Hi there, this might be a dumb question but Can Components be installed as Coaxials? The reason I ask is that I was going to buy these Coax speakers: Infinity Reference 6002si, but then, when I looked around, I found these Component speakers for the same price MA Audio Y3K6C 6-1/2" Component System. 80 bucks for either one. Also, these would be going in the rear of the car so I'm wondering, would it make a diff? Coax VS Comps, MA Audio VS Infinity.
Thanks a bunch
Replies (34)
uochronos on 02/5/2005 22:27:17
MA makes some good entry level components my buddy has a set and i was very impressed by them... cheap components are usualy better then coaxils no matter where they are going... yes a 6.5 comp well fit in the spot of the coaxil but you well need to use the tiny screws the tweeter comes with and mount it near by very simple...
also the crossover well need to be near by unless you dont mind running the wires from it for aways.
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/5/2005 22:49:37
So my next question is then, is it worth putting components in the rear? cuz i thought i heard something about it not making to much of a difference if they are in the rear
Mr._Miyagi on 02/5/2005 22:50:05
also, do you have any idea about how to remove the carpeting that is on the trunk lid?
uochronos on 02/5/2005 22:59:58
alot of times the carpeting is glued on adn there isnt a super easy way to get off..
honestly i'm running comps in my rear... you can skimp in the back and wont be a huge deal but if its the same money or close to it i would go components.
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/5/2005 23:16:15
ok thanks a bunch Chronos, you have really been a huge help throughout this process.
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 15:53:57
well, good news, turned out all i had to do was pull off the speaker cover and then unscrew the speakers and that was it, much easier then I thought. And for the front, I just had to unscrew most of the dash and and unscrew the speakers. It was good.
My next issue is that when I was removing the old speakers, i noticed they were connected by wires which at the end had a white plastic thing that slid into the other plastic wire thing. This is a problem because my new 6 and 1/2'' speakers don't have those, or any wires for that matter, So how do I connect them?
I will also put this in my other topic, just to raise the chances i get an answer.
uochronos on 02/6/2005 17:22:29
well the way most people do it is the fast easy way... they cut the wires and wire the bare wires using solder or crimps right to the new aftermarket speaker.
the really profesional way to do it is to find an adaptor for the stock plug that goes topare wire or to a clip that well hook to the new speakers...
i personaly cut the clips usualy on my cars... how often do you put the stock speakers back in?
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 17:32:11
i could crimp it even though the new speakers dont have any wires?
Also, new head unit face off, this time i'm sticking with the advice and I will stop looking. Panasonic MXE CQ-C1401U VS Pioneer DEH-P3700MP. I decided to let the Alpines go because they seemed like less of a value for the price. Between the Pioneer and panasonic which do you think?
uochronos on 02/6/2005 18:13:36
Pioneer would be my first choice... between those 2... assuming that is a piooneer premier if its a standard pioneer then i would go with which ever is cheaper.
just to put things into spec
this is just my opinion but
Alpine
Pioneer
Kenwood
JVC
panasonic
would be my choices in that order... i think most can agree that Alpine are the best of the best readily avalible HU's
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 18:16:41
I dont know if its pioneer premier, it is that model from crutchfield.com and as for the Alpine thing, I don't see why its better, its got less RMS watts then the pioneer and no features that the Pioneer doesnt have. Could you explain to me why Alpine is better?
audeogod on 02/6/2005 18:26:19
That is an excellent question, and I'd like to know myself. Could it be reliability? My Pioneer has been going for 5 years though. Never had any problems, and it's not a Premier, it's a Wal-Mart deck.
uochronos on 02/6/2005 18:37:00
both are reliable i would never suggest one that is not..
Many Alpines put out alot more RMS power then other brands using a anmp system they call Vdrie i belive..
Also many alpines have delay featurs making it so you can delay the sound in say the driver side speaker that is closer so that the sound from the passenger and the driver side hit you at the same time.
they tend to have really nice EQ's and DSP's... etc
Dont get me wrong i have a 4 year old Pioneer premier... its a wonderfull easy to use deck.
however the EQ on it isnt the best. and it has no time delay like i described many alpine units haveing.. in general alpine just makes some very nice equipment from subs and components to HU's and amps.
also why are you shopping crutchfield? way way over priced.. i suggest deciding on a HU whether it be an alpine or a pioneer you well nto be disapointed. then goto www.froogle.com and www.ebay.com and search for the model you want you can probaly get the price way down.
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 18:41:13
i'm using crutchfield because they provide all the materials and instructions I need, plus u know tech support, and I can demo the stuff and send it back if i dont like it with no restocking fee.
Could you tell me if the Pioneer model i selected is Premier? I can't figure it out. Also, this is the alpine model I was comparing the others to Alpine CDE-9843 and it doesnt seem to have any of the features you were saying made Alpine good.
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 18:45:51
Suprisingly, Crutchfield has the best price on the Alpine H/U when you factor in Shipping, especially on ebay where they like to do like 30 dollar shipping. The only other store with a better price, was 5 dollars cheaper and didn't offer any of those services I mentioned that Crutchfield offers.
swez on 02/6/2005 18:52:47
Regarding speaker connections off the OEM wiring... 3M Scotch-Locs are a good option here too. Just solder wires to new speakers and leave a pigtail of 6" or so. Then, just slit the OEM wires apart enough to insert the splicers. You can leave the OEM connector harness in place and if you sell the car, can just pull the good speakers out and reinstall OEM speakers as before.
Swez
PS Observe polarity on the wires as you connect to new speakers. The ground often has a black stripe and the Pos wire is a solid color. That may very from vehicle to vehicle of different makers.
uochronos on 02/6/2005 19:04:32
between that alpine and that Pioneer i would go with the pioneer only becuase it has more preouts..
but i still think you could find a nicer pioneer or alpine on ebay for 150$ or so shipped..
Chronos
uochronos on 02/6/2005 19:06:43
also the free insatll instructions and harness for some vehicles that cructch field gives you can be had for less then 10$ so dont get to excited just because you get that... its sort of a way to make there prices look more reasonable..
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 20:59:47
well, i guess i have to rule out ebay, cuz im suspended from there...i dunno anymore...I'm starting to think this whole car audio thing isnt worth it. I guess ill just install the free speakers and nothing else. Thanks for all your help though guys, it has been a real learning experiance.
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 21:24:14
what do you guys think? If I do this, all this stuff would be going into a 15 year old car that could break down anyday, and even if it lasts, I will be going off to college in about 1 and 1/2 years. Do you guys think 300 buck is worth 1.5 years of musical enjoyment?
uochronos on 02/6/2005 21:28:35
hehe i'm a huge audiophile i have spent thousands on my car just to drive to work and back... because i enjoy it that much... if you enjoy it get the stuff... if you are tight on cash and would rather get something else then do that..
honestly either of those HU's you listed would be good aside from the Preouts there are almost identical...
Chronos
PS my first car was 20 years old and it lasted till i sold it 2 years later no major problems... take care of it and a 15 year old car well last you if its in good shape..
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 21:41:49
I think I will go ahead with it, I was just discouraged cuz I was hoping my parents would help out a little on the money, but instead they insisted the car would just die, so there was no point. Also, I had just dropped 550 bucks on home theater equipment, so once I do this, it will be like one summers worth of money gone. But I think I will do it. I really wish I could use ebay cuz I found this great auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39750&item=5749891446&rd=1
Anyhow, if any of you guys are lookin for a steal, check that out.
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 23:24:27
Well folks, I may hate myself later when i'm broke...but i finally did it and bought the stuff. I decided on the Pioneer H/U, the JBL GTO 4'' speaks and thats it for now, i'll stick wit my new/old free sony 6.5'' in back and upgrade if i feel like it. Thanks a bunch for all your help, I will probably be back wit more instal questions.
swez on 02/7/2005 07:06:36
Domo Miyagi-san,
Think of your purchases as portable investments. Buy them as you can fit them into the budget. Bit by bit, piece at a time and watch your investment grow as you enjoy the new gear and their new found performance.
If you car does die an needs to be replaced, the HU and front speakers are removable and return to stock speakers and HU if you sell the car. Mazda does make a pretty decent car. The engine and drive train are pretty solid. The suspension system and brakes are the major items that need regular attention. Not sure how well the body will hold up. Depends on the climate you live in. In all, a pretty solid car. It's very possible to get 150 -200,000 miles on this vehicle, if well maintained.
Back to audio again... our cars can become a driveable concert hall. If that is important to you and you drive a lot, why not enjoy the whole experience? Getting some very good recommendations on products here. Alpine or upper end Pioneer HU's are the tools of choice by many of our advanced readers and Golds. Buy only the features needed to maintain control of your budget. But allow for upgrades like outboard amps, to get the most enjoyment from the system.
Finally, the speakers are the soul of any great sounding system. Yes, we can trim costs with less expensive rear speakers. But don't scrimp on the front stage speakers. If you follow this basic formula, and the advice given by others thus far, you'll have many hours of audio driving pleasure. Just be sure to hang on to your factory gear. If the car dies or it is sold, take out "the good stuff" and use it in your next ride.
Ohio-gozimis, (good morning... in Japanese)
Swez
Mr._Miyagi on 02/7/2005 13:49:38
well folks, even better news, turns out that I never got a Channukah present from my folks and therefore they are going to pay for some of my recent purchase. soooo naturally, I'm thinking about the next upgrade. If these free speakers turn out to sound good then I will move on to the next item, which I believe is subwoofers and an Amp right? If this is the case I will most definitily be lookin for suggestions, but it will be a while, since I want to install these things that I have now first. Thanks for all your help
P.S. Swez, I dont mean to be rude, just helpin you wit your japanese. Correct English Spelling would be Ohio-Gozaimas, its phonetic (sp.?). If you want any advice on that I can help!
Mr._Miyagi on 02/7/2005 20:12:37
Ok Quick Huddle guys, since I have some extra $$$ now, which of these should I buy for the rear?
MA Audio MA629C
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14717
MA Audio Y30C6
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14715
MA Audio Y3K6C
http://www.thezeb.com/p-MA-Audio-Y3K6C-6-1-2-inch-Component-System-102801.htm
CDT Audio CL-61A 6-1/2"
http://www.thezeb.com/p-CDT-Audio-CL-61A-6-1-2-inch-Component-System-101083.htm
Or am I being ridiculous? Should I spend the money on something else? I want a good quality 4'' since it is up front, and right now I have the JBL GTO426 headed my way but compared to any of those 6.5''s, they seem inaddiquit (sp.)...Any advice?
uochronos on 02/7/2005 20:18:59
out of those choices i would take the CDT's just a personal preferance though i have a set of EF series CDT comps and i wouldn trade them for any other brand they are wonderful. and from what i hear about the CL-61a they are no exception to the quality..
having the 6.5 comps in the back you may have to tone them down a bit with the fade control but thats no big deal..
it matters though how your system sound currently... if it sounds ok on the mids and highs maybe its time to get a sub...
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/7/2005 20:21:54
do you think I should look for better 4''? Cuz it seems out of balance, If I spend like 150 on the 6.5s and then 80 on the 4'' when the 4'' are supposed to be my main speakers? Am I worrying too much?
uochronos on 02/7/2005 20:30:49
well i perosanly like to run larger speakers in the rear stage... i usualy go with 5.25 front adn 6.5 rear... thats just a persoanl preferance..
i think you got a pretty good 4" components and well be pleased. no 4" is going to put out alot of bass nothing below say 150hz... so having a decent set of 6.5's in the rear well really richen up the midbass area.
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/7/2005 20:49:10
ok thanks so much Chronos, I don't know how you can answer so many questions, but I really do appreciate it so much! Thanks
uochronos on 02/7/2005 20:53:33
Well i have no life.... just joking:)
Glad to help though hehe. the computer is right inbetween all the rooms in my home so everytime i walk by i hit refresh and if i have time awnser some questions...
Chronos
swez on 02/7/2005 23:22:45
Miyagi-san,
Thanks for the correction on Japanese... it's been 20 years since I worked for TDK... am a bit rusty on my Japanese, but you got the idea. as just trying to meet you on your own turf a bit. SMILE
Chronos is definitely right on track in his recommendations. Since I have not seen anything related to adding subs at the moment, larger round cones in back are a good way to capture good lower end Midbass. (50 Hz and up) You can go 2-way or just a 6.5" MB driver here.
For the front, a 4" midrange plus a well aimed tweeter, will very much improve front stage performance. As Chronos mentioned, 150 Hz and up are about what to expect. That's fine for vocals, most instrumentation but not bass. The JBL speakers mentioned are 2-way coaxials. Am sure they will be much better than stock. But, w/o the ability to aim the tweeters, your options are limited.
If you want bass, need more power and cone area. A powered 10" sub (150-200 Wrms) would be plenty if no other amps are used.
Note: If your new HU does not have built in crossover features, a simple passive crossover networks for the front and rear speakers should do the trick. Bass Blockers from Crutchfield or other sites will do the job just fine.
Syonara, (sp?)
Swez
Mr._Miyagi on 02/8/2005 09:58:55
Thanks Swez. Do you think I should get the CDT speakers I mentioned with the new $150 that I have and then save for the woofers or stick with my sonys and get a woofer now? Any brand suggestions? I'm goin towards SQ. Also any suggestions for 4'' Components? Would I have to drill another hole for the tweeter?
uochronos on 02/8/2005 15:41:52
you could drill a hold for the tweeter... about a 1.1inch hole and fluch mount the tweeter in the door pannel... or what i did was surface mount it which only takes 2 very tiny screws... i moved them from the first local and used some black caulking type stuff and puched it into the tiny holes. Now you cant even tell holes where there unless you get closer to the dash pillar then anyone should.
Honestly i'm a SQ nut and would do anything to raise my SQ just a little bit. I would go with the CDT's in there rear. however most people dont demand the kind of perfection i'm trying to achieve.
so with that said i suggest listening to the current setup you have with the sonys in the back... if it sounds good to you that is all that matters... then i would save the 150$ and get around 200$ and we can find you a moderate amp and sud that well really spice up that system
That or find a decent pair of 4 inch components for the front. really the front is alot more important then the rear i drive a truck and dont even have rear door speakers insatlled currently and it sounds good.
also i'm correct that the current 4" speakers you have arnt comps right? sort of hard to keep track in this post its huge lol... maybe you could make a post of what you currently have... would really help us see the whole picture and advise you from there.
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/8/2005 17:24:29
sure, ill start a new one up
Thanks a bunch
Replies (34)
uochronos on 02/5/2005 22:27:17
MA makes some good entry level components my buddy has a set and i was very impressed by them... cheap components are usualy better then coaxils no matter where they are going... yes a 6.5 comp well fit in the spot of the coaxil but you well need to use the tiny screws the tweeter comes with and mount it near by very simple...
also the crossover well need to be near by unless you dont mind running the wires from it for aways.
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/5/2005 22:49:37
So my next question is then, is it worth putting components in the rear? cuz i thought i heard something about it not making to much of a difference if they are in the rear
Mr._Miyagi on 02/5/2005 22:50:05
also, do you have any idea about how to remove the carpeting that is on the trunk lid?
uochronos on 02/5/2005 22:59:58
alot of times the carpeting is glued on adn there isnt a super easy way to get off..
honestly i'm running comps in my rear... you can skimp in the back and wont be a huge deal but if its the same money or close to it i would go components.
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/5/2005 23:16:15
ok thanks a bunch Chronos, you have really been a huge help throughout this process.
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 15:53:57
well, good news, turned out all i had to do was pull off the speaker cover and then unscrew the speakers and that was it, much easier then I thought. And for the front, I just had to unscrew most of the dash and and unscrew the speakers. It was good.
My next issue is that when I was removing the old speakers, i noticed they were connected by wires which at the end had a white plastic thing that slid into the other plastic wire thing. This is a problem because my new 6 and 1/2'' speakers don't have those, or any wires for that matter, So how do I connect them?
I will also put this in my other topic, just to raise the chances i get an answer.
uochronos on 02/6/2005 17:22:29
well the way most people do it is the fast easy way... they cut the wires and wire the bare wires using solder or crimps right to the new aftermarket speaker.
the really profesional way to do it is to find an adaptor for the stock plug that goes topare wire or to a clip that well hook to the new speakers...
i personaly cut the clips usualy on my cars... how often do you put the stock speakers back in?
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 17:32:11
i could crimp it even though the new speakers dont have any wires?
Also, new head unit face off, this time i'm sticking with the advice and I will stop looking. Panasonic MXE CQ-C1401U VS Pioneer DEH-P3700MP. I decided to let the Alpines go because they seemed like less of a value for the price. Between the Pioneer and panasonic which do you think?
uochronos on 02/6/2005 18:13:36
Pioneer would be my first choice... between those 2... assuming that is a piooneer premier if its a standard pioneer then i would go with which ever is cheaper.
just to put things into spec
this is just my opinion but
Alpine
Pioneer
Kenwood
JVC
panasonic
would be my choices in that order... i think most can agree that Alpine are the best of the best readily avalible HU's
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 18:16:41
I dont know if its pioneer premier, it is that model from crutchfield.com and as for the Alpine thing, I don't see why its better, its got less RMS watts then the pioneer and no features that the Pioneer doesnt have. Could you explain to me why Alpine is better?
audeogod on 02/6/2005 18:26:19
That is an excellent question, and I'd like to know myself. Could it be reliability? My Pioneer has been going for 5 years though. Never had any problems, and it's not a Premier, it's a Wal-Mart deck.
uochronos on 02/6/2005 18:37:00
both are reliable i would never suggest one that is not..
Many Alpines put out alot more RMS power then other brands using a anmp system they call Vdrie i belive..
Also many alpines have delay featurs making it so you can delay the sound in say the driver side speaker that is closer so that the sound from the passenger and the driver side hit you at the same time.
they tend to have really nice EQ's and DSP's... etc
Dont get me wrong i have a 4 year old Pioneer premier... its a wonderfull easy to use deck.
however the EQ on it isnt the best. and it has no time delay like i described many alpine units haveing.. in general alpine just makes some very nice equipment from subs and components to HU's and amps.
also why are you shopping crutchfield? way way over priced.. i suggest deciding on a HU whether it be an alpine or a pioneer you well nto be disapointed. then goto www.froogle.com and www.ebay.com and search for the model you want you can probaly get the price way down.
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 18:41:13
i'm using crutchfield because they provide all the materials and instructions I need, plus u know tech support, and I can demo the stuff and send it back if i dont like it with no restocking fee.
Could you tell me if the Pioneer model i selected is Premier? I can't figure it out. Also, this is the alpine model I was comparing the others to Alpine CDE-9843 and it doesnt seem to have any of the features you were saying made Alpine good.
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 18:45:51
Suprisingly, Crutchfield has the best price on the Alpine H/U when you factor in Shipping, especially on ebay where they like to do like 30 dollar shipping. The only other store with a better price, was 5 dollars cheaper and didn't offer any of those services I mentioned that Crutchfield offers.
swez on 02/6/2005 18:52:47
Regarding speaker connections off the OEM wiring... 3M Scotch-Locs are a good option here too. Just solder wires to new speakers and leave a pigtail of 6" or so. Then, just slit the OEM wires apart enough to insert the splicers. You can leave the OEM connector harness in place and if you sell the car, can just pull the good speakers out and reinstall OEM speakers as before.
Swez
PS Observe polarity on the wires as you connect to new speakers. The ground often has a black stripe and the Pos wire is a solid color. That may very from vehicle to vehicle of different makers.
uochronos on 02/6/2005 19:04:32
between that alpine and that Pioneer i would go with the pioneer only becuase it has more preouts..
but i still think you could find a nicer pioneer or alpine on ebay for 150$ or so shipped..
Chronos
uochronos on 02/6/2005 19:06:43
also the free insatll instructions and harness for some vehicles that cructch field gives you can be had for less then 10$ so dont get to excited just because you get that... its sort of a way to make there prices look more reasonable..
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 20:59:47
well, i guess i have to rule out ebay, cuz im suspended from there...i dunno anymore...I'm starting to think this whole car audio thing isnt worth it. I guess ill just install the free speakers and nothing else. Thanks for all your help though guys, it has been a real learning experiance.
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 21:24:14
what do you guys think? If I do this, all this stuff would be going into a 15 year old car that could break down anyday, and even if it lasts, I will be going off to college in about 1 and 1/2 years. Do you guys think 300 buck is worth 1.5 years of musical enjoyment?
uochronos on 02/6/2005 21:28:35
hehe i'm a huge audiophile i have spent thousands on my car just to drive to work and back... because i enjoy it that much... if you enjoy it get the stuff... if you are tight on cash and would rather get something else then do that..
honestly either of those HU's you listed would be good aside from the Preouts there are almost identical...
Chronos
PS my first car was 20 years old and it lasted till i sold it 2 years later no major problems... take care of it and a 15 year old car well last you if its in good shape..
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 21:41:49
I think I will go ahead with it, I was just discouraged cuz I was hoping my parents would help out a little on the money, but instead they insisted the car would just die, so there was no point. Also, I had just dropped 550 bucks on home theater equipment, so once I do this, it will be like one summers worth of money gone. But I think I will do it. I really wish I could use ebay cuz I found this great auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39750&item=5749891446&rd=1
Anyhow, if any of you guys are lookin for a steal, check that out.
Mr._Miyagi on 02/6/2005 23:24:27
Well folks, I may hate myself later when i'm broke...but i finally did it and bought the stuff. I decided on the Pioneer H/U, the JBL GTO 4'' speaks and thats it for now, i'll stick wit my new/old free sony 6.5'' in back and upgrade if i feel like it. Thanks a bunch for all your help, I will probably be back wit more instal questions.
swez on 02/7/2005 07:06:36
Domo Miyagi-san,
Think of your purchases as portable investments. Buy them as you can fit them into the budget. Bit by bit, piece at a time and watch your investment grow as you enjoy the new gear and their new found performance.
If you car does die an needs to be replaced, the HU and front speakers are removable and return to stock speakers and HU if you sell the car. Mazda does make a pretty decent car. The engine and drive train are pretty solid. The suspension system and brakes are the major items that need regular attention. Not sure how well the body will hold up. Depends on the climate you live in. In all, a pretty solid car. It's very possible to get 150 -200,000 miles on this vehicle, if well maintained.
Back to audio again... our cars can become a driveable concert hall. If that is important to you and you drive a lot, why not enjoy the whole experience? Getting some very good recommendations on products here. Alpine or upper end Pioneer HU's are the tools of choice by many of our advanced readers and Golds. Buy only the features needed to maintain control of your budget. But allow for upgrades like outboard amps, to get the most enjoyment from the system.
Finally, the speakers are the soul of any great sounding system. Yes, we can trim costs with less expensive rear speakers. But don't scrimp on the front stage speakers. If you follow this basic formula, and the advice given by others thus far, you'll have many hours of audio driving pleasure. Just be sure to hang on to your factory gear. If the car dies or it is sold, take out "the good stuff" and use it in your next ride.
Ohio-gozimis, (good morning... in Japanese)
Swez
Mr._Miyagi on 02/7/2005 13:49:38
well folks, even better news, turns out that I never got a Channukah present from my folks and therefore they are going to pay for some of my recent purchase. soooo naturally, I'm thinking about the next upgrade. If these free speakers turn out to sound good then I will move on to the next item, which I believe is subwoofers and an Amp right? If this is the case I will most definitily be lookin for suggestions, but it will be a while, since I want to install these things that I have now first. Thanks for all your help
P.S. Swez, I dont mean to be rude, just helpin you wit your japanese. Correct English Spelling would be Ohio-Gozaimas, its phonetic (sp.?). If you want any advice on that I can help!
Mr._Miyagi on 02/7/2005 20:12:37
Ok Quick Huddle guys, since I have some extra $$$ now, which of these should I buy for the rear?
MA Audio MA629C
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14717
MA Audio Y30C6
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14715
MA Audio Y3K6C
http://www.thezeb.com/p-MA-Audio-Y3K6C-6-1-2-inch-Component-System-102801.htm
CDT Audio CL-61A 6-1/2"
http://www.thezeb.com/p-CDT-Audio-CL-61A-6-1-2-inch-Component-System-101083.htm
Or am I being ridiculous? Should I spend the money on something else? I want a good quality 4'' since it is up front, and right now I have the JBL GTO426 headed my way but compared to any of those 6.5''s, they seem inaddiquit (sp.)...Any advice?
uochronos on 02/7/2005 20:18:59
out of those choices i would take the CDT's just a personal preferance though i have a set of EF series CDT comps and i wouldn trade them for any other brand they are wonderful. and from what i hear about the CL-61a they are no exception to the quality..
having the 6.5 comps in the back you may have to tone them down a bit with the fade control but thats no big deal..
it matters though how your system sound currently... if it sounds ok on the mids and highs maybe its time to get a sub...
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/7/2005 20:21:54
do you think I should look for better 4''? Cuz it seems out of balance, If I spend like 150 on the 6.5s and then 80 on the 4'' when the 4'' are supposed to be my main speakers? Am I worrying too much?
uochronos on 02/7/2005 20:30:49
well i perosanly like to run larger speakers in the rear stage... i usualy go with 5.25 front adn 6.5 rear... thats just a persoanl preferance..
i think you got a pretty good 4" components and well be pleased. no 4" is going to put out alot of bass nothing below say 150hz... so having a decent set of 6.5's in the rear well really richen up the midbass area.
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/7/2005 20:49:10
ok thanks so much Chronos, I don't know how you can answer so many questions, but I really do appreciate it so much! Thanks
uochronos on 02/7/2005 20:53:33
Well i have no life.... just joking:)
Glad to help though hehe. the computer is right inbetween all the rooms in my home so everytime i walk by i hit refresh and if i have time awnser some questions...
Chronos
swez on 02/7/2005 23:22:45
Miyagi-san,
Thanks for the correction on Japanese... it's been 20 years since I worked for TDK... am a bit rusty on my Japanese, but you got the idea. as just trying to meet you on your own turf a bit. SMILE
Chronos is definitely right on track in his recommendations. Since I have not seen anything related to adding subs at the moment, larger round cones in back are a good way to capture good lower end Midbass. (50 Hz and up) You can go 2-way or just a 6.5" MB driver here.
For the front, a 4" midrange plus a well aimed tweeter, will very much improve front stage performance. As Chronos mentioned, 150 Hz and up are about what to expect. That's fine for vocals, most instrumentation but not bass. The JBL speakers mentioned are 2-way coaxials. Am sure they will be much better than stock. But, w/o the ability to aim the tweeters, your options are limited.
If you want bass, need more power and cone area. A powered 10" sub (150-200 Wrms) would be plenty if no other amps are used.
Note: If your new HU does not have built in crossover features, a simple passive crossover networks for the front and rear speakers should do the trick. Bass Blockers from Crutchfield or other sites will do the job just fine.
Syonara, (sp?)
Swez
Mr._Miyagi on 02/8/2005 09:58:55
Thanks Swez. Do you think I should get the CDT speakers I mentioned with the new $150 that I have and then save for the woofers or stick with my sonys and get a woofer now? Any brand suggestions? I'm goin towards SQ. Also any suggestions for 4'' Components? Would I have to drill another hole for the tweeter?
uochronos on 02/8/2005 15:41:52
you could drill a hold for the tweeter... about a 1.1inch hole and fluch mount the tweeter in the door pannel... or what i did was surface mount it which only takes 2 very tiny screws... i moved them from the first local and used some black caulking type stuff and puched it into the tiny holes. Now you cant even tell holes where there unless you get closer to the dash pillar then anyone should.
Honestly i'm a SQ nut and would do anything to raise my SQ just a little bit. I would go with the CDT's in there rear. however most people dont demand the kind of perfection i'm trying to achieve.
so with that said i suggest listening to the current setup you have with the sonys in the back... if it sounds good to you that is all that matters... then i would save the 150$ and get around 200$ and we can find you a moderate amp and sud that well really spice up that system
That or find a decent pair of 4 inch components for the front. really the front is alot more important then the rear i drive a truck and dont even have rear door speakers insatlled currently and it sounds good.
also i'm correct that the current 4" speakers you have arnt comps right? sort of hard to keep track in this post its huge lol... maybe you could make a post of what you currently have... would really help us see the whole picture and advise you from there.
Chronos
Mr._Miyagi on 02/8/2005 17:24:29
sure, ill start a new one up
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