I just found out that eeach one of the subs I bought only has 100watt rms. On ebay it said 250 rms. I got 3 of them, I allready bought the JBL 600.1 from sum one. Is it still gonna work. Or if Its not , can I put in a forth sub thats 500 watt , 250 rms. P.s. the brand on the 3 subs is lighting audio and the brand on the 1 sub is directed audio. Thx
Replies (51)
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 12:18:59
The other sub is dual 4 ohms
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 12:35:31
will it create good bass
P0werLifter on 08/19/2004 13:57:19
Do you the Model Number on the subwoofers? are the DVC, SVC, 2 ohm? 4ohm? etc? If you have all the specs for the drivers that would help us help you with your options here. Thanks
~Jason
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 14:06:43
lighning audio p2.12.4, 4ohms, 1.5'' voice coil, 90spl, 100watts rms, 500max watts. I got 3 of these subs, will it work with a JBL 600.1 amp. thx
uochronos on 08/19/2004 15:44:36
you can use the 600.1 amp and just not turn it to full compacity... i have a 1200watt amp right now only running 600watts ebcause i have the gain set only at half. if set corectly this can work./
swez on 08/19/2004 19:08:15
Yep, stick with 3 subs as they all match. That's 1.33 ohms net load to the amp and no problem there. Just go easy on them with that amp. It can deliver 2x the RMS power of these subs. Padding the gain controls will help a lot.
"Padding" means if your HU puts out say 2 volts from the RCA's, set you amp close to 4 volts to be safe.
Swez
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 21:08:44
Do u think i will get good bass still, wut kind of estimated dB do u think
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 21:32:11
Wut if I bought 3 more, would 6 subs on this jbl 600.1 amp support 6 500watt peak, 100rms subs. lol
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 21:41:19
the math would be 3000Watts Peak, and only 600RMS, Does anyone think I can do this without battery upgrades with this one JBL 600.1 amp without fring it or wutever. PLease Help. THX
compvr15s on 08/19/2004 21:52:22
the amp is going to draw the same amout of power with 1 sub or 10 subs as long as your running at the same impedence and gain level, it just splits the power through out the subs..
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 22:14:39
WUTS YOUR OPINION ABOUT MY SIX SUBS THING, eACH SUB IS 4 OHMS
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 22:15:17
WILL I GET GOOD BASSSSSSS
uochronos on 08/19/2004 22:37:12
amp would draw less powwer with one sub to get that one sub to full potential., ever sub you add well add 3db of volume so 3 subs more would add 9db which is an amount you well probaly be able to notice. plan to have a huge box to house six subs though.
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 22:40:37
so my amp will support it and if a do a box can I build it into the trunk, give me any idea, does it have to be air tight. Thx, 2fast
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 22:40:38
so my amp will support it and if a do a box can I build it into the trunk, give me any idea, does it have to be air tight. Thx, 2fast
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 22:41:41
and what about ohms wut ohms will it be at, thx
uochronos on 08/19/2004 22:48:35
oh crap i didnt think about that.... this is a big maybe but you might be able to wire 3 in parrelel to get 1 ohm then wire then others the same. and then wire the 2 sets in series to bump it to 2 ohms... but wait for swez or ttocs to confirm this i'am unsure..... if you cant to it that way then you wont be able to run this many subs off the bp600.1
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 23:04:01
ok, would anyone help me to draw a diagram, Im kinda a newd at this, thx alot
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 23:04:26
sry *newb*
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 01:22:06
can anyone help
uochronos on 08/20/2004 01:28:06
i dont know for sure if it well work the way i stated or i would send you a diagram wait for swez or someone else to verify it. other wise you could end up damaging something.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 01:44:38
ok
P0werLifter on 08/20/2004 01:55:27
If they are dual voice coil you could wire them in series/parralel. WHat your talking about chronos might work in the same manner but im not sure if it would work or not..i wired my DVC subs in series/parralel to net a 2ohm load.
uochronos on 08/20/2004 02:00:16
he wants to run 6subs though is the issue.... i have never delt with so many at once... i dont know how you would or is you can properly wire them in series parrelel. all single VC 4ohm.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:01:16
there 4ohms,
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:01:25
each
P0werLifter on 08/20/2004 02:06:35
Yah they may be 4ohms..but are they DVC or SVC...DVC has more wiring posiblities than the SVC.....Chronos eventually my truck will be strutting either 8 12s or 6 15"s...depending on how much experiementation i do b4 aquiring my assets. If their DVC you can wire these much easier
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:12:51
svc
P0werLifter on 08/20/2004 02:23:10
Well...wiring 3 of the subs in parralel will net a 1.33ohm load....if you then wire the other 3 in series it should boost the ohmage load to about 2.66 i believe..almost 3 ohms but im not sure if this will work correctly...any other opinions?
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:25:00
Um, i dont know much, like series, can you describe or draw a diagram
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:25:02
Um, i dont know much, like series, can you describe or draw a diagram
uochronos on 08/20/2004 02:26:41
goto that web site i showed you and look at a series diagram... the problem is we dont know if this wiring option well net correct ohmage swez, ttocs, and soem of the others are more suited to this type of knowledge and i suggest waiting till morning. to find there opinion
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:31:13
there highest is 4 subs
uochronos on 08/20/2004 02:35:59
http://www.phoenixgold.com/tutorial/three_DVC.htm
3 DVC subs in series/parrelel is similar to 6 svc subs in series parrelel.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:42:22
so wut u saying those are dual voice coil
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:44:12
o u mean 1 dvc sub would be 2 scv ssubs
uochronos on 08/20/2004 02:49:53
yes you should be able to wire 6 svc subs similar to 3dvc subs in that picture.
i well try to draw a picture up for you of what yours should look like in the monring if i can.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:52:14
ok thx , r u gonna double check with swez or anyone else?
uochronos on 08/20/2004 02:53:42
yes i'm sure swez well see this and respond but i well check with him if he does not.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:54:43
ok thx
swez on 08/20/2004 10:59:45
Patience my boy... you'll get there. Yes, you can use 6 subs off the JBL 600.1 and get a 2.66 ohm load. That is safe for the amp and each sub will get ~90 watts RMS. Here's how:
1. Wire a pair of subs (2 subs) in series to get an 8 ohm load
2. Repeat this process 3 times so you'll have 3 sets of subs, all 8 ohms
3. Once all 3 pairs are wired, join all pairs + terminals to + terminal of amp and all - terminal wires to amp. This will give you a 2.66 ohm load to amp.
Diagram for series:
+ AMP wire.......+(sub A)...... - .....(sub A)...... + (sub B)........ - ...... wire.....on (sub B) to - AMP terminal.
Schematic:
Pos Amp terminal +.........+wwww - .......+wwww -........to Amp Neg
===================================================
Parallel wiring to amp looks like this:
Pos Amp terminal +.........+wwww - .......+wwww -........to Amp Neg
Pos Amp terminal +.........+wwww - .......+wwww -........to Amp Neg
Pos Amp terminal +.........+wwww - .......+wwww -........to Amp Neg
Does that help?
Swez
PS To do this well all + wires can be joined in box to a wire that goes to amp terminal ouput lug. Same with all - wires. Large crimp connectors will work to join all paired wires.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 12:41:44
Do u think i will get good bass
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 12:45:29
+Amp Wire--------------------+subA--------------------_subA---------------+subB-----------------------_subB. DO this 3 times?
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 14:15:07
.
P0werLifter on 08/20/2004 14:45:05
Patience young Grasshoppa, most of us work and answer these when we got home or get a chance, Yes you should get some good thump in the trunk with 6drivers as long as you have the correct enclosure type that matches the specs for the subwoofer. Enclosure building is key in how the subwoofer sounds, if you have everything wired perfectly, but in a poorly designed box....you will be dissapointed. Hopefully you have some carpentry skills and have enough room for 6drivers in your trunk or you might consiter setting these up isobaricly to save space.
-Jason
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 15:00:22
Thx, how would I build a box for all of these
P0werLifter on 08/20/2004 17:33:52
It depends on the internal volume requirment from the subwoofers specs and how much space you have to work with/willing to give up. Go out to your car...take the Height,Width, and Depth Measurements you have to work with to put your enclosure in. Then we'll go from there. Also make sure you have all the specs ready for the subwoofers Etc.
swez on 08/20/2004 18:04:07
Easy does it there "High Pockets" we don't live on the net.
Look again at my wiring diagram I drew earlier again... it's the same thing as what you noted. The key is polarity ALL THE WAY THROUGH the circuit.
Also, the ---wwww---- is a schematic drawing designation for a resistor. The voice coil of a speaker is a resistor of sorts.
About building your enclosure, there are several ways to do this, once we know the sub specs (model # would help or web page w/ specs) and the space you have available for the enclosure.
Swez
compvr15s on 08/21/2004 11:56:15
i would think going with 3 or 4 subs ported here would give better spl than six sealed subs. if you can get your 3 subs wired to the correct impedence. because going with 6 subs your only getting 90 watts to each sub if you can wire 3 subs to a 1 or 2 ohm load you will be gettin 180 watts which in essence will give a +3db from each sub plus going ported cab add another +3db per sub.. , dont recall the the voice coils on these other than single VC,... so with 3 you will be gettin +18db more over sealed but since only half the original alotted subs you will lose 9db there, but still have the +3db per sub from the ported box, so +9db over 6 sealed subs by only using 3 subs ported with twice the power...... do ya guys get what im saying, i know the math should be right but maybe my theory is wrong.. but i do know if you doulbe the power to a speaker you get +3db and if you go ported as to sealed you get another +3db..... swez or chronos care to elaborate on this.. i kinda skimmed through the post so i should probably not even but in.,, may help to save him a lil money tho and get same or better results..
uochronos on 08/21/2004 12:10:57
actualy i was speaking with him last night on MSN messenger and i think he has decided to go with 3 subs. 90watts rms isnt badd though for this subs comp because they are 100watts rms.... also i cant find ported box specs for the subs he has. and the sealed box recomendations are quite large 1.5cubic feet.
he decided on 3 subs i belive because of how large a 6 sub box would be and how complicated wiring would get. for 6 subs.
2fastxd on 08/21/2004 15:12:25
Thx everyone
Replies (51)
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 12:18:59
The other sub is dual 4 ohms
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 12:35:31
will it create good bass
P0werLifter on 08/19/2004 13:57:19
Do you the Model Number on the subwoofers? are the DVC, SVC, 2 ohm? 4ohm? etc? If you have all the specs for the drivers that would help us help you with your options here. Thanks
~Jason
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 14:06:43
lighning audio p2.12.4, 4ohms, 1.5'' voice coil, 90spl, 100watts rms, 500max watts. I got 3 of these subs, will it work with a JBL 600.1 amp. thx
uochronos on 08/19/2004 15:44:36
you can use the 600.1 amp and just not turn it to full compacity... i have a 1200watt amp right now only running 600watts ebcause i have the gain set only at half. if set corectly this can work./
swez on 08/19/2004 19:08:15
Yep, stick with 3 subs as they all match. That's 1.33 ohms net load to the amp and no problem there. Just go easy on them with that amp. It can deliver 2x the RMS power of these subs. Padding the gain controls will help a lot.
"Padding" means if your HU puts out say 2 volts from the RCA's, set you amp close to 4 volts to be safe.
Swez
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 21:08:44
Do u think i will get good bass still, wut kind of estimated dB do u think
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 21:32:11
Wut if I bought 3 more, would 6 subs on this jbl 600.1 amp support 6 500watt peak, 100rms subs. lol
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 21:41:19
the math would be 3000Watts Peak, and only 600RMS, Does anyone think I can do this without battery upgrades with this one JBL 600.1 amp without fring it or wutever. PLease Help. THX
compvr15s on 08/19/2004 21:52:22
the amp is going to draw the same amout of power with 1 sub or 10 subs as long as your running at the same impedence and gain level, it just splits the power through out the subs..
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 22:14:39
WUTS YOUR OPINION ABOUT MY SIX SUBS THING, eACH SUB IS 4 OHMS
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 22:15:17
WILL I GET GOOD BASSSSSSS
uochronos on 08/19/2004 22:37:12
amp would draw less powwer with one sub to get that one sub to full potential., ever sub you add well add 3db of volume so 3 subs more would add 9db which is an amount you well probaly be able to notice. plan to have a huge box to house six subs though.
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 22:40:37
so my amp will support it and if a do a box can I build it into the trunk, give me any idea, does it have to be air tight. Thx, 2fast
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 22:40:38
so my amp will support it and if a do a box can I build it into the trunk, give me any idea, does it have to be air tight. Thx, 2fast
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 22:41:41
and what about ohms wut ohms will it be at, thx
uochronos on 08/19/2004 22:48:35
oh crap i didnt think about that.... this is a big maybe but you might be able to wire 3 in parrelel to get 1 ohm then wire then others the same. and then wire the 2 sets in series to bump it to 2 ohms... but wait for swez or ttocs to confirm this i'am unsure..... if you cant to it that way then you wont be able to run this many subs off the bp600.1
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 23:04:01
ok, would anyone help me to draw a diagram, Im kinda a newd at this, thx alot
2fastxd on 08/19/2004 23:04:26
sry *newb*
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 01:22:06
can anyone help
uochronos on 08/20/2004 01:28:06
i dont know for sure if it well work the way i stated or i would send you a diagram wait for swez or someone else to verify it. other wise you could end up damaging something.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 01:44:38
ok
P0werLifter on 08/20/2004 01:55:27
If they are dual voice coil you could wire them in series/parralel. WHat your talking about chronos might work in the same manner but im not sure if it would work or not..i wired my DVC subs in series/parralel to net a 2ohm load.
uochronos on 08/20/2004 02:00:16
he wants to run 6subs though is the issue.... i have never delt with so many at once... i dont know how you would or is you can properly wire them in series parrelel. all single VC 4ohm.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:01:16
there 4ohms,
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:01:25
each
P0werLifter on 08/20/2004 02:06:35
Yah they may be 4ohms..but are they DVC or SVC...DVC has more wiring posiblities than the SVC.....Chronos eventually my truck will be strutting either 8 12s or 6 15"s...depending on how much experiementation i do b4 aquiring my assets. If their DVC you can wire these much easier
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:12:51
svc
P0werLifter on 08/20/2004 02:23:10
Well...wiring 3 of the subs in parralel will net a 1.33ohm load....if you then wire the other 3 in series it should boost the ohmage load to about 2.66 i believe..almost 3 ohms but im not sure if this will work correctly...any other opinions?
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:25:00
Um, i dont know much, like series, can you describe or draw a diagram
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:25:02
Um, i dont know much, like series, can you describe or draw a diagram
uochronos on 08/20/2004 02:26:41
goto that web site i showed you and look at a series diagram... the problem is we dont know if this wiring option well net correct ohmage swez, ttocs, and soem of the others are more suited to this type of knowledge and i suggest waiting till morning. to find there opinion
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:31:13
there highest is 4 subs
uochronos on 08/20/2004 02:35:59
http://www.phoenixgold.com/tutorial/three_DVC.htm
3 DVC subs in series/parrelel is similar to 6 svc subs in series parrelel.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:42:22
so wut u saying those are dual voice coil
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:44:12
o u mean 1 dvc sub would be 2 scv ssubs
uochronos on 08/20/2004 02:49:53
yes you should be able to wire 6 svc subs similar to 3dvc subs in that picture.
i well try to draw a picture up for you of what yours should look like in the monring if i can.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:52:14
ok thx , r u gonna double check with swez or anyone else?
uochronos on 08/20/2004 02:53:42
yes i'm sure swez well see this and respond but i well check with him if he does not.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 02:54:43
ok thx
swez on 08/20/2004 10:59:45
Patience my boy... you'll get there. Yes, you can use 6 subs off the JBL 600.1 and get a 2.66 ohm load. That is safe for the amp and each sub will get ~90 watts RMS. Here's how:
1. Wire a pair of subs (2 subs) in series to get an 8 ohm load
2. Repeat this process 3 times so you'll have 3 sets of subs, all 8 ohms
3. Once all 3 pairs are wired, join all pairs + terminals to + terminal of amp and all - terminal wires to amp. This will give you a 2.66 ohm load to amp.
Diagram for series:
+ AMP wire.......+(sub A)...... - .....(sub A)...... + (sub B)........ - ...... wire.....on (sub B) to - AMP terminal.
Schematic:
Pos Amp terminal +.........+wwww - .......+wwww -........to Amp Neg
===================================================
Parallel wiring to amp looks like this:
Pos Amp terminal +.........+wwww - .......+wwww -........to Amp Neg
Pos Amp terminal +.........+wwww - .......+wwww -........to Amp Neg
Pos Amp terminal +.........+wwww - .......+wwww -........to Amp Neg
Does that help?
Swez
PS To do this well all + wires can be joined in box to a wire that goes to amp terminal ouput lug. Same with all - wires. Large crimp connectors will work to join all paired wires.
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 12:41:44
Do u think i will get good bass
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 12:45:29
+Amp Wire--------------------+subA--------------------_subA---------------+subB-----------------------_subB. DO this 3 times?
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 14:15:07
.
P0werLifter on 08/20/2004 14:45:05
Patience young Grasshoppa, most of us work and answer these when we got home or get a chance, Yes you should get some good thump in the trunk with 6drivers as long as you have the correct enclosure type that matches the specs for the subwoofer. Enclosure building is key in how the subwoofer sounds, if you have everything wired perfectly, but in a poorly designed box....you will be dissapointed. Hopefully you have some carpentry skills and have enough room for 6drivers in your trunk or you might consiter setting these up isobaricly to save space.
-Jason
2fastxd on 08/20/2004 15:00:22
Thx, how would I build a box for all of these
P0werLifter on 08/20/2004 17:33:52
It depends on the internal volume requirment from the subwoofers specs and how much space you have to work with/willing to give up. Go out to your car...take the Height,Width, and Depth Measurements you have to work with to put your enclosure in. Then we'll go from there. Also make sure you have all the specs ready for the subwoofers Etc.
swez on 08/20/2004 18:04:07
Easy does it there "High Pockets" we don't live on the net.
Look again at my wiring diagram I drew earlier again... it's the same thing as what you noted. The key is polarity ALL THE WAY THROUGH the circuit.
Also, the ---wwww---- is a schematic drawing designation for a resistor. The voice coil of a speaker is a resistor of sorts.
About building your enclosure, there are several ways to do this, once we know the sub specs (model # would help or web page w/ specs) and the space you have available for the enclosure.
Swez
compvr15s on 08/21/2004 11:56:15
i would think going with 3 or 4 subs ported here would give better spl than six sealed subs. if you can get your 3 subs wired to the correct impedence. because going with 6 subs your only getting 90 watts to each sub if you can wire 3 subs to a 1 or 2 ohm load you will be gettin 180 watts which in essence will give a +3db from each sub plus going ported cab add another +3db per sub.. , dont recall the the voice coils on these other than single VC,... so with 3 you will be gettin +18db more over sealed but since only half the original alotted subs you will lose 9db there, but still have the +3db per sub from the ported box, so +9db over 6 sealed subs by only using 3 subs ported with twice the power...... do ya guys get what im saying, i know the math should be right but maybe my theory is wrong.. but i do know if you doulbe the power to a speaker you get +3db and if you go ported as to sealed you get another +3db..... swez or chronos care to elaborate on this.. i kinda skimmed through the post so i should probably not even but in.,, may help to save him a lil money tho and get same or better results..
uochronos on 08/21/2004 12:10:57
actualy i was speaking with him last night on MSN messenger and i think he has decided to go with 3 subs. 90watts rms isnt badd though for this subs comp because they are 100watts rms.... also i cant find ported box specs for the subs he has. and the sealed box recomendations are quite large 1.5cubic feet.
he decided on 3 subs i belive because of how large a 6 sub box would be and how complicated wiring would get. for 6 subs.
2fastxd on 08/21/2004 15:12:25
Thx everyone
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