I have a jeep grand cherokee 97 and i wanna put my amp and subs- kenwood 600w with 2 pioneer subs in a Q-logic box.... however my stock deck doesnt have the amp pre-outs i can by the harness so that it will but will it not sound good with the stock deck cuz i cant adjust my settings as i could with my alpind i need sugestions GRIN
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UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 00:23:12
buy an aftermarket cd player. much better quality than factory radio. however, i have used line-out converters on jeeps before and they sound just fine.
anyway, buy an aftermarket cd player and you will be good to go. you can get one at a local store for as little as 80-100 bucks for a good one, plus parts. those jeeps are incredibly easy to install radios in so you can save yourself 50 bucks and install it yourself. so you figure it will cost you as little as 150 bucks all together for a good radio. a line out convertor will cost you 20, so for an extra 130 you can get a LOT more.
-UK
-UK
Faded on 11/12/2004 00:32:12
you can do what im about to have to do cuz my pre amp outputs on my deck are messed up im buying a high end input for my amp and you run wires from your cd player back to your amp to the high end input if your amp has a small square slot that says high end go buy a 5$ output and run the wires from your cd player(speaker wire to the high end then hook your subs up the same way you would if you had rca's
Faded on 11/12/2004 00:33:52
im going to see tomorrow if its as loud as it would be with rca's thank victor for telling me all this or i would have boughten a new cd player
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 00:37:51
high end outputs do tend to sound like crap. RCA's are so much better and cleaner. Besides, why spend any unncessesary money on the factory radio when you can put it towards a good aftermarket one? if you do not feel like you are going to be happy with the factory sound system using the line out convertor, you DEFINITELY will not be happy using high level inputs/outputs.
-UK
Victor on 11/12/2004 03:39:53
i agree RCA's aare cleaner.. but lol.. not as bad as u say UKinstaller.. just the other day swez and me were chatting in the room and we were discussing if one cud use both the rca as well as high lvl out to run amps at the same time.. and things like that.. it was a detailed discusion,.. but the thing that u said never came up.. cause both of us knowing that it does not make a big difference never thought it worth discussing..
anyways faded.. if u wanna clear this up in ur mind.. lets wait for some more inputs from the other golds i am sure they cud lead us on the right track... maybe if i am wrong ( i am sure i am not...yet)they cud let teach me something new along with u..
PS... i have installed many amps using the high lvl in/out... never faced a problem as UKinstaller said..
comments...??
Victor...
Victor on 11/12/2004 05:52:57
hey faded.. before connecting anything.. go thru the guide that came along with ur HU or amp.. cause that will give u the exact details of the wire connection to the jack..
Victor...
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 08:42:12
and what problem did i say he was going to run into Victor?? i never said that he would run into a problem. i just said high level inputs sound like crap compared to RCA's.
rplaxx26 original question was what can he do besides using a LOC because he thinks it will sound like crap and he won't have good control over the sound. the ONLY thing he can do is buy an aftermarket HU. using hi in/out will not make anything sound better and definitely will not help with controls.
finally, it is very clear to me that victor you think that you have to be "a gold" in order to give good advice. you said so earlier in your post when you said "let's wait for some more inputs from the other golds". you said something the other day that was similar, but i let it go, but now you're just being cocky. i have been on this forum for several months now, and i wouldn't give advice if i didn't think it were right. so quit calling me out.
-UK
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 08:45:16
just to let you guys know, i didn't say a cussword in my previous post. it bleeped out the word that rhymes with "sockie", starts with a C, and is used to describe someone that thinks they know everything. i guess it didn't like the first four letters of it.
just letting you know because i don't want anyone thinking i would cuss on here.
-UK
Victor on 11/12/2004 09:54:34
man... whats wrong with me.. lol. since 2 days everything i write is being taken in the wrong manner..
i never meant to hurt anyone.. sorry if i did that UK.. i never said u said a cuss word.. there was a post by someone else.. and that was deleted later on by some gold.. i dunno who.. cause that post had real abusive language.. and since it was deleted u thought that was my reply to u.. while actually that was my reply to someone else..
lol.. so many mis understandings..
and i know u have been installing and u got quite good experience and knowledge.. even i am new around here.. its just been 2 months on the forum now.. thats y i said that i wanted all other golds..who are ofcourse more experienced and knowledgable than me to give some input.. and my reply in this post was also for faded.. cause he had replied in context of our chat earlier..
lol....never wanted to raise un-necessary controversy.. i guess i was wrong some where that has pissed of so many members on the forum..
i apologise if i have cause some harm unknowingly.. i never meant it..
and i have always been saying that i am here to help and be helped.. i am here to learn more.. to gather as much knowledge as possible.. believe me i have got a lot to learn even from a beginner, there's no question about insulting ur abilities.. we are here to grow together as a community..
comments...??
Victor...
ttocs on 11/12/2004 09:57:44
I have had noise issues on stock decks myself(old fords to newer Honda's). Now JL amps get around that by using a different type of LOC. I forget the exact way, the owner of the shop I sideline at told me about it as he used to work for JL. I have hooked many stock decks up to them and never had a noise issue.
I think a more important issue here would be if the Jeep has a standard stock radio, or the upgraded infinity?
are we playing nice in the sandbox?
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 11:54:31
for the cussing thing, i was talking about my post here on this topic, one of the words i said was blanked out but it wasn't a cussword. it's the 7th reply here on this post, bottom of the reply.
anyway, i'm not pissed. i just believe that my advice for the guy on this post was good, while yours was not, which i have NO problem with, but then you said that mine was bad and yours was good. oh well i really don't care. water under the bridge.
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC....
ttocs raises a good issue as to whether this is regular sound or infinity. i wouldn't even add a LOC to an infinity system if it were me because it is amplified and that can cause some issues, but i think you can get a special part for them.
-UK
swez on 11/12/2004 11:55:58
Looks like kitter litter is flying all over the place at the moment... Hummmm, guys... let's see if we can work out the personality issues off line like in PM's or in the chat room.
This kind of in-fighting is counter-productive and really should be resolved off the main board... one-on-one OK? If we need a referee, consider using Walt as a sounding board at last resort.
IMHO, Victor is new to the board, has a lot to say and most of the time, he is pretty much right on target. (but he's also human and of a different culture... give the guy some time and try to make our opinions constuctive)
However, that does not negate the fact that others here are equally talented and have good insight on how to solve a given problem also. Yes, the Golds have some notoriety... but we are not the end all, be all on every subject.
UK, you have been on the board for a while now and have really done a fine job helping others too. I think you have "earned your stripes" as a solid team player and bringing you to Gold Status is due you. I will submit a request for that on your behalf to Walt ASAP. You have earned it.... but perhaps we have not been very observant about upgrading you as well.
Just one request I have on this matter... "keep it off the main board" ! Yes, we will have personality conflicts and legitimate disputes here. That's part of personal growth and learning to manage conflicts. But let's try to keep in in perspective and off the main board OK? Use the PM system if there is a need to voice a slight, jab or mis-understanding. Otherwise, we will be just like some other boards where flame wars and insults are so common, it's not worth going there.
In short, let's try to be above all that clamor. We have worked so hard to keep this board clean, friendly and helpful. Let's not degrade that history of excellence.
Comments please?
Swez
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 13:25:32
i am really sorry about that, i will make sure to discuss future stuff in private. no hard feelings vic??
i appreciate the request for the gold. i sure wouldn't mind it...
my e-mail address is NHenson1@hotmail.com if you need to contact me about anything.
-UK
Victor on 11/12/2004 18:32:43
good.. i think its all solved now.. no hard feelings UK,, never had one for anyone on this forum..
To be very frank.. till yesterday when i read ur post i was always under the impression that u were a gold.. cause most of the time i have seen u have been giving the right advice..
i think what happened here was just a difference in views.. i do agree that high lvl outs do not perform as good as the RCA's but when for guys like faded they have no option other than using it.. orelse they wud have to spend 100$ + to get a new HU,, which i think he wud not like to spend in such a tight situation.. hence considering the situation i advised him so..i think both of us were right in our ways..
anyways.. forget all the mess and lets get back to the job of helping and being helped..
CONGRATULATIONS for your well deserved gold... keep up the good work..
Victor...
Faded on 11/12/2004 21:41:16
i went to the audio store today to get the high end output and they gave me something else its a line in convertor or something its a box that has a set of rca inputs on it and then 2 sets of speaker wire and two ground wires you just hook the rca's coming from your amp to this box insted of your HU and wire the speaker wire's up to a set on your Hu AND I used the same ground as my cd player's ground and it works fine now its actually sounds better now than it did before it started messing up lol
anyway thanks victor for your advice you gave me sorry if i caused a fight between anybody i was just trying to give some advice
--Faded--
Victor on 11/13/2004 04:08:28
kool.. i am happy that my advice cud be of some use to u.. yeah thats a line in convertor which converts the high lvl out from the HU into low lvl RCA 's .. its functions equally good too..provided its not a cheap convertor...
u dont need to be sorry.. such kinda mis-understandins happen when pep from different place and different views get together..
dont worry.. got all the issues solved..
ENJOY..!!!!
Victor...
Replies (16)
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 00:23:12
buy an aftermarket cd player. much better quality than factory radio. however, i have used line-out converters on jeeps before and they sound just fine.
anyway, buy an aftermarket cd player and you will be good to go. you can get one at a local store for as little as 80-100 bucks for a good one, plus parts. those jeeps are incredibly easy to install radios in so you can save yourself 50 bucks and install it yourself. so you figure it will cost you as little as 150 bucks all together for a good radio. a line out convertor will cost you 20, so for an extra 130 you can get a LOT more.
-UK
-UK
Faded on 11/12/2004 00:32:12
you can do what im about to have to do cuz my pre amp outputs on my deck are messed up im buying a high end input for my amp and you run wires from your cd player back to your amp to the high end input if your amp has a small square slot that says high end go buy a 5$ output and run the wires from your cd player(speaker wire to the high end then hook your subs up the same way you would if you had rca's
Faded on 11/12/2004 00:33:52
im going to see tomorrow if its as loud as it would be with rca's thank victor for telling me all this or i would have boughten a new cd player
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 00:37:51
high end outputs do tend to sound like crap. RCA's are so much better and cleaner. Besides, why spend any unncessesary money on the factory radio when you can put it towards a good aftermarket one? if you do not feel like you are going to be happy with the factory sound system using the line out convertor, you DEFINITELY will not be happy using high level inputs/outputs.
-UK
Victor on 11/12/2004 03:39:53
i agree RCA's aare cleaner.. but lol.. not as bad as u say UKinstaller.. just the other day swez and me were chatting in the room and we were discussing if one cud use both the rca as well as high lvl out to run amps at the same time.. and things like that.. it was a detailed discusion,.. but the thing that u said never came up.. cause both of us knowing that it does not make a big difference never thought it worth discussing..
anyways faded.. if u wanna clear this up in ur mind.. lets wait for some more inputs from the other golds i am sure they cud lead us on the right track... maybe if i am wrong ( i am sure i am not...yet)they cud let teach me something new along with u..
PS... i have installed many amps using the high lvl in/out... never faced a problem as UKinstaller said..
comments...??
Victor...
Victor on 11/12/2004 05:52:57
hey faded.. before connecting anything.. go thru the guide that came along with ur HU or amp.. cause that will give u the exact details of the wire connection to the jack..
Victor...
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 08:42:12
and what problem did i say he was going to run into Victor?? i never said that he would run into a problem. i just said high level inputs sound like crap compared to RCA's.
rplaxx26 original question was what can he do besides using a LOC because he thinks it will sound like crap and he won't have good control over the sound. the ONLY thing he can do is buy an aftermarket HU. using hi in/out will not make anything sound better and definitely will not help with controls.
finally, it is very clear to me that victor you think that you have to be "a gold" in order to give good advice. you said so earlier in your post when you said "let's wait for some more inputs from the other golds". you said something the other day that was similar, but i let it go, but now you're just being cocky. i have been on this forum for several months now, and i wouldn't give advice if i didn't think it were right. so quit calling me out.
-UK
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 08:45:16
just to let you guys know, i didn't say a cussword in my previous post. it bleeped out the word that rhymes with "sockie", starts with a C, and is used to describe someone that thinks they know everything. i guess it didn't like the first four letters of it.
just letting you know because i don't want anyone thinking i would cuss on here.
-UK
Victor on 11/12/2004 09:54:34
man... whats wrong with me.. lol. since 2 days everything i write is being taken in the wrong manner..
i never meant to hurt anyone.. sorry if i did that UK.. i never said u said a cuss word.. there was a post by someone else.. and that was deleted later on by some gold.. i dunno who.. cause that post had real abusive language.. and since it was deleted u thought that was my reply to u.. while actually that was my reply to someone else..
lol.. so many mis understandings..
and i know u have been installing and u got quite good experience and knowledge.. even i am new around here.. its just been 2 months on the forum now.. thats y i said that i wanted all other golds..who are ofcourse more experienced and knowledgable than me to give some input.. and my reply in this post was also for faded.. cause he had replied in context of our chat earlier..
lol....never wanted to raise un-necessary controversy.. i guess i was wrong some where that has pissed of so many members on the forum..
i apologise if i have cause some harm unknowingly.. i never meant it..
and i have always been saying that i am here to help and be helped.. i am here to learn more.. to gather as much knowledge as possible.. believe me i have got a lot to learn even from a beginner, there's no question about insulting ur abilities.. we are here to grow together as a community..
comments...??
Victor...
ttocs on 11/12/2004 09:57:44
I have had noise issues on stock decks myself(old fords to newer Honda's). Now JL amps get around that by using a different type of LOC. I forget the exact way, the owner of the shop I sideline at told me about it as he used to work for JL. I have hooked many stock decks up to them and never had a noise issue.
I think a more important issue here would be if the Jeep has a standard stock radio, or the upgraded infinity?
are we playing nice in the sandbox?
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 11:54:31
for the cussing thing, i was talking about my post here on this topic, one of the words i said was blanked out but it wasn't a cussword. it's the 7th reply here on this post, bottom of the reply.
anyway, i'm not pissed. i just believe that my advice for the guy on this post was good, while yours was not, which i have NO problem with, but then you said that mine was bad and yours was good. oh well i really don't care. water under the bridge.
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC....
ttocs raises a good issue as to whether this is regular sound or infinity. i wouldn't even add a LOC to an infinity system if it were me because it is amplified and that can cause some issues, but i think you can get a special part for them.
-UK
swez on 11/12/2004 11:55:58
Looks like kitter litter is flying all over the place at the moment... Hummmm, guys... let's see if we can work out the personality issues off line like in PM's or in the chat room.
This kind of in-fighting is counter-productive and really should be resolved off the main board... one-on-one OK? If we need a referee, consider using Walt as a sounding board at last resort.
IMHO, Victor is new to the board, has a lot to say and most of the time, he is pretty much right on target. (but he's also human and of a different culture... give the guy some time and try to make our opinions constuctive)
However, that does not negate the fact that others here are equally talented and have good insight on how to solve a given problem also. Yes, the Golds have some notoriety... but we are not the end all, be all on every subject.
UK, you have been on the board for a while now and have really done a fine job helping others too. I think you have "earned your stripes" as a solid team player and bringing you to Gold Status is due you. I will submit a request for that on your behalf to Walt ASAP. You have earned it.... but perhaps we have not been very observant about upgrading you as well.
Just one request I have on this matter... "keep it off the main board" ! Yes, we will have personality conflicts and legitimate disputes here. That's part of personal growth and learning to manage conflicts. But let's try to keep in in perspective and off the main board OK? Use the PM system if there is a need to voice a slight, jab or mis-understanding. Otherwise, we will be just like some other boards where flame wars and insults are so common, it's not worth going there.
In short, let's try to be above all that clamor. We have worked so hard to keep this board clean, friendly and helpful. Let's not degrade that history of excellence.
Comments please?
Swez
UKinstaller on 11/12/2004 13:25:32
i am really sorry about that, i will make sure to discuss future stuff in private. no hard feelings vic??
i appreciate the request for the gold. i sure wouldn't mind it...
my e-mail address is NHenson1@hotmail.com if you need to contact me about anything.
-UK
Victor on 11/12/2004 18:32:43
good.. i think its all solved now.. no hard feelings UK,, never had one for anyone on this forum..
To be very frank.. till yesterday when i read ur post i was always under the impression that u were a gold.. cause most of the time i have seen u have been giving the right advice..
i think what happened here was just a difference in views.. i do agree that high lvl outs do not perform as good as the RCA's but when for guys like faded they have no option other than using it.. orelse they wud have to spend 100$ + to get a new HU,, which i think he wud not like to spend in such a tight situation.. hence considering the situation i advised him so..i think both of us were right in our ways..
anyways.. forget all the mess and lets get back to the job of helping and being helped..
CONGRATULATIONS for your well deserved gold... keep up the good work..
Victor...
Faded on 11/12/2004 21:41:16
i went to the audio store today to get the high end output and they gave me something else its a line in convertor or something its a box that has a set of rca inputs on it and then 2 sets of speaker wire and two ground wires you just hook the rca's coming from your amp to this box insted of your HU and wire the speaker wire's up to a set on your Hu AND I used the same ground as my cd player's ground and it works fine now its actually sounds better now than it did before it started messing up lol
anyway thanks victor for your advice you gave me sorry if i caused a fight between anybody i was just trying to give some advice
--Faded--
Victor on 11/13/2004 04:08:28
kool.. i am happy that my advice cud be of some use to u.. yeah thats a line in convertor which converts the high lvl out from the HU into low lvl RCA 's .. its functions equally good too..provided its not a cheap convertor...
u dont need to be sorry.. such kinda mis-understandins happen when pep from different place and different views get together..
dont worry.. got all the issues solved..
ENJOY..!!!!
Victor...
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