HU - Pioneer DEHP6500
Amp - Phoenix Gold Octane 800w mono 2 ohms
Woofer - Kicker L7 in sealed box (750 wrms) 2 ohms
looking for an alternator for my cadillac that has every stinkin power luxory in it if any of you know a cheap (or reasonably priced)/reliable place to get one let me know
the inside has the stock bose speakers 4"
all im lookin 4 in the system is sum bump in the trunk the inside is good enough for me as they sound pretty good for being 20 years old....
i have not yet purchased the amp/sub any suggestions might make me get something else so im open to any suggestions
Replies (35)
swez on 03/20/2005 17:46:35
Fine amp, good price and plenty of power. This amp is 2 ohms stable and cannot be run below that w/o problems. Your subs will have to be mated properly and wired such to get that magic 2 ohms for full power to subs.
Do you have subs now? If so, which brand and model?
Swez
ssallstar598 on 03/20/2005 23:43:25
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6221064&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat54900050004&id=1069299397134
they are 4 ohms... any ideas what kinda amp i should look at?
Munchiesyumm on 03/21/2005 01:30:04
Hi
Ssallstar, did you actually purchase the subwoofers from Best Buy? If you still have the reciept I highly suggest you take them back.
No offense, but you really don't want these subwoofers. You're just making an open window for upgrade later. These are low end subwoofers, thats why a place like best buy offers them. Don't feel bad, most of us learned the more exspensive way.
If you're debating a high end amp, why waste it on those subs? Definatly a so so SPL setup. These subwoofers will find the hardside blasting 600watts.
You can actually return them and spend roughly the same on a much nicer pair of subwoofers.
A great esample would be the Infinity Referense 12" subwoofers found at
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13354
You'd be much happier with these subwoofers, they'll perform much better than the DUAL. There a lot of brands out there that I like to classify as "rip-off" brands like. Lighting Audio, Legancy, Pyle, Dual, Boss, ect.. They use cheap parts and constructed poorly and strictly in the business for the money rather than quality. Theres a lot people out there that get fooled. Because you really would exspect them to be a higher quality than they are displayed as. It's all about the internals, thats what you'll learn here on this site. What to buy and what to stay away from.
There are very few respectable amplifier companies out there that are there to really make some clean efficent bass. Alpine, JBL, Pioneer Premier, Kicker, Orion, phoenix gold and MTX are the top picks.
For you're case you should be in the business to find a Monoblock amplifier (one channel) designed for subwoofer use only and are the most efficent.
Depending on you're spending range I can help you pickout an amplifier you will be very happy with.
For now I'll give you a couple ideas to look at.
Phoenix Gold R8.0:1
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=12982
Hifonics TX1005D
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14798
Soundstream RUB500/1 $159.00
http://www.acaraudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_36&products_id=457
Infinity Reference 610a $194
http://www.cardomain.com/item/INFREF610A
Or the infamous JBL BP600.1 (ask others were to find)
I usually check e-bay on this one $219 retail
swez on 03/21/2005 05:55:02
That Dual system is a 4 ohm box and will cut amp output power by 50% of what most sub amps can produce at 2 ohms.
Also, bandpass boxes are pretty odd animals. They are often tuned to a very narrow frequency range. We often call them "One note Wonders" as they sound very strong at tuned frequency, but degraded performance outside that range.
The thing I find most amusing, is that BB, CC and other large chains, push a high profit margin extended warranty service plan. That's basically saying 3 things:
1. We sell crap and expect it to fail! (so protect yourself)
2. We are greedy and turn a nice profit on most service agreements.
3. We think our customers are pretty much idiots and will abuse their gear anyway. Might as well make a profit on that too.
That is the general mentality of most chain stores I have been to. I also worked at a smaller chain store for a time and know the gig well. One can do much better in quality, performance and price off the net, if you know what to buy and where to buy it.
The key parts of great sound system are a well matched set of components (amps, speakers and enclosure) and a quality install. With some help from this forum, we can get you through each phase in short order. Hope you can return those subs. They are not what you really think they are.
Not meaning to be rude... but why say good things about marginal products?
Swez
PS If you really want some quality bass, The Octane, HiFonics, Infinity, JBL and Alpine amps are very solid performers. As for subs, consider Alpine, Infinity, Audiobahn, JBL, Kicker or a few others we can suggest. A pair of 2+2 DVC will work with larger amps. If you go for a smaller amp, (600 Wrms or less) a pair of 4 ohm single coils subs will be fine too.
MrBrownstone on 03/21/2005 15:15:30
The Octane series were a marketing ploy to help Phoenix compete in the arena of your 'overrated' products. All of their products in that line are rated 'sunny side up' and I wouldn't buy them as you'll just want to upgrade down the road shortly.
On a side note, Phoenix has been legendary at performance for decades. Their TOL stuff is as good as you can get.
ttocs on 03/21/2005 15:25:35
I agree with him. I used to love PG and EVERYTHING they made but in the last few years they have started to put out some crap along with their high end line. Can't blame them, they are out to make a buck just like everyone but I would not own anything under their TI line.
ssallstar598 on 03/21/2005 19:29:59
Yes i know they arent that great (buddy gave em to me for 20 bux after he bought some new ones) so i figured id upgrade along the road seeing as im out barely any money
I DO have 2 JL 12w0's but they are only 125 wrms apiece in a sealed box and i would like a little bit more bass... (500-600w atleast)
considering that if i purchase the amp that i want for the speakers when i upgrade i will most definately blow the JL's im actually selling the JL's for $200 to some1 at work
I am currently thinking about purchasing a
KICKER 05-S12L7 12" CHROME SOLO-BARIC
power range 75-750 watts RMS (375 watts per coil)
peak power handling 1,500 watts (750 per coil)
aluminum deposit cone
non-resonant aluminum basket
Santoprene rubber surround
dual 2-ohm voice coils for wiring flexibility
frequency response 20-100 Hz
sensitivity 86.6 dB
top-mount depth 6-11/16"
sealed box volume 0.88-2.0 cubic feet
ported box volume 1.75-3.25 cubic feet
can someone tell me EXACTLY how many watts RMS one of these will have? and also... does it sound bad if you have only 1 sub? every person ive ever seen has 2 so i was just wondering
ALSO can anyone show me a picture of the 2005 model of this sub? i would rather have it since it is a 2 ohm and on ebay they all look different but say the same thing
compvr15s on 03/21/2005 20:10:43
i used to have 12 inch solos. i ran one off a kx600.1 at first and it was feeding it plenty of power, sounded great in ported box, was not too fond of it in small sealed box, but with that big ported box it moved some serious air, with 600 watts, i ended up gettin another solo and another kx600 and then moved to a modest sized sealed box for the two, like 1.75 for each sub, sounded good but i think i had a grounding issue and blew them up constantly, so i rewired my system after blowing about 8 of them, before i got new ones i upgraded to 15 inch comp vrs, very happy with them as well...
if i was you i wouldnt go with the solo unless your doing it to be cool and show it off, id go with a set of comp vrs, 12's in medium ported box off a 600 watt amp would thump ur LAC like crazy, just my 2 cents tho. but trust me u can not go wrong with kicker products, their tech support is great, and if you buy off line prices are good too. if you want to save some money try finding last years model. i dont there was any difference between new and old models... good luck
ssallstar598 on 03/21/2005 20:30:25
well its not for showoff - i just heard its a REALLY good REALLY loud speaker and since ive set my mind on the phoenix gold octane 800wrms 2 ohm mono amp it looks like the PERFECT fit
one last question - how many amps would i need for my deck (4 speakers running off of it at 50w a speaker) 800w amp, and stock electronics?
84 for the system and about 60-70 for the car? im looking into alternators right now 180 amps i figured would be PLENTY
compvr15s on 03/21/2005 20:40:43
im sure 180 amps would be ideal, probably a little over kill, i dont think a car draws that power at one time but im not sure, id imagine with all power features it would draw more... but id say more like 120 -150 amp alt would do just fine, i was running 2 600 watt mono sub amps of a 95 amp alt with a good bat, and upgraded under the hood wires and i wasnt gettin any light dimming, so id say probably 110-120 amps being pulled with no problems...
as for subs...
the solo baric is a fine sub, just quite pricey if you asked me, when i bought my first one it cost me 450 dollars with a box from the stereo shop, so be careful,
have you looked at alpine type r's? they are great subs, plenty of spl and above average sq...
jl w3 are some decent subs as well that bump..
if your lookin for 15 inch subs id recommed the comp vrs to you, i have one of the loudest systems that i have heard, which means everyday driver, not built for spl competition or anything, but its pretty loud for 2 15s, and you can run 2 15s off that mentioned amp. just make sure you get dual two ohm subs and wire the sub in series so they get a 4 ohm load apiece, then wired the subs in parallel to get a 2 ohm load to the sub, if you run your amp at 4 omhs only get 400 watts.. any other questions just ask
ssallstar598 on 03/21/2005 23:25:20
well i was looking at purchasing one on ebay from one of the ebay store sellers that sell at warehouse prices still sealed in factory wrap and offer warrantys(169.99 Buy it now w/ 20-40 shipping) and i was gonna look into getting a single box w/ the vent
compvr15s on 03/21/2005 23:29:55
well the L7 will handle that power, its always better to give a sub good undistorted power instead of clipped power... it will handle less tho because being in a ported box, but you can always tune down the amp if need be, make sure to get a sub sonic filter if you go ported, dont want to play below port frequency, will damage ur sub... good luck, you will be happy with the L7.
ssallstar598 on 03/21/2005 23:40:51
compvr - u lost me w/ the whole less in ported box and sub sonic filter - would it be better to get a sealed (is sealed just wood w/ carpet?)
and are you saying it will get distorted clipping power?
compvr15s on 03/21/2005 23:49:32
no no im sorry. if you go with a ported box, the sub woofer takes less power to reach xmax. so instead of 750 rms its probably 550-600 watts. not a big deal... sub sonic filters are fairly cheap like 30 dollars, ur amp has i built in sub sonic filter so you will be fine. that amp will be fine for an L7 you just have to be carefull when setting gains..
you will not be clipping with that amp at 500 watts, it will be nice clean power...
if you are looking for the most bass possible and you listen to alot of music with deep bass, such as rap, a ported enclosure will be great.
ssallstar598 on 03/21/2005 23:57:41
yes i read about how to set your gain on your amp so u dont have any distortion (i think it was one of swez's articles)
i really appreciate your help man just 1 last question... lol do u know where i can get a nice alternator? 150 amps (i want to over kill it cause i put a 200 watt amp on my current alt awhile ago and the alt DIED! and my parents are freakin out about me putting another system in my car so ima be SAFE)
its for a 1985 fleetwood cadillac V8 4.1 liter FWD
compvr15s on 03/21/2005 23:57:59
i just checked pg's website and that is only a 600 watt rms amp, so its still pretty potent. will still provide good power for that L7
compvr15s on 03/22/2005 00:05:04
check ebay, or do google search, i know ohio generators make some ho alts, see if you can just have yours upgraded, may be cheaper, can be done at alt shops
ssallstar598 on 03/22/2005 00:14:53
thank and if i did a 2 ohm load on the amp wouldnt it be 800 thats what i remembered reading... although i read alotta amps that day so i could be mistaken...
OCTANE-R 8.0:1
----------------------------
• High efficiency Class "D" monoblock amplifier
• 18dB variable LP crossover
• 18dB variable subsonic filter
• Low Pass Level port (LPL)
• Dimensions: 14.75L x 10.875W x 2.25H
800W x 1 (2 ohm mono)
max power
if your taking the Class into consideration then i could see y it would be 600 watts
compvr15s on 03/22/2005 00:18:23
800 max it said but it has 2 40 amp fuses so if im correct you take the amps x the current 12 volts, it comes out to 960 but i dunno if that correct, but pg said 800 max 600 rms
ssallstar598 on 03/22/2005 00:24:58
well thats still plenty for me
how would i wire the L7 i read swez and victors image tutorial... but i got really lost...
power range 75-750 watts RMS (375 watts per coil)
peak power handling 1,500 watts (750 per coil)
dual 2-ohm voice coils
frequency response 20-100 Hz
sensitivity 86.6 dB
compvr15s on 03/22/2005 00:29:53
you can not use the dual 2 ohm, you need the dual 4 ohm sub.
then wire both positives together and wire that to pos terminal on amp, then do the same with neg, both negs together and the wire to neg terminal on the amp. this is paralell wiring.
if you go series wiring then you will net a 4 ohm load, only gettin 35-450 watts. go with dual 4 omh, will be better option here
swez on 03/22/2005 09:14:09
Nice work Comp VR. Giving very good advice to this gent.
That Octane 8.0 will pull about 60-70A of current at full power. It is rated at 600 Wrms into a 2 ohm load. Your car needs a minimum of ~50A to run properly. The HU pulls under 15A of current at full volume. So, a 150 -180A ALT will do well if the stock system does not supply adequate power.
As for the Kicker sub, get the 4+4 DVC. When both coils are wired in parallel, you get 2 ohms. The proper wiring diagram to use here is:
http://img8.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img8&image=1dvcparallel1yl.jpg
Finally, a well designed, port or vented enclosure will give you plenty of deep bass. Kicker's web sit has suggestions on what options and sizes are useful. Here are the recommended ranges for sealed and ported boxes. The larger the box, the more deep bass you will get.
» sealed box volume 0.8-2.0 cubic feet
» ported box volume: 1.75-3.25 cubic feet
I believe Sub Zone makes a few boxes specifically designed for Kicker Solobarics. Should be able to hit on one for a good price off e-bay.
Good luck,
Swez
ssallstar598 on 03/22/2005 13:43:06
swez - the wiring diagram basically means that the + on each coil is going to the amp using its own wire and the - on each is going to the amp using its own wire
compvr15s on 03/22/2005 18:35:02
no no, you just use a jumper cable from the pos with out a dot to the pos with a dot, then run a single wire from the coil with a dot to the amp, only 1 pos and 1 neg come out of your enclosure. the coils are connecedt in the enclosure using shorter pieces of wire
Bigeazy4387 on 03/23/2005 11:32:01
just for another opinion i had 2 solobaric l7 10's they were the best subs i ever had just give them enough power anfd make sure you put them in a vented box. lets just say i have 2 18" compvr's and 1 10 just 1 hit soooooo much harder
ssallstar598 on 03/24/2005 03:19:56
well i kinda still dont understand....
compvr15s on 03/24/2005 05:44:33
bigeasy you must of had a poor setup with your comp vrs, because i gurentee my two 15inch cvr hit harder than my two 12 inch solos ever did.... im sure the two tens are lous but there should be no way a single 10 inch sub will out thunp 36 inchs of woofers... must of had poor enclosure, improper wiring or something. what are you confused about ssallstar???? i can help you, just eed to know what ya are not understanding
Victor on 03/24/2005 07:01:58
I agree.. the sheer fact that total of surface area of 2 18" subs is more than a single 10" sub and the consideration of power, suggests that there is something wrong with the installation..
Please give detailed info and ask questions to solve the confusion if there is any ..
Victor...
ssallstar598 on 03/25/2005 18:10:19
no no, you just use a jumper cable from the pos with out a dot to the pos with a dot, then run a single wire from the coil with a dot to the amp, only 1 pos and 1 neg come out of your enclosure. the coils are connecedt in the enclosure using shorter pieces of wire
jumper cable? what is that
whats dot mean when u say from the pos w/o a dot to the pos w/ a dot
ssallstar598 on 03/25/2005 18:16:19
http://img8.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img8&image=1dvcparallel1yl.jpg
looking at this diagram and trying to apply what you said makes it look like your trying to wire it series
alanjlamore on 03/25/2005 19:40:19
That diagram is showing parallel wiring. I think what he means by the dots is that one voice coil has dots on it's positive and negative terminals and the other voice coil doesn't.
The jumper cable is just a short cable that "jumps" from one point to another. Just hook up a short piece of speaker wire from the positive of the first voice coil to the positive of the second voice coil.
Then hook up a short piece of wire from the negative of the first voice coil to the negative of the second voice coil.
Then connect a wire from one of the positives to the positive input on the amp, and a wire from one of the negatives to the negative of the amp.
ssallstar598 on 03/27/2005 19:40:23
well i sorta understood it after you said that - BUT i was looking at the manual to my JL subs and it showed wiring it parallel but more simplistic compared to swez and victors picture (either that or im just retarded lol)
swez on 03/27/2005 20:08:56
Hummm, sounds like a little blockage here. You may need to get some assistance on wiring for a guy that really understands what to do. It's really simple if we have done this before... but if that is not in your realm of understanding at the moment... learn for one who does.
It will help you see what the process is about and learn by watching skilled hands. It's OK to get that help from time to time. We all need that from time to time.
Swez
compvr15s on 03/27/2005 22:05:27
http://jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/index.html#1dvcp
does that look more like what your jl guid showed? on the bottom of kickers dual vc sub, there is just a plain terminal and then there is a terminal with a dot. does that clear it up, just imagine on the website i listed that the top side coil has the dots and the ones on the bottom do not. good luck
ssallstar598 on 03/28/2005 12:41:39
YES that is the way it looked thanks for all the help
i didnt look at the one on kicker but im sure its probly the same rite? thanks
Amp - Phoenix Gold Octane 800w mono 2 ohms
Woofer - Kicker L7 in sealed box (750 wrms) 2 ohms
looking for an alternator for my cadillac that has every stinkin power luxory in it if any of you know a cheap (or reasonably priced)/reliable place to get one let me know
the inside has the stock bose speakers 4"
all im lookin 4 in the system is sum bump in the trunk the inside is good enough for me as they sound pretty good for being 20 years old....
i have not yet purchased the amp/sub any suggestions might make me get something else so im open to any suggestions
Replies (35)
swez on 03/20/2005 17:46:35
Fine amp, good price and plenty of power. This amp is 2 ohms stable and cannot be run below that w/o problems. Your subs will have to be mated properly and wired such to get that magic 2 ohms for full power to subs.
Do you have subs now? If so, which brand and model?
Swez
ssallstar598 on 03/20/2005 23:43:25
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6221064&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat54900050004&id=1069299397134
they are 4 ohms... any ideas what kinda amp i should look at?
Munchiesyumm on 03/21/2005 01:30:04
Hi
Ssallstar, did you actually purchase the subwoofers from Best Buy? If you still have the reciept I highly suggest you take them back.
No offense, but you really don't want these subwoofers. You're just making an open window for upgrade later. These are low end subwoofers, thats why a place like best buy offers them. Don't feel bad, most of us learned the more exspensive way.
If you're debating a high end amp, why waste it on those subs? Definatly a so so SPL setup. These subwoofers will find the hardside blasting 600watts.
You can actually return them and spend roughly the same on a much nicer pair of subwoofers.
A great esample would be the Infinity Referense 12" subwoofers found at
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13354
You'd be much happier with these subwoofers, they'll perform much better than the DUAL. There a lot of brands out there that I like to classify as "rip-off" brands like. Lighting Audio, Legancy, Pyle, Dual, Boss, ect.. They use cheap parts and constructed poorly and strictly in the business for the money rather than quality. Theres a lot people out there that get fooled. Because you really would exspect them to be a higher quality than they are displayed as. It's all about the internals, thats what you'll learn here on this site. What to buy and what to stay away from.
There are very few respectable amplifier companies out there that are there to really make some clean efficent bass. Alpine, JBL, Pioneer Premier, Kicker, Orion, phoenix gold and MTX are the top picks.
For you're case you should be in the business to find a Monoblock amplifier (one channel) designed for subwoofer use only and are the most efficent.
Depending on you're spending range I can help you pickout an amplifier you will be very happy with.
For now I'll give you a couple ideas to look at.
Phoenix Gold R8.0:1
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=12982
Hifonics TX1005D
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14798
Soundstream RUB500/1 $159.00
http://www.acaraudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_36&products_id=457
Infinity Reference 610a $194
http://www.cardomain.com/item/INFREF610A
Or the infamous JBL BP600.1 (ask others were to find)
I usually check e-bay on this one $219 retail
swez on 03/21/2005 05:55:02
That Dual system is a 4 ohm box and will cut amp output power by 50% of what most sub amps can produce at 2 ohms.
Also, bandpass boxes are pretty odd animals. They are often tuned to a very narrow frequency range. We often call them "One note Wonders" as they sound very strong at tuned frequency, but degraded performance outside that range.
The thing I find most amusing, is that BB, CC and other large chains, push a high profit margin extended warranty service plan. That's basically saying 3 things:
1. We sell crap and expect it to fail! (so protect yourself)
2. We are greedy and turn a nice profit on most service agreements.
3. We think our customers are pretty much idiots and will abuse their gear anyway. Might as well make a profit on that too.
That is the general mentality of most chain stores I have been to. I also worked at a smaller chain store for a time and know the gig well. One can do much better in quality, performance and price off the net, if you know what to buy and where to buy it.
The key parts of great sound system are a well matched set of components (amps, speakers and enclosure) and a quality install. With some help from this forum, we can get you through each phase in short order. Hope you can return those subs. They are not what you really think they are.
Not meaning to be rude... but why say good things about marginal products?
Swez
PS If you really want some quality bass, The Octane, HiFonics, Infinity, JBL and Alpine amps are very solid performers. As for subs, consider Alpine, Infinity, Audiobahn, JBL, Kicker or a few others we can suggest. A pair of 2+2 DVC will work with larger amps. If you go for a smaller amp, (600 Wrms or less) a pair of 4 ohm single coils subs will be fine too.
MrBrownstone on 03/21/2005 15:15:30
The Octane series were a marketing ploy to help Phoenix compete in the arena of your 'overrated' products. All of their products in that line are rated 'sunny side up' and I wouldn't buy them as you'll just want to upgrade down the road shortly.
On a side note, Phoenix has been legendary at performance for decades. Their TOL stuff is as good as you can get.
ttocs on 03/21/2005 15:25:35
I agree with him. I used to love PG and EVERYTHING they made but in the last few years they have started to put out some crap along with their high end line. Can't blame them, they are out to make a buck just like everyone but I would not own anything under their TI line.
ssallstar598 on 03/21/2005 19:29:59
Yes i know they arent that great (buddy gave em to me for 20 bux after he bought some new ones) so i figured id upgrade along the road seeing as im out barely any money
I DO have 2 JL 12w0's but they are only 125 wrms apiece in a sealed box and i would like a little bit more bass... (500-600w atleast)
considering that if i purchase the amp that i want for the speakers when i upgrade i will most definately blow the JL's im actually selling the JL's for $200 to some1 at work
I am currently thinking about purchasing a
KICKER 05-S12L7 12" CHROME SOLO-BARIC
power range 75-750 watts RMS (375 watts per coil)
peak power handling 1,500 watts (750 per coil)
aluminum deposit cone
non-resonant aluminum basket
Santoprene rubber surround
dual 2-ohm voice coils for wiring flexibility
frequency response 20-100 Hz
sensitivity 86.6 dB
top-mount depth 6-11/16"
sealed box volume 0.88-2.0 cubic feet
ported box volume 1.75-3.25 cubic feet
can someone tell me EXACTLY how many watts RMS one of these will have? and also... does it sound bad if you have only 1 sub? every person ive ever seen has 2 so i was just wondering
ALSO can anyone show me a picture of the 2005 model of this sub? i would rather have it since it is a 2 ohm and on ebay they all look different but say the same thing
compvr15s on 03/21/2005 20:10:43
i used to have 12 inch solos. i ran one off a kx600.1 at first and it was feeding it plenty of power, sounded great in ported box, was not too fond of it in small sealed box, but with that big ported box it moved some serious air, with 600 watts, i ended up gettin another solo and another kx600 and then moved to a modest sized sealed box for the two, like 1.75 for each sub, sounded good but i think i had a grounding issue and blew them up constantly, so i rewired my system after blowing about 8 of them, before i got new ones i upgraded to 15 inch comp vrs, very happy with them as well...
if i was you i wouldnt go with the solo unless your doing it to be cool and show it off, id go with a set of comp vrs, 12's in medium ported box off a 600 watt amp would thump ur LAC like crazy, just my 2 cents tho. but trust me u can not go wrong with kicker products, their tech support is great, and if you buy off line prices are good too. if you want to save some money try finding last years model. i dont there was any difference between new and old models... good luck
ssallstar598 on 03/21/2005 20:30:25
well its not for showoff - i just heard its a REALLY good REALLY loud speaker and since ive set my mind on the phoenix gold octane 800wrms 2 ohm mono amp it looks like the PERFECT fit
one last question - how many amps would i need for my deck (4 speakers running off of it at 50w a speaker) 800w amp, and stock electronics?
84 for the system and about 60-70 for the car? im looking into alternators right now 180 amps i figured would be PLENTY
compvr15s on 03/21/2005 20:40:43
im sure 180 amps would be ideal, probably a little over kill, i dont think a car draws that power at one time but im not sure, id imagine with all power features it would draw more... but id say more like 120 -150 amp alt would do just fine, i was running 2 600 watt mono sub amps of a 95 amp alt with a good bat, and upgraded under the hood wires and i wasnt gettin any light dimming, so id say probably 110-120 amps being pulled with no problems...
as for subs...
the solo baric is a fine sub, just quite pricey if you asked me, when i bought my first one it cost me 450 dollars with a box from the stereo shop, so be careful,
have you looked at alpine type r's? they are great subs, plenty of spl and above average sq...
jl w3 are some decent subs as well that bump..
if your lookin for 15 inch subs id recommed the comp vrs to you, i have one of the loudest systems that i have heard, which means everyday driver, not built for spl competition or anything, but its pretty loud for 2 15s, and you can run 2 15s off that mentioned amp. just make sure you get dual two ohm subs and wire the sub in series so they get a 4 ohm load apiece, then wired the subs in parallel to get a 2 ohm load to the sub, if you run your amp at 4 omhs only get 400 watts.. any other questions just ask
ssallstar598 on 03/21/2005 23:25:20
well i was looking at purchasing one on ebay from one of the ebay store sellers that sell at warehouse prices still sealed in factory wrap and offer warrantys(169.99 Buy it now w/ 20-40 shipping) and i was gonna look into getting a single box w/ the vent
compvr15s on 03/21/2005 23:29:55
well the L7 will handle that power, its always better to give a sub good undistorted power instead of clipped power... it will handle less tho because being in a ported box, but you can always tune down the amp if need be, make sure to get a sub sonic filter if you go ported, dont want to play below port frequency, will damage ur sub... good luck, you will be happy with the L7.
ssallstar598 on 03/21/2005 23:40:51
compvr - u lost me w/ the whole less in ported box and sub sonic filter - would it be better to get a sealed (is sealed just wood w/ carpet?)
and are you saying it will get distorted clipping power?
compvr15s on 03/21/2005 23:49:32
no no im sorry. if you go with a ported box, the sub woofer takes less power to reach xmax. so instead of 750 rms its probably 550-600 watts. not a big deal... sub sonic filters are fairly cheap like 30 dollars, ur amp has i built in sub sonic filter so you will be fine. that amp will be fine for an L7 you just have to be carefull when setting gains..
you will not be clipping with that amp at 500 watts, it will be nice clean power...
if you are looking for the most bass possible and you listen to alot of music with deep bass, such as rap, a ported enclosure will be great.
ssallstar598 on 03/21/2005 23:57:41
yes i read about how to set your gain on your amp so u dont have any distortion (i think it was one of swez's articles)
i really appreciate your help man just 1 last question... lol do u know where i can get a nice alternator? 150 amps (i want to over kill it cause i put a 200 watt amp on my current alt awhile ago and the alt DIED! and my parents are freakin out about me putting another system in my car so ima be SAFE)
its for a 1985 fleetwood cadillac V8 4.1 liter FWD
compvr15s on 03/21/2005 23:57:59
i just checked pg's website and that is only a 600 watt rms amp, so its still pretty potent. will still provide good power for that L7
compvr15s on 03/22/2005 00:05:04
check ebay, or do google search, i know ohio generators make some ho alts, see if you can just have yours upgraded, may be cheaper, can be done at alt shops
ssallstar598 on 03/22/2005 00:14:53
thank and if i did a 2 ohm load on the amp wouldnt it be 800 thats what i remembered reading... although i read alotta amps that day so i could be mistaken...
OCTANE-R 8.0:1
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• High efficiency Class "D" monoblock amplifier
• 18dB variable LP crossover
• 18dB variable subsonic filter
• Low Pass Level port (LPL)
• Dimensions: 14.75L x 10.875W x 2.25H
800W x 1 (2 ohm mono)
max power
if your taking the Class into consideration then i could see y it would be 600 watts
compvr15s on 03/22/2005 00:18:23
800 max it said but it has 2 40 amp fuses so if im correct you take the amps x the current 12 volts, it comes out to 960 but i dunno if that correct, but pg said 800 max 600 rms
ssallstar598 on 03/22/2005 00:24:58
well thats still plenty for me
how would i wire the L7 i read swez and victors image tutorial... but i got really lost...
power range 75-750 watts RMS (375 watts per coil)
peak power handling 1,500 watts (750 per coil)
dual 2-ohm voice coils
frequency response 20-100 Hz
sensitivity 86.6 dB
compvr15s on 03/22/2005 00:29:53
you can not use the dual 2 ohm, you need the dual 4 ohm sub.
then wire both positives together and wire that to pos terminal on amp, then do the same with neg, both negs together and the wire to neg terminal on the amp. this is paralell wiring.
if you go series wiring then you will net a 4 ohm load, only gettin 35-450 watts. go with dual 4 omh, will be better option here
swez on 03/22/2005 09:14:09
Nice work Comp VR. Giving very good advice to this gent.
That Octane 8.0 will pull about 60-70A of current at full power. It is rated at 600 Wrms into a 2 ohm load. Your car needs a minimum of ~50A to run properly. The HU pulls under 15A of current at full volume. So, a 150 -180A ALT will do well if the stock system does not supply adequate power.
As for the Kicker sub, get the 4+4 DVC. When both coils are wired in parallel, you get 2 ohms. The proper wiring diagram to use here is:
http://img8.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img8&image=1dvcparallel1yl.jpg
Finally, a well designed, port or vented enclosure will give you plenty of deep bass. Kicker's web sit has suggestions on what options and sizes are useful. Here are the recommended ranges for sealed and ported boxes. The larger the box, the more deep bass you will get.
» sealed box volume 0.8-2.0 cubic feet
» ported box volume: 1.75-3.25 cubic feet
I believe Sub Zone makes a few boxes specifically designed for Kicker Solobarics. Should be able to hit on one for a good price off e-bay.
Good luck,
Swez
ssallstar598 on 03/22/2005 13:43:06
swez - the wiring diagram basically means that the + on each coil is going to the amp using its own wire and the - on each is going to the amp using its own wire
compvr15s on 03/22/2005 18:35:02
no no, you just use a jumper cable from the pos with out a dot to the pos with a dot, then run a single wire from the coil with a dot to the amp, only 1 pos and 1 neg come out of your enclosure. the coils are connecedt in the enclosure using shorter pieces of wire
Bigeazy4387 on 03/23/2005 11:32:01
just for another opinion i had 2 solobaric l7 10's they were the best subs i ever had just give them enough power anfd make sure you put them in a vented box. lets just say i have 2 18" compvr's and 1 10 just 1 hit soooooo much harder
ssallstar598 on 03/24/2005 03:19:56
well i kinda still dont understand....
compvr15s on 03/24/2005 05:44:33
bigeasy you must of had a poor setup with your comp vrs, because i gurentee my two 15inch cvr hit harder than my two 12 inch solos ever did.... im sure the two tens are lous but there should be no way a single 10 inch sub will out thunp 36 inchs of woofers... must of had poor enclosure, improper wiring or something. what are you confused about ssallstar???? i can help you, just eed to know what ya are not understanding
Victor on 03/24/2005 07:01:58
I agree.. the sheer fact that total of surface area of 2 18" subs is more than a single 10" sub and the consideration of power, suggests that there is something wrong with the installation..
Please give detailed info and ask questions to solve the confusion if there is any ..
Victor...
ssallstar598 on 03/25/2005 18:10:19
no no, you just use a jumper cable from the pos with out a dot to the pos with a dot, then run a single wire from the coil with a dot to the amp, only 1 pos and 1 neg come out of your enclosure. the coils are connecedt in the enclosure using shorter pieces of wire
jumper cable? what is that
whats dot mean when u say from the pos w/o a dot to the pos w/ a dot
ssallstar598 on 03/25/2005 18:16:19
http://img8.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img8&image=1dvcparallel1yl.jpg
looking at this diagram and trying to apply what you said makes it look like your trying to wire it series
alanjlamore on 03/25/2005 19:40:19
That diagram is showing parallel wiring. I think what he means by the dots is that one voice coil has dots on it's positive and negative terminals and the other voice coil doesn't.
The jumper cable is just a short cable that "jumps" from one point to another. Just hook up a short piece of speaker wire from the positive of the first voice coil to the positive of the second voice coil.
Then hook up a short piece of wire from the negative of the first voice coil to the negative of the second voice coil.
Then connect a wire from one of the positives to the positive input on the amp, and a wire from one of the negatives to the negative of the amp.
ssallstar598 on 03/27/2005 19:40:23
well i sorta understood it after you said that - BUT i was looking at the manual to my JL subs and it showed wiring it parallel but more simplistic compared to swez and victors picture (either that or im just retarded lol)
swez on 03/27/2005 20:08:56
Hummm, sounds like a little blockage here. You may need to get some assistance on wiring for a guy that really understands what to do. It's really simple if we have done this before... but if that is not in your realm of understanding at the moment... learn for one who does.
It will help you see what the process is about and learn by watching skilled hands. It's OK to get that help from time to time. We all need that from time to time.
Swez
compvr15s on 03/27/2005 22:05:27
http://jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/index.html#1dvcp
does that look more like what your jl guid showed? on the bottom of kickers dual vc sub, there is just a plain terminal and then there is a terminal with a dot. does that clear it up, just imagine on the website i listed that the top side coil has the dots and the ones on the bottom do not. good luck
ssallstar598 on 03/28/2005 12:41:39
YES that is the way it looked thanks for all the help
i didnt look at the one on kicker but im sure its probly the same rite? thanks
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