whenever i go to turn my system on with the key only my subs come on. and if i leave the car on accessory for 5-10 seconds the regular speakers will turn on when i start the car. How do i fix this delay? also after the regular speakers have been on i can change the car back to accessory and they work fine. just not before the 5-10sec warm up.
Replies (31)
swez on 12/25/2004 19:11:12
Seems like there may be a secondary amp for the interior speakers in the audio chain? The HU seems to give the sub am a signal, so there is a HU signal present to make that happen.
Some aftermarket amps (ALPINE) have a delay feature on them. If you have one of these, check out the delay settings and adjust as needed.
If this is a Factory system, (amped Infinity system) there may be a few wiring issues to track down. Say more about the complete system OK?
Swez
zyxw05 on 12/25/2004 20:10:18
the speakers hook directly into the deck.. i'm about 99% sure cuz i wired the car myself. any other suggestions
P0werLifter on 12/25/2004 23:52:51
What type of HU are u running, how long ago did u wire the car, you say there is no second amplifier powering the interior speakers but you have another amplifier for the subs?
zyxw05 on 12/26/2004 18:32:20
HU?? sorry i'm kinda new to audio terms. but the speakers hook strait into the deck. and the 2 subs connect through the amp i have.
Victor on 12/26/2004 20:12:23
what deck do you have??... HU means head unit (deck)..
please provide the manufacturer.. model number and year of make.
Victor..
zyxw05 on 12/27/2004 00:05:25
i'm not sure on the year of the HU but it is a dual XD6200
Victor on 12/27/2004 03:39:52
http://www.dualav.com/product_individual.php?main=2&id=391#
is this the one you have...???
Victor...
swez on 12/27/2004 11:26:13
Am not familiar with this model HU or the problem you are seeing. I suspect the problem is either menu driven features or have something to do with wiring the power leads to your vehicle.
May wist to contact Dual and ask them for specific details. The install manual does not cover this aspect in a troubleshooting tree.
1 866.626.7863 Toll free # too.
Swez
zyxw05 on 12/27/2004 15:52:01
victor that is the model i have. in the next few days i am going to go through and recheck all of the wiring.. and possibly put new wire in to see if this fixes the problem
uochronos on 12/27/2004 16:28:38
i belive swez is right here i dont see a way this is caused by the speaker wire if your ran wire stright from deck to speakers. i would think this is a deck problem i have seen decks with delayed on settings infact my first one had a 5 second delay a cheap sony deck.
i would assume this is a similar thing maybe it can be turned off or perhaps its a defect in some internal circuit in the deck.
before rewiring everything i suggest calling the company as swez suggested if its just a option you have to change or a built in feature it well save you alot of wiring work to find that out first.
Chronos
zyxw05 on 12/27/2004 23:07:19
when talking with some friends of mine about this. they had said that it might be a bad ground to the deck
Victor on 12/28/2004 05:23:14
dunno how grounding problems can lead to this kind of delay .....
Victor..
CSR on 12/28/2004 12:46:51
If it was the ground causing the problem, then the whole system would have a delay turning on. Since the remote to the sub amp is working right, then the internal amp has a problem. If you have a seperate ground for the interal amp I could see that. But more likeky it's a setting or a short inside the HU. You should call the company and see what they say or get into the HU menu and see if there is a setting for delayed on and turn it off.
zyxw05 on 12/28/2004 21:37:13
when i went to my dad's house he looked at it a drove my car to work one day. and if i honk the horn when start up everything the reg. speakers come on.
swez on 12/29/2004 01:40:11
That is very unusual. Do you have an alarm system on this vehicle?
Swez
zyxw05 on 12/29/2004 17:53:38
yes i do have an alarm system
swez on 12/29/2004 18:52:14
I gotta believe... that is part of the solution. Install techs? What's your read on this one?
Swez
zyxw05 on 12/30/2004 01:27:45
techs?
swez on 12/30/2004 05:39:17
Yep, Techies... the guys who install systems and alarms all the time. We have several here. Ttocs, UK & Kittle to name our main go to guys.
Swez
zyxw05 on 12/30/2004 12:26:11
so you are suggesting just take it in and see if they can fix it....
damn.. i like doing my own work..
Victor on 12/30/2004 14:15:20
No... it aint what you are thinking... Ttocs , UK and cpKittle are all respected golds on this forum
They are highly experienced in custom installations and have an indepth knowledge of how to deal with problems such as yours..
Installation and trouble shooting are their strenghts.. they have dealt with a number of different vehicles and brands and know their job perfectly..
What swez suggested was that they shud jump in on this post and find out a way to solve this problem.. they can guide you thru the entire process.. all the work shall be done by you but with their expert help only..
Victor...
zyxw05 on 12/30/2004 19:56:56
how do i go about getting their help?
Victor on 12/30/2004 20:06:35
well all you can do is wait for someone to drop in.. or put up another attractive post which pulls them here.. hehe
may be swez has personal contacts with any of them.. he can help u out..
Victor..
swez on 12/30/2004 21:13:22
Just make a new post and ask the guys noted to come and look at this post and make some comments as to where to look next. Am almost certain that this issues is alarm related in some way. The tipoff was your comments that HU signals is delayed and when you used the horn, everything was normal again. Maybe a relay/wiring issue here with the alarm circuits.
Swez
PS I'll make that post on your behalf...
UKinstaller on 12/30/2004 23:00:25
sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. i have worked open to close everyday since christmas. two days were 8 am to almost midnight.
this is a VERY unusual problem. i really can't think of anything off the top of my head. the only suggestion i can give you until tomorrow (i'll ask the guys at work) is to unplug the radio for about ten seconds, hook it back up, and see what happens. the horn thing is what really gets me, though.
well, another suggestion would be to plug the factory radio back in and see if it does the same thing. even better, borrow a cd player from a buddy or something and see if it does the same thing. just switch the harnesses, shouldn't take but 10 - 15 minutes to wire everything up. if it doesn't do it, it's the dual radio. if it does, it's something else. don't worry though we'll figure it out.
what type of alarm system do you have??
-UK
zyxw05 on 12/31/2004 00:16:49
i really appriciate the help.. the car is kinda a hand my down from my sister. i'm not sure exactly what kind of alarm it is.. but the clicker says code alarm.. i'm not sure if that is generic or what
UKinstaller on 12/31/2004 02:20:53
ahhh yes. code alarm. that's circuit city's brand. i work there, and i can tell you from lots of personal experience that their alarms for the most part are garbage. if you ever want to rip it out and get a new one, get a DEI product such as viper, valet, or clifford to name a few. excellent alarms.
how about those suggestions i gave you?? are any going to be possible??
your speakers or factory radio don't say "infinity" on it anywhere do they?? if it has a factory amplifier, that could be something else to look into. after a few years, infinity factory sound systems turn into complete crap. ask any 1995-2000 jeep grand cherokee owner......
excellent choice of car, by the way.
-UK
zyxw05 on 12/31/2004 12:06:39
well i don't have the stock radio cuz as i said my sister was the previos owner. and i don't have any friends with a spare deck lying around. but nothing in the car is infinity. i have a dual xd6200 HU, rockford fosgate 6.5"s in the front doors. pineer 6x9"s in the rear with a fosgate 600 watt amp push 2 dual 10" subs
UKinstaller on 12/31/2004 19:35:12
well contact Best Buy or Dual and ask if the cd player has a delay feature. if it doesn't, all is not lost. if nothing else can be figured out, you could always run all new wires for the cd player. this includes two power sources (constant and switched), a new ground, and new speaker wire to each speaker. this would GUARANTEE no delay, of course this is assuming that the head unit has no delay feature. but like i said that's a last resort.
-UK
ttocs on 01/1/2005 22:33:16
I don't think it has to do with the alarm. I put a code alarm in my folks mustang when it was new in 94, works perfect to today without having to touch it.
I would guess it is something to do with the factory premium sound system. Sure the factory amp is not in there?
cplkittle on 01/2/2005 22:11:50
Where are you getting the remote turn on source for the sub amplifier? If it is from the deck, I would assume your problem is there. If you have a seperate wire from a key switched source as your remote turn on lead, that could explain some of the delay.
I would remove the radio and check the power wires behind the radio first. Make sure you have a constant and a switched positive wire. If your radio is running on switched only, that will also explain some delay. one more question.. How are your amps hooked up? where are you getting the positive, and the remote feed?
Replies (31)
swez on 12/25/2004 19:11:12
Seems like there may be a secondary amp for the interior speakers in the audio chain? The HU seems to give the sub am a signal, so there is a HU signal present to make that happen.
Some aftermarket amps (ALPINE) have a delay feature on them. If you have one of these, check out the delay settings and adjust as needed.
If this is a Factory system, (amped Infinity system) there may be a few wiring issues to track down. Say more about the complete system OK?
Swez
zyxw05 on 12/25/2004 20:10:18
the speakers hook directly into the deck.. i'm about 99% sure cuz i wired the car myself. any other suggestions
P0werLifter on 12/25/2004 23:52:51
What type of HU are u running, how long ago did u wire the car, you say there is no second amplifier powering the interior speakers but you have another amplifier for the subs?
zyxw05 on 12/26/2004 18:32:20
HU?? sorry i'm kinda new to audio terms. but the speakers hook strait into the deck. and the 2 subs connect through the amp i have.
Victor on 12/26/2004 20:12:23
what deck do you have??... HU means head unit (deck)..
please provide the manufacturer.. model number and year of make.
Victor..
zyxw05 on 12/27/2004 00:05:25
i'm not sure on the year of the HU but it is a dual XD6200
Victor on 12/27/2004 03:39:52
http://www.dualav.com/product_individual.php?main=2&id=391#
is this the one you have...???
Victor...
swez on 12/27/2004 11:26:13
Am not familiar with this model HU or the problem you are seeing. I suspect the problem is either menu driven features or have something to do with wiring the power leads to your vehicle.
May wist to contact Dual and ask them for specific details. The install manual does not cover this aspect in a troubleshooting tree.
1 866.626.7863 Toll free # too.
Swez
zyxw05 on 12/27/2004 15:52:01
victor that is the model i have. in the next few days i am going to go through and recheck all of the wiring.. and possibly put new wire in to see if this fixes the problem
uochronos on 12/27/2004 16:28:38
i belive swez is right here i dont see a way this is caused by the speaker wire if your ran wire stright from deck to speakers. i would think this is a deck problem i have seen decks with delayed on settings infact my first one had a 5 second delay a cheap sony deck.
i would assume this is a similar thing maybe it can be turned off or perhaps its a defect in some internal circuit in the deck.
before rewiring everything i suggest calling the company as swez suggested if its just a option you have to change or a built in feature it well save you alot of wiring work to find that out first.
Chronos
zyxw05 on 12/27/2004 23:07:19
when talking with some friends of mine about this. they had said that it might be a bad ground to the deck
Victor on 12/28/2004 05:23:14
dunno how grounding problems can lead to this kind of delay .....
Victor..
CSR on 12/28/2004 12:46:51
If it was the ground causing the problem, then the whole system would have a delay turning on. Since the remote to the sub amp is working right, then the internal amp has a problem. If you have a seperate ground for the interal amp I could see that. But more likeky it's a setting or a short inside the HU. You should call the company and see what they say or get into the HU menu and see if there is a setting for delayed on and turn it off.
zyxw05 on 12/28/2004 21:37:13
when i went to my dad's house he looked at it a drove my car to work one day. and if i honk the horn when start up everything the reg. speakers come on.
swez on 12/29/2004 01:40:11
That is very unusual. Do you have an alarm system on this vehicle?
Swez
zyxw05 on 12/29/2004 17:53:38
yes i do have an alarm system
swez on 12/29/2004 18:52:14
I gotta believe... that is part of the solution. Install techs? What's your read on this one?
Swez
zyxw05 on 12/30/2004 01:27:45
techs?
swez on 12/30/2004 05:39:17
Yep, Techies... the guys who install systems and alarms all the time. We have several here. Ttocs, UK & Kittle to name our main go to guys.
Swez
zyxw05 on 12/30/2004 12:26:11
so you are suggesting just take it in and see if they can fix it....
damn.. i like doing my own work..
Victor on 12/30/2004 14:15:20
No... it aint what you are thinking... Ttocs , UK and cpKittle are all respected golds on this forum
They are highly experienced in custom installations and have an indepth knowledge of how to deal with problems such as yours..
Installation and trouble shooting are their strenghts.. they have dealt with a number of different vehicles and brands and know their job perfectly..
What swez suggested was that they shud jump in on this post and find out a way to solve this problem.. they can guide you thru the entire process.. all the work shall be done by you but with their expert help only..
Victor...
zyxw05 on 12/30/2004 19:56:56
how do i go about getting their help?
Victor on 12/30/2004 20:06:35
well all you can do is wait for someone to drop in.. or put up another attractive post which pulls them here.. hehe
may be swez has personal contacts with any of them.. he can help u out..
Victor..
swez on 12/30/2004 21:13:22
Just make a new post and ask the guys noted to come and look at this post and make some comments as to where to look next. Am almost certain that this issues is alarm related in some way. The tipoff was your comments that HU signals is delayed and when you used the horn, everything was normal again. Maybe a relay/wiring issue here with the alarm circuits.
Swez
PS I'll make that post on your behalf...
UKinstaller on 12/30/2004 23:00:25
sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. i have worked open to close everyday since christmas. two days were 8 am to almost midnight.
this is a VERY unusual problem. i really can't think of anything off the top of my head. the only suggestion i can give you until tomorrow (i'll ask the guys at work) is to unplug the radio for about ten seconds, hook it back up, and see what happens. the horn thing is what really gets me, though.
well, another suggestion would be to plug the factory radio back in and see if it does the same thing. even better, borrow a cd player from a buddy or something and see if it does the same thing. just switch the harnesses, shouldn't take but 10 - 15 minutes to wire everything up. if it doesn't do it, it's the dual radio. if it does, it's something else. don't worry though we'll figure it out.
what type of alarm system do you have??
-UK
zyxw05 on 12/31/2004 00:16:49
i really appriciate the help.. the car is kinda a hand my down from my sister. i'm not sure exactly what kind of alarm it is.. but the clicker says code alarm.. i'm not sure if that is generic or what
UKinstaller on 12/31/2004 02:20:53
ahhh yes. code alarm. that's circuit city's brand. i work there, and i can tell you from lots of personal experience that their alarms for the most part are garbage. if you ever want to rip it out and get a new one, get a DEI product such as viper, valet, or clifford to name a few. excellent alarms.
how about those suggestions i gave you?? are any going to be possible??
your speakers or factory radio don't say "infinity" on it anywhere do they?? if it has a factory amplifier, that could be something else to look into. after a few years, infinity factory sound systems turn into complete crap. ask any 1995-2000 jeep grand cherokee owner......
excellent choice of car, by the way.
-UK
zyxw05 on 12/31/2004 12:06:39
well i don't have the stock radio cuz as i said my sister was the previos owner. and i don't have any friends with a spare deck lying around. but nothing in the car is infinity. i have a dual xd6200 HU, rockford fosgate 6.5"s in the front doors. pineer 6x9"s in the rear with a fosgate 600 watt amp push 2 dual 10" subs
UKinstaller on 12/31/2004 19:35:12
well contact Best Buy or Dual and ask if the cd player has a delay feature. if it doesn't, all is not lost. if nothing else can be figured out, you could always run all new wires for the cd player. this includes two power sources (constant and switched), a new ground, and new speaker wire to each speaker. this would GUARANTEE no delay, of course this is assuming that the head unit has no delay feature. but like i said that's a last resort.
-UK
ttocs on 01/1/2005 22:33:16
I don't think it has to do with the alarm. I put a code alarm in my folks mustang when it was new in 94, works perfect to today without having to touch it.
I would guess it is something to do with the factory premium sound system. Sure the factory amp is not in there?
cplkittle on 01/2/2005 22:11:50
Where are you getting the remote turn on source for the sub amplifier? If it is from the deck, I would assume your problem is there. If you have a seperate wire from a key switched source as your remote turn on lead, that could explain some of the delay.
I would remove the radio and check the power wires behind the radio first. Make sure you have a constant and a switched positive wire. If your radio is running on switched only, that will also explain some delay. one more question.. How are your amps hooked up? where are you getting the positive, and the remote feed?
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