts out, it is nice to come on here and see people that want to actually do something right and want to learn. I get somewhat callous at times to these types of installs and can be rather sarcastic w/ my post.....so I apologize.
Go to my website)www.lessismorespl.com) and there is a link to Overstock.com, they usually have older Pioneer products for less than wholesale. I believe the TSA6981 is the same speaker other than cosmetics, it came out the year after the 6986. You can probably get them new in the box from overstock for under $100 per pair.
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UKinstaller on 07/16/2005 11:55:12
you guys are assuming that this guy is going to run it off a head unit. he didn't say anything about that. if he wants, he can run it off two 4channel amps. it's up to him.
as someone that works on 91 caprices damn near every single day, i understand fully what this guy is talking about. i work in a very rough end of town, and in this end of town, the more 6x9's you have in your car, the better it is. that's just what the people like. the name of the game is MORE, not better sounding. obviously he had 4 6x9's in his impala and liked it, so he wants to do it again. we can't bash him for his listening tastes.
i just think it's kind of ridiculous that the guy asked a simple question, told us what he wants to do, and he was heavily criticized for it because lessismorespl doesn't like it. am i the only person who thinks this is ridiculous??
-UK
lessismorespl on 07/16/2005 12:04:23
If you did not notice, I apologized....so what is up yours today that you have to come on here gettin in my case? No I do not like it, and I grew up in the projects, and still live in one of the highest crime areas of the country....I see this stuff everyday, and I also see them come back wondering why it does not sound right, or wondering why their amp or HU is cutting out.....so yes, I do not like it like nor can anyone convince me that it is a good option for whatever reason...it will not give any SQ and definately will not produce SPL.
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Tinker18 on 07/16/2005 16:06:33
so what you are saying is that if he decides to hook the 6x9's up to two 4 channel amps the 6x9's will not be what he wants? sounds kind of pessimistic and over critical to me. If thats what the man wants, you have no right to crticize him for his own tastes in music. What you think sounds good and what other people think sound good are two completely different things, not to mention, its not hard for a mature adult to offer smart advice without coming off like a jerk.
-TINK
Victor on 07/16/2005 16:33:57
Hey guys... why do we at CK ( i mean all of us ) have a habit of sticking to an issue...??????? Why cant we simply get over minor things..??
Less wrote what he felt... and I dont see a point where he is wrong, yet i know that some people just demand us with to -the point answers..which I made less aware of, he realised and apologised even tho there was no reason to apologise.. I guess the matter should be over here.. why to we pull ( sometimes including me ) onto certain issues which are of least importance..
I just wrote what i felt, if any of you dis-agree , just wanted you to know this is my personal belief and wudnt wanna impose it onto anyone..
Also ,, the funny part is that in these posts the original guy asking for help is not involved...hehe.. its just all of us who have been arguing onto his problem....atleast let him write his views, wether he is open to suggesstions or looking just for the equipment, we dont yet know that and are aruging among ourselves..hehe
Victor...
lessismorespl on 07/16/2005 21:17:21
It's all good Victor, it has become obvious that I'm a target on here. Tinker18 is even comming at me and he does not even have a clue of what my credentials are, and he started a topic that is basically spam, which from my understanding is not tolerated on here. I can handle my own Victor, it is apparent the UK as well as others do not like me, or respect my honesty and experience. Honesty is what built my reputation in car audio, people respect the fact that I tell them what I think, in technical terms, as well as basic layman terms how this or that will sound. This is why I get over 50 emails a day, this is why I'm a Top 10 reviewer on Sound Domain, and do all the tech work on 4 competition cars that all hit high 150's to mid 160's on any given day. It is obvious that I'm not respected, nor am I appreciated for my opinions, now 4 members are comming at me over my opinion and honest view of something that makes little sense.....IMO! There are plenty of forums, so I think I will move on to one that does not have members bashing people. I appreciate the slack Victor, but trust me, in the car audio world I can hold my own against anyone on this site or any other site.
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swez on 07/16/2005 22:01:55
Less, can we talk in private please?
Swez
UKinstaller on 07/16/2005 22:32:43
it's not about appreciation or disrespect or anything, i'm just saying that just because it doesn't sound right or good to you doesn't mean the same for him, who hasn't even posted back as of yet. it's really not that big of a deal, i'm just saying that what sounds bad to you might sound great to others, and vise versa.
in fact, i totally agree with you that it's pointless to have 8 6x9's, but if a customer at my shop wants it, we do it, end of story.
honestly i really don't care, you don't have to leave the forum, nobody cares for real, we're just saying to be open to other people's requests for their system.
-UK
trunkisloud on 07/19/2005 14:22:08
heres the deal.....i just got rid of my p3's and my optidrive......im really bummed because i hit a hole and needed money..now im back on my feet and i want somethin in my car that would be harder to get rid of than some subs....plus im not lookin to win sq comp or db contests.....i just like to be loud....and have somethin different to look at in my ride other than a box and subs....also no i am not even attempting to run this off the hu......i scored 2 avionixx 800.2 amps from my cousin......that should be plenty of power....and they will have sufficient power supply.....no need to worry about me messin up equip. like i said before i had 4 of these in my ride and i was very satisfied with them....i appreciate the opinions of the guys on here...ive asked questions here before and got the answeres i needed....no disrespect at alll.....but i have had numerous setups with subs and boxes and amps ......i just wanted to try somethin different....
" AN IDEAL CAR AUDIO SYSTEM IS NOT NECESSARILY THE COSTLIEST ONE OR THE LOUDEST ONE, ITS THE ONE THAT BEST SUITS YOUR NEEDS"
Victor...
swez on 07/19/2005 18:19:21
Have you tried a google search on these older Pioneer speakers? I noted the Pioneer website rates them at 60 watt RMS/each. A 4-way coaxial 6x9" format with a whopping 94dB @1 watt sensitivity rating.
That means, these puppies can get very loud with not a whole bunch of power.
Are you planning to enclose them in some way as part of the install? If yes, am sure there will be good bass performance available with so much woofer cone area. However, if installed "free air" (no enclosures) those amps will have to be reigned in a lot, as the power they can deliver is massive. (read... able to kill your speakers in short order)
Avionixx 800.2
200 x 2 @ 4 ohms (RMS)
400 x 2 @ 2 ohms
800 x 1 @ 4 ohms bridged MONO
Finally, eD had a lot of field failures on Avionixx amps. There's still a few around and from what I have read, they are pretty strong in power, but poor design makes them heat up faster and go into protect mode. (especially at 2 ohms per channel or 4 ohms bridged) Hope you don't see that problem when you get them.
Good luck,
Swez
lessismorespl on 07/19/2005 21:09:59
Ok, these are a few years old, and if that is what you want, why not just try a slightly newer version. If you go to my web page: http://www.lessismorespl.com there is a link to a wholesale website that sells several of Pioneer's older model speakers. They usually have limited supplies, but you can probably get 4-6 pair. They are very inexspensive there since they are a buyout site that deals in discontinued models. Good luck.
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trunkisloud on 07/20/2005 11:04:26
i was thinking of maybe trading the avionixx for something a little smaller .....or selling them ....either way i see what your saying swez.....i havnt had experience enclosing 6x9's so im not sure if i will attempt it or not......i will check out your site less....i appreciate your suggestions and will take any i can get.....
Victor on 07/20/2005 15:18:21
how many sets of 6x9 did u say u want to run???
IDEA If you are planning to use 4 sets.. ie.. 8 speakers in all then they can be wired at 4 ohms per channel to a 2 channel amp.. with their rating at 60wrms.. u get a total power requirement of 240wrms per channel.. and your avionixx amp gives out a healthy 200wrms pr channel @ 4ohms.. ( this is possible only if you use 4 sets.. not 2 or 3)
so i dont think it should be a problem if u use 4 sets of 4 ohm coaxial speakers of 60wrms..COFFEE
Also have a look at these.. they are the newest REV series from Pioneer.. nice looks, new mix of cone material.. they got an inbuilt crossover and sound really good for a 6 X 9, i have installed them in a few cars and they can sound pretty good with the right amount of power and installation... they are good at mid-bass reproduction
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4067_191756446,00.html
http://www.audio-warehouse.com/web/mdl/TSD691R/detail.asp
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hypaudio/tsd691r.html ( check specs and price here )
Also if you are thinking of doing the free air install i dont think it should be a problem cause here you are going to use 8 speakers and i dont think that the trunk will be way bigger then what all those speakers need combined together.. and also you will not be over powering them since u are giving them 200wrms in place of a 240wrms requirement.
Hope that helps...
Victor...
PS. Do let us know after u finish the install how it sounds on SPL as well as SQ... i can THINKguess a lot there.. but would like to know how it sounds in real.. And let us know if you need to know how to wire them for 4 ohms per channel.
trunkisloud on 07/20/2005 17:52:09
yea i probably will need help wiring it since ive never done this many speakers on one amp.......
Replies (17)
ryan2 on 07/15/2005 21:39:37
I dont know where you can get them. But why dont you get a sub instead of 6 or 8 of them? Im sure you could get 1 10" or 12" sub for less than 8 6x9's and it will have better bass.
lessismorespl on 07/16/2005 04:06:11
What could you possibly gain from this.....lets see, running your head unit's internal amp down to 1.3-1 ohm.....nice! or of course, running your 4 ch. amp down to 1.3-1 ohm...just as nice if not better!
All jokes aside, what you are doing makes little if any sense to even a DIY'r w/ basic car audio knowledge. There is no possible way you will get any kind of SQ out this, and definately not any serious SPL. I see this alot, and it makes no sense, once you hear it, it makes even less sense. Buy a decent amp, some decent subs, maybe a decent 4ch for the mids/highs, and call it a day....it will sound better, be much louder......and you do not have this corny looking rear deck by having 6x9's everywhere.....
less
Victor on 07/16/2005 06:41:44
You know sometimes less,,, many people dont come here looking for unwanted advice, they are not open for suggestions, and feel as if they know everything.. and they come here asking for a silly piece of equipment for a dumb install.. give it to them.. thats all i can say..
there ya go dude.. hope that helps..
http://www.carreview.com/mfr/pioneer/speakers/PRD_327289_1805crx.aspx
Victor...
lessismorespl on 07/16/2005 10:38:54
I apologize Victor, and yes you are right, but after dealing w/ people all week that damage equipment b/c of set-ups like this, or try to blame the installer b/c the amp went out or the HU cuts out, it is nice to come on here and see people that want to actually do something right and want to learn. I get somewhat callous at times to these types of installs and can be rather sarcastic w/ my post.....so I apologize.
Go to my website)www.lessismorespl.com) and there is a link to Overstock.com, they usually have older Pioneer products for less than wholesale. I believe the TSA6981 is the same speaker other than cosmetics, it came out the year after the 6986. You can probably get them new in the box from overstock for under $100 per pair.
less
UKinstaller on 07/16/2005 11:55:12
you guys are assuming that this guy is going to run it off a head unit. he didn't say anything about that. if he wants, he can run it off two 4channel amps. it's up to him.
as someone that works on 91 caprices damn near every single day, i understand fully what this guy is talking about. i work in a very rough end of town, and in this end of town, the more 6x9's you have in your car, the better it is. that's just what the people like. the name of the game is MORE, not better sounding. obviously he had 4 6x9's in his impala and liked it, so he wants to do it again. we can't bash him for his listening tastes.
i just think it's kind of ridiculous that the guy asked a simple question, told us what he wants to do, and he was heavily criticized for it because lessismorespl doesn't like it. am i the only person who thinks this is ridiculous??
-UK
lessismorespl on 07/16/2005 12:04:23
If you did not notice, I apologized....so what is up yours today that you have to come on here gettin in my case? No I do not like it, and I grew up in the projects, and still live in one of the highest crime areas of the country....I see this stuff everyday, and I also see them come back wondering why it does not sound right, or wondering why their amp or HU is cutting out.....so yes, I do not like it like nor can anyone convince me that it is a good option for whatever reason...it will not give any SQ and definately will not produce SPL.
less
Tinker18 on 07/16/2005 16:06:33
so what you are saying is that if he decides to hook the 6x9's up to two 4 channel amps the 6x9's will not be what he wants? sounds kind of pessimistic and over critical to me. If thats what the man wants, you have no right to crticize him for his own tastes in music. What you think sounds good and what other people think sound good are two completely different things, not to mention, its not hard for a mature adult to offer smart advice without coming off like a jerk.
-TINK
Victor on 07/16/2005 16:33:57
Hey guys... why do we at CK ( i mean all of us ) have a habit of sticking to an issue...??????? Why cant we simply get over minor things..??
Less wrote what he felt... and I dont see a point where he is wrong, yet i know that some people just demand us with to -the point answers..which I made less aware of, he realised and apologised even tho there was no reason to apologise.. I guess the matter should be over here.. why to we pull ( sometimes including me ) onto certain issues which are of least importance..
I just wrote what i felt, if any of you dis-agree , just wanted you to know this is my personal belief and wudnt wanna impose it onto anyone..
Also ,, the funny part is that in these posts the original guy asking for help is not involved...hehe.. its just all of us who have been arguing onto his problem....atleast let him write his views, wether he is open to suggesstions or looking just for the equipment, we dont yet know that and are aruging among ourselves..hehe
Victor...
lessismorespl on 07/16/2005 21:17:21
It's all good Victor, it has become obvious that I'm a target on here. Tinker18 is even comming at me and he does not even have a clue of what my credentials are, and he started a topic that is basically spam, which from my understanding is not tolerated on here. I can handle my own Victor, it is apparent the UK as well as others do not like me, or respect my honesty and experience. Honesty is what built my reputation in car audio, people respect the fact that I tell them what I think, in technical terms, as well as basic layman terms how this or that will sound. This is why I get over 50 emails a day, this is why I'm a Top 10 reviewer on Sound Domain, and do all the tech work on 4 competition cars that all hit high 150's to mid 160's on any given day. It is obvious that I'm not respected, nor am I appreciated for my opinions, now 4 members are comming at me over my opinion and honest view of something that makes little sense.....IMO! There are plenty of forums, so I think I will move on to one that does not have members bashing people. I appreciate the slack Victor, but trust me, in the car audio world I can hold my own against anyone on this site or any other site.
less
swez on 07/16/2005 22:01:55
Less, can we talk in private please?
Swez
UKinstaller on 07/16/2005 22:32:43
it's not about appreciation or disrespect or anything, i'm just saying that just because it doesn't sound right or good to you doesn't mean the same for him, who hasn't even posted back as of yet. it's really not that big of a deal, i'm just saying that what sounds bad to you might sound great to others, and vise versa.
in fact, i totally agree with you that it's pointless to have 8 6x9's, but if a customer at my shop wants it, we do it, end of story.
honestly i really don't care, you don't have to leave the forum, nobody cares for real, we're just saying to be open to other people's requests for their system.
-UK
trunkisloud on 07/19/2005 14:22:08
heres the deal.....i just got rid of my p3's and my optidrive......im really bummed because i hit a hole and needed money..now im back on my feet and i want somethin in my car that would be harder to get rid of than some subs....plus im not lookin to win sq comp or db contests.....i just like to be loud....and have somethin different to look at in my ride other than a box and subs....also no i am not even attempting to run this off the hu......i scored 2 avionixx 800.2 amps from my cousin......that should be plenty of power....and they will have sufficient power supply.....no need to worry about me messin up equip. like i said before i had 4 of these in my ride and i was very satisfied with them....i appreciate the opinions of the guys on here...ive asked questions here before and got the answeres i needed....no disrespect at alll.....but i have had numerous setups with subs and boxes and amps ......i just wanted to try somethin different....
" AN IDEAL CAR AUDIO SYSTEM IS NOT NECESSARILY THE COSTLIEST ONE OR THE LOUDEST ONE, ITS THE ONE THAT BEST SUITS YOUR NEEDS"
Victor...
swez on 07/19/2005 18:19:21
Have you tried a google search on these older Pioneer speakers? I noted the Pioneer website rates them at 60 watt RMS/each. A 4-way coaxial 6x9" format with a whopping 94dB @1 watt sensitivity rating.
That means, these puppies can get very loud with not a whole bunch of power.
Are you planning to enclose them in some way as part of the install? If yes, am sure there will be good bass performance available with so much woofer cone area. However, if installed "free air" (no enclosures) those amps will have to be reigned in a lot, as the power they can deliver is massive. (read... able to kill your speakers in short order)
Avionixx 800.2
200 x 2 @ 4 ohms (RMS)
400 x 2 @ 2 ohms
800 x 1 @ 4 ohms bridged MONO
Finally, eD had a lot of field failures on Avionixx amps. There's still a few around and from what I have read, they are pretty strong in power, but poor design makes them heat up faster and go into protect mode. (especially at 2 ohms per channel or 4 ohms bridged) Hope you don't see that problem when you get them.
Good luck,
Swez
lessismorespl on 07/19/2005 21:09:59
Ok, these are a few years old, and if that is what you want, why not just try a slightly newer version. If you go to my web page: http://www.lessismorespl.com there is a link to a wholesale website that sells several of Pioneer's older model speakers. They usually have limited supplies, but you can probably get 4-6 pair. They are very inexspensive there since they are a buyout site that deals in discontinued models. Good luck.
less
trunkisloud on 07/20/2005 11:04:26
i was thinking of maybe trading the avionixx for something a little smaller .....or selling them ....either way i see what your saying swez.....i havnt had experience enclosing 6x9's so im not sure if i will attempt it or not......i will check out your site less....i appreciate your suggestions and will take any i can get.....
Victor on 07/20/2005 15:18:21
how many sets of 6x9 did u say u want to run???
IDEA If you are planning to use 4 sets.. ie.. 8 speakers in all then they can be wired at 4 ohms per channel to a 2 channel amp.. with their rating at 60wrms.. u get a total power requirement of 240wrms per channel.. and your avionixx amp gives out a healthy 200wrms pr channel @ 4ohms.. ( this is possible only if you use 4 sets.. not 2 or 3)
so i dont think it should be a problem if u use 4 sets of 4 ohm coaxial speakers of 60wrms..COFFEE
Also have a look at these.. they are the newest REV series from Pioneer.. nice looks, new mix of cone material.. they got an inbuilt crossover and sound really good for a 6 X 9, i have installed them in a few cars and they can sound pretty good with the right amount of power and installation... they are good at mid-bass reproduction
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4067_191756446,00.html
http://www.audio-warehouse.com/web/mdl/TSD691R/detail.asp
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hypaudio/tsd691r.html ( check specs and price here )
Also if you are thinking of doing the free air install i dont think it should be a problem cause here you are going to use 8 speakers and i dont think that the trunk will be way bigger then what all those speakers need combined together.. and also you will not be over powering them since u are giving them 200wrms in place of a 240wrms requirement.
Hope that helps...
Victor...
PS. Do let us know after u finish the install how it sounds on SPL as well as SQ... i can THINKguess a lot there.. but would like to know how it sounds in real.. And let us know if you need to know how to wire them for 4 ohms per channel.
trunkisloud on 07/20/2005 17:52:09
yea i probably will need help wiring it since ive never done this many speakers on one amp.......
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