Hi there... I havent been in good touch with the forum now a days cause the broadband connection at my place has been messing out due to some or the other reason..
Anyways something on the forum has prompted me to put up this post..
I want to have your views on what it takes and what components should go into an ideal SQ system..
Wud love to have inputs from all of you here,,, this is gonna be a very lengthy post..
I wud like to discuss all aspects of an ideal SQ system .. starting from the acoustics of a car to the equipment that goes into making an ideal SQ system.. i know that theres gonna be a lot of debate cause no one has ever reached the pinaccle of building an ideal one.. yet we all thrive for it..
I hope that this post becomes a good refrence for all those who are working hard to build an SQ system.. lol.. i know the first thing that goes into building and ideal SQ system is $$$$$$$$$$ MONEY $$$$$$$$$.... hehehehehe
comments...??
Victor...
Replies (11)
Victor on 11/29/2004 15:05:39
Ps... this post shud also serve as a refrence to people who are looking for SQL systems as the fundamentals of the SQ theory are going to be the building blocks for them too..
comments...??
Victor...
cplkittle on 11/30/2004 09:37:10
to do it right is very discouraging, and a lengthy process. You will dump alot of money into things such as dynamat, quality speaker wire, RCA cables, power wire, enclosures, etc. All of this before the first speaker is added. and you look back at $400+ and don't see it, and can't hear it, and you wonder if it is worth it.
If you can hang with it, it does pay off.
That's my 2 cents on the basics of any system.
Victor on 11/30/2004 09:43:23
i agree .. but lets say here money is no bar.. cause i put up this post so that i can have your views and knowledge regarding SQ systems..
Thanks in advance..
comments...??
Victor...
Faded on 11/30/2004 13:12:26
Kenwood subs are known for really good SQ
P0werLifter on 11/30/2004 13:50:35
SQ is subjective to the listener. What sounds good to one person, may not suit the tastes of another, but high quality components, wiring, amplifiers, drivers etc are all needed for a system of high fidelity.
Victor on 11/30/2004 13:57:19
Fine.. lets start with the HU.. what wud u guys look in a HU if u are planning to make a SQ system.. ???????
Victor...
uochronos on 11/30/2004 16:24:06
i agree with PL SQ is subjective one person may be happy with a good HU and 4 speakers running off the HU another person my not be happy till they have nice componets all ampes with a good sq sub amped and a EQ. building a SQ system cant be designs genericaly it has to be designed for that person...
if your interested in compitition SQ systems then there are whole web sites dedicated to the rules and what theya re judged on. but if your talking about the way to make a great SQ system for a person then its going to matter on the person,... i have a friend who swears his 4way kenwood 6x9's sound better then my CDT comps. its just he personal preference.
Chronos
PS
HU is not that important in a SQ system if your going with outboard amps crossovers and eq's. just my opinion.
Pinch on 12/1/2004 11:30:10
Ahh, the debate begins. :) Uochronus, I have always thought that the HU is quite important since it plays a critical role in the system. While speakers are arguably the MOST important component in the system since they are responsible for turning AC current into HiFi sound, the HU has to get the sound from the pickup laser to the RCA outputs. I feel high voltage preouts and good S/N pickups are critical to give the Amps/Crossovers down the line a fighting chance at being the best.
Pinch
swez on 12/1/2004 11:34:47
Agreed! Quality components like speakers,amps,crossovers and a solid EQ are all part of the mix. Sound dampening as much as possible is a definite consideration too.
Also, placement of speakers are very important in high SQ applications. Kick panels often give the best results as they can be aimed and have an enclosure for better MB performance.
A solid HU is also a key element to the install. For best results, having time alignment features and either outboard EQ or onboard EQ features is a must.
A calibrated mike connected to a Audio Spectrum Analyzer is the tool to use to fine tune the system once installed. The ideal is a flat 20-20K Hz., response at the listeners position. This is where a pink noise generator or test CD helps a lot. If you can get a nerly flat response curve on a plot after dialing it all in... this is a great accomplishment in car audio.
Swez
snipe523 on 12/2/2004 00:39:54
I think one of the most overlooked things is the cars interior. I don't just mean dynamatting panels and such. I mean what the actual surfaces in the car are made of. For the most part you want to avoid leather seats and alot of hard plastics and such as they can cause problems. Thats why you will see so many people who compete covering there dashes and such with mats to cut down on reflections.
speakerman3 on 12/2/2004 15:57:06
After acquiring a good high voltage head unit (Alpine is known for having good SQ from their heads) with RCA's for all channels, running quality wire, and sound dampening like crazy, I would concentrate on speaker location for the front image. If you have a lower-front door location for a 6.5" or low-profile 8", that could match nicely with a 4" or 5" mid plus dome (or ribbon if you prefer) tweeter in the kick panel, that would probably excel.
I really enjoy my CDT Braxials for the front soundstage. They place images on the dash instead of at my feet. I have also heard some good components from Massive. Again, when it comes to a lot of this, we get into very subjective territory. What sounds good to you?
Anyways something on the forum has prompted me to put up this post..
I want to have your views on what it takes and what components should go into an ideal SQ system..
Wud love to have inputs from all of you here,,, this is gonna be a very lengthy post..
I wud like to discuss all aspects of an ideal SQ system .. starting from the acoustics of a car to the equipment that goes into making an ideal SQ system.. i know that theres gonna be a lot of debate cause no one has ever reached the pinaccle of building an ideal one.. yet we all thrive for it..
I hope that this post becomes a good refrence for all those who are working hard to build an SQ system.. lol.. i know the first thing that goes into building and ideal SQ system is $$$$$$$$$$ MONEY $$$$$$$$$.... hehehehehe
comments...??
Victor...
Replies (11)
Victor on 11/29/2004 15:05:39
Ps... this post shud also serve as a refrence to people who are looking for SQL systems as the fundamentals of the SQ theory are going to be the building blocks for them too..
comments...??
Victor...
cplkittle on 11/30/2004 09:37:10
to do it right is very discouraging, and a lengthy process. You will dump alot of money into things such as dynamat, quality speaker wire, RCA cables, power wire, enclosures, etc. All of this before the first speaker is added. and you look back at $400+ and don't see it, and can't hear it, and you wonder if it is worth it.
If you can hang with it, it does pay off.
That's my 2 cents on the basics of any system.
Victor on 11/30/2004 09:43:23
i agree .. but lets say here money is no bar.. cause i put up this post so that i can have your views and knowledge regarding SQ systems..
Thanks in advance..
comments...??
Victor...
Faded on 11/30/2004 13:12:26
Kenwood subs are known for really good SQ
P0werLifter on 11/30/2004 13:50:35
SQ is subjective to the listener. What sounds good to one person, may not suit the tastes of another, but high quality components, wiring, amplifiers, drivers etc are all needed for a system of high fidelity.
Victor on 11/30/2004 13:57:19
Fine.. lets start with the HU.. what wud u guys look in a HU if u are planning to make a SQ system.. ???????
Victor...
uochronos on 11/30/2004 16:24:06
i agree with PL SQ is subjective one person may be happy with a good HU and 4 speakers running off the HU another person my not be happy till they have nice componets all ampes with a good sq sub amped and a EQ. building a SQ system cant be designs genericaly it has to be designed for that person...
if your interested in compitition SQ systems then there are whole web sites dedicated to the rules and what theya re judged on. but if your talking about the way to make a great SQ system for a person then its going to matter on the person,... i have a friend who swears his 4way kenwood 6x9's sound better then my CDT comps. its just he personal preference.
Chronos
PS
HU is not that important in a SQ system if your going with outboard amps crossovers and eq's. just my opinion.
Pinch on 12/1/2004 11:30:10
Ahh, the debate begins. :) Uochronus, I have always thought that the HU is quite important since it plays a critical role in the system. While speakers are arguably the MOST important component in the system since they are responsible for turning AC current into HiFi sound, the HU has to get the sound from the pickup laser to the RCA outputs. I feel high voltage preouts and good S/N pickups are critical to give the Amps/Crossovers down the line a fighting chance at being the best.
Pinch
swez on 12/1/2004 11:34:47
Agreed! Quality components like speakers,amps,crossovers and a solid EQ are all part of the mix. Sound dampening as much as possible is a definite consideration too.
Also, placement of speakers are very important in high SQ applications. Kick panels often give the best results as they can be aimed and have an enclosure for better MB performance.
A solid HU is also a key element to the install. For best results, having time alignment features and either outboard EQ or onboard EQ features is a must.
A calibrated mike connected to a Audio Spectrum Analyzer is the tool to use to fine tune the system once installed. The ideal is a flat 20-20K Hz., response at the listeners position. This is where a pink noise generator or test CD helps a lot. If you can get a nerly flat response curve on a plot after dialing it all in... this is a great accomplishment in car audio.
Swez
snipe523 on 12/2/2004 00:39:54
I think one of the most overlooked things is the cars interior. I don't just mean dynamatting panels and such. I mean what the actual surfaces in the car are made of. For the most part you want to avoid leather seats and alot of hard plastics and such as they can cause problems. Thats why you will see so many people who compete covering there dashes and such with mats to cut down on reflections.
speakerman3 on 12/2/2004 15:57:06
After acquiring a good high voltage head unit (Alpine is known for having good SQ from their heads) with RCA's for all channels, running quality wire, and sound dampening like crazy, I would concentrate on speaker location for the front image. If you have a lower-front door location for a 6.5" or low-profile 8", that could match nicely with a 4" or 5" mid plus dome (or ribbon if you prefer) tweeter in the kick panel, that would probably excel.
I really enjoy my CDT Braxials for the front soundstage. They place images on the dash instead of at my feet. I have also heard some good components from Massive. Again, when it comes to a lot of this, we get into very subjective territory. What sounds good to you?
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