Would a mid range speaker help the overall sound of my system?
I have a Dodge Dakota and the speakers are at my feet, but the rear speakers are right behind the driver's and pasenger's heads.
Right now there are no speakers in the rear, but I'm feeling like I need some more mid range.
Right now with underpowered subs,the subs are drowning out my mids.
Any advice on a brand or if I should power them with just the HU...?
Replies (9)
P0werLifter on 09/14/2004 16:47:05
Are your mids and highs amplified yet? IF you amplify them the sound will pierce throught the bass better and have an overall better sound.
You could also move the mids to kick panels rather than the doors for better stereo imaging too.
Since you have a front sound stage now, if you felt the need for more mids and highs you could work on the rear sound stage and put some components in the rear of the vehicle.
-Jason
alanjlamore on 09/14/2004 16:58:33
Yes, the CDTs are getting 75W rms, are rated for 90, but will soon be getting 125W rms each from my class T amp.
My subs (infinity perfect 10s) will be powered with the other 2 channels of my amp bridged, but the subs will be connected in series giving the amp an 8 ohm load (200W rms to each sub instead of 400W);
or I will have just one of the subs alone with the full 400W rms (rated for 350W rms) and will sell the other one.
I was thinking of just adding mids to the rear so the highs don't get pulled to the rear too much, but then I'm thinking that since the components in the front are amped pretty well, having some decent 2 ways run off the HU shouldn't pull too much of the highs back, right?
I also looked into the kick panels that are made for my truck (same ones for the Durango), but they aren't big enough for the 6.5" CDTs. I think they're made for speakers up to 5 1/4".
alanjlamore on 09/14/2004 20:25:26
WOW, what a differance!!
I don't have the one channel on my amp fixed yet, but man do my front components sound 100% better.
They went from a sony xplod amp that gives 75W rms, to the avionixx class T amp that gives 125.
Untill I get the amp's one channel fixed, I have one of my subs hooked up to the other channel with only 125W rms, but it still sounds good, actually it sound better than when I had one sub (which I think has a crack in it's section of the box) with 400W rms and the other with just 125.
I think there was some clipping before and that's why it sounds so much better now.
I can't wait to get the amp fixed and to make a new box for the sub (I think I'm gonna go with just one sub powered with 400W rms).
Thanks again,
Alan
swez on 09/15/2004 08:43:50
Am sure there was a good deal of clipping from the smaller amp. Not only that, but you picked up a few dB of "dynamic headroom" as well.
To test that theory, all you need do is open the doors and step back from the vehicle a few feet and listen. When the signal is clear and clean, you'll hear that. If clipping more than a few percent, the shrill highs and muddy lows are a dead give-a-way.
Your plan to use the Avionixx as a 3 channel amp and only one sub will net a very good SQL system when all the tuning and tweaking are finished. (assuming that's what you want)
Have you eliminated the "free air" sub idea from considerations? I recall you were reveiwing that applictation design a while back and wonder what conclusions you have drawn?
Swez
alanjlamore on 09/15/2004 16:04:54
Not me, I never liked the idea of free air subs. I was talking about saving space with only one sub, full powered instead of 2 subs half powered.
I'm pretty sure that I'm going to go with the one sub in a ported/slotted box.
I'm hoping that I can make the box so that it's as high as my rear seats. Since I have one long seat and one small seat, I'm thinking of just taking the small one out and replacing it with the sub box, and I'll try to match the carpetting (or use the carpet from the small seat). But that's gonna be another post when I get ready to build the box.
I'm thinking of pointing the sub twards me or diagonally twards the center of the truck, instead of facing up (like I have now).
About the way to test for clipping, I've heard that before (probably from this site), but I can't seem to find a place to crank my sterio without bothering my neighbors. Maybe in a high school parking lot long after school hours.
swez on 09/15/2004 16:58:12
Yep, that's what I do... go to a large parking area, away from everybody, do my testing and tweaking there. (after hours when place is closed or limited to a few cars)
A Church parking lot will work too... on off nights! He likes bass too...He created thunder and rumble right? Hummm, I wonder if God is a Basshead or SQL? lol Think I'll ask Him???
Swez
alanjlamore on 09/15/2004 17:01:14
LOL, Thanks, that made me feel better for trying that once in a church parking lot (after hours of course). I felt guilty and left before I got done tuning.
swez on 09/15/2004 17:32:15
Make the guilt go away... use a Praise and Worship CD for your testing purposes... Ever heard of a guy named Carman? His material is outstanding in SQ and very wide dynamic range. Some cuts are heavy in bass while others use horns, lots of vocals and some great guitar work.
One of the best cuts I like for tuning is: "God's got an Army". Very punchy, good lowend bass and some super guitar riffs as well.
Swez
PS Who said Christian music has to be boring? Carman is anything but boring!
P0werLifter on 09/16/2004 02:25:05
If I had an opinion if God was a Basshead or a SQL type of God..id say BASSHEAD!!!!!! lol who else will make the earth quake,,,,and the Thunders Crack rattle windows? GRIN
-Jason
I have a Dodge Dakota and the speakers are at my feet, but the rear speakers are right behind the driver's and pasenger's heads.
Right now there are no speakers in the rear, but I'm feeling like I need some more mid range.
Right now with underpowered subs,the subs are drowning out my mids.
Any advice on a brand or if I should power them with just the HU...?
Replies (9)
P0werLifter on 09/14/2004 16:47:05
Are your mids and highs amplified yet? IF you amplify them the sound will pierce throught the bass better and have an overall better sound.
You could also move the mids to kick panels rather than the doors for better stereo imaging too.
Since you have a front sound stage now, if you felt the need for more mids and highs you could work on the rear sound stage and put some components in the rear of the vehicle.
-Jason
alanjlamore on 09/14/2004 16:58:33
Yes, the CDTs are getting 75W rms, are rated for 90, but will soon be getting 125W rms each from my class T amp.
My subs (infinity perfect 10s) will be powered with the other 2 channels of my amp bridged, but the subs will be connected in series giving the amp an 8 ohm load (200W rms to each sub instead of 400W);
or I will have just one of the subs alone with the full 400W rms (rated for 350W rms) and will sell the other one.
I was thinking of just adding mids to the rear so the highs don't get pulled to the rear too much, but then I'm thinking that since the components in the front are amped pretty well, having some decent 2 ways run off the HU shouldn't pull too much of the highs back, right?
I also looked into the kick panels that are made for my truck (same ones for the Durango), but they aren't big enough for the 6.5" CDTs. I think they're made for speakers up to 5 1/4".
alanjlamore on 09/14/2004 20:25:26
WOW, what a differance!!
I don't have the one channel on my amp fixed yet, but man do my front components sound 100% better.
They went from a sony xplod amp that gives 75W rms, to the avionixx class T amp that gives 125.
Untill I get the amp's one channel fixed, I have one of my subs hooked up to the other channel with only 125W rms, but it still sounds good, actually it sound better than when I had one sub (which I think has a crack in it's section of the box) with 400W rms and the other with just 125.
I think there was some clipping before and that's why it sounds so much better now.
I can't wait to get the amp fixed and to make a new box for the sub (I think I'm gonna go with just one sub powered with 400W rms).
Thanks again,
Alan
swez on 09/15/2004 08:43:50
Am sure there was a good deal of clipping from the smaller amp. Not only that, but you picked up a few dB of "dynamic headroom" as well.
To test that theory, all you need do is open the doors and step back from the vehicle a few feet and listen. When the signal is clear and clean, you'll hear that. If clipping more than a few percent, the shrill highs and muddy lows are a dead give-a-way.
Your plan to use the Avionixx as a 3 channel amp and only one sub will net a very good SQL system when all the tuning and tweaking are finished. (assuming that's what you want)
Have you eliminated the "free air" sub idea from considerations? I recall you were reveiwing that applictation design a while back and wonder what conclusions you have drawn?
Swez
alanjlamore on 09/15/2004 16:04:54
Not me, I never liked the idea of free air subs. I was talking about saving space with only one sub, full powered instead of 2 subs half powered.
I'm pretty sure that I'm going to go with the one sub in a ported/slotted box.
I'm hoping that I can make the box so that it's as high as my rear seats. Since I have one long seat and one small seat, I'm thinking of just taking the small one out and replacing it with the sub box, and I'll try to match the carpetting (or use the carpet from the small seat). But that's gonna be another post when I get ready to build the box.
I'm thinking of pointing the sub twards me or diagonally twards the center of the truck, instead of facing up (like I have now).
About the way to test for clipping, I've heard that before (probably from this site), but I can't seem to find a place to crank my sterio without bothering my neighbors. Maybe in a high school parking lot long after school hours.
swez on 09/15/2004 16:58:12
Yep, that's what I do... go to a large parking area, away from everybody, do my testing and tweaking there. (after hours when place is closed or limited to a few cars)
A Church parking lot will work too... on off nights! He likes bass too...He created thunder and rumble right? Hummm, I wonder if God is a Basshead or SQL? lol Think I'll ask Him???
Swez
alanjlamore on 09/15/2004 17:01:14
LOL, Thanks, that made me feel better for trying that once in a church parking lot (after hours of course). I felt guilty and left before I got done tuning.
swez on 09/15/2004 17:32:15
Make the guilt go away... use a Praise and Worship CD for your testing purposes... Ever heard of a guy named Carman? His material is outstanding in SQ and very wide dynamic range. Some cuts are heavy in bass while others use horns, lots of vocals and some great guitar work.
One of the best cuts I like for tuning is: "God's got an Army". Very punchy, good lowend bass and some super guitar riffs as well.
Swez
PS Who said Christian music has to be boring? Carman is anything but boring!
P0werLifter on 09/16/2004 02:25:05
If I had an opinion if God was a Basshead or a SQL type of God..id say BASSHEAD!!!!!! lol who else will make the earth quake,,,,and the Thunders Crack rattle windows? GRIN
-Jason
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