just an estimate here i have a 2003 for d ranegr 4 door. i'm going to order some E-Dead deading material great deal on it 1$ per square foot. any way i dont want to install it myself so i went down to cartoys and asked for a quote on just the install and they said somewhere between 250-300$ mattering how hard it is to get the door pannels off.... evidently not one of there 6 installers that where there had done a 4 door ranger.
so they didnt know exactly how hard it would be.
seems to me 250$ is a bit spend for this install but i'm unsure if this soemthing that is normaly that expensive... i dont want to get screwed on this hehe. for 250$ i well do it myself i was more then willing to pay 50-150$ for the install seems to me it cant be more then 2-4hours of labour. since i already have the material no parts well be needed. seems to me 75$+ an hour is a bit spendy hehe.
anyway just some info on what i should be looking to spend on this just ball park wise.
Replies (9)
swez on 08/6/2004 09:29:42
Am not an Pro installer, but think your time estimates are a bit low. If you want it done by a Pro, try sub-contracting the job to one of these guys that may do it for way less, out of the shop. (on his own time) Just offer a number you think it's worth and see how many bites you get. If you wind up DIY, figure it will take about 2-3 times the amount of hours a real Pro would take. (maybe ~2 hrs. per door?)
Quotes are high due to overhead costs of the shop. That fee has a lot of hidden costs in it... profit, labor rates, liability insurance and several other factors make the bill that high.
Swez
PS If we think like a shop owner, we'd be doing the same kind of prices too.
uochronos on 08/6/2004 16:29:24
ya that does make alot of since still though 250-300 was the lowest offer there each guy in the shop gave an estimate and that was the low one... i was figureing about 4 hours because it takes me 10 minutes to take a door offa and put it back on so lets say and hour for the take off and put back on. and then they did dynamat on my firend 2 front door and charged him 150$ for the install but the install istelf too less then 2 hours so i figured 4 since i was adding 2 doors to the mix.....
i may wind up going to the place i hate going to they do great install work i just always end up getting into an argument there because the guy always trys to tell me what i "need" to do next. but they are alot cheaper.
your insisght does add alot of reason to the qoute though swez thanks i was not even considering the overhead. the only reason that doesnt seem right in this cas is usualy the stuff i get done there add up to around 30-45$ an hour like speaker insatlls, and what not. and i just could not figure out why they would charge so much more for this.
swez on 08/6/2004 18:23:02
Well Chronos, if you can pull a panel and replace same in less than 1 hour, am sure they can too. But if you can do that much with ease, you can do the matting too. Some detail cutting is probably needed, so that does take some time too. So, why not DIY and learn from the experience and save yourself $$$ for other items.
Have had GM vehicles for some time (pffiitt-O) and the doors on some of these older GM models are a real bear to take apart. (sackem-frackem-groggin-larch) Lots of hidden screws, wire harnesses and the like. My doors take about 30 minutes each to remove... so... I allow plenty of time now. I hate GM's designs. Newer Ford's are so much easier to remove. A few screws a few pops and viola!
Finally came to the realization that I can work on speakers/wiring much easier and faster by making the panel that covers the speakers removable w/o taking the door panel off. Pulled the screws and hardware out and now just use hot glue to reinstall the access panel. Takes ~10 minutes to remove and reinstall now. How lazy can a man be huh?
LOL, work smarter... NOT HARDER!
Swez
P0werLifter on 08/6/2004 23:16:03
Yah charges at Shops can get spendy, thats why i decided to do the work myself when i sound deadend my whole truck. Never did anything like it b4 but with the help of my buddy, we stripped the whole interior out of my chevy, so the only thing that was left was 1 seat (the driver) and the dash with the steering wheel lol. I layed down 150sq feet of B-Quiet Extreme (2layers) then a week later put back in the interior on my day off. If me and my buddy had spent the whole day we could have easily done it in 1 day...2 Max but we took our time.
Now having your experience, and the ability to take the panels off yourself already, doing this install would be very easy to do. Im sure you could do it in less than 4 hours. =)
Jason
uochronos on 08/6/2004 23:41:52
ya i got easy pannels 2 screws and a bunch of pop in tabs and then just lift up and its off....
i really dont enjoy working with dynamat is my downfall albe it i'm using the E-Dead i helped install dynamat into a trunk once and its just a pian to get laid right especialy on contours which my door is full of little contours up and down.... but i suppose it doesnt need to look perfect noone well see it.
i was just hoping to find out if that was around the going rate for that work if not i would have called some out of area shops and driven a ways to get it done reasonably... if not then it looks like another DIY project.
P0werLifter on 08/7/2004 04:00:48
Well I dont know if the E-Dead is anything like the dynamat, but on my install, it was simple...Peal and Roll and believe me, i have alot of contours in my truck GRIN . I havnt personally dealt with dynamat but from what ive heard, it can be quite the pain to install. Well just look around im sure u can find more info, im not sure what the going rate is here in Cali for that kind of work.
Goodluck =)
Jason
uochronos on 08/7/2004 05:00:51
called a few more shops today all about the same so looks like i well do it myuself.. only problem i have with dynamat is the **** sticks real good and doesnt like to stick a second time so if it gets a crinkle or a roll in it it does not like to come out and lay back down. which its a good things its that sticky but a curse as well hehe.
swez on 08/7/2004 08:14:36
If this is anything like doing laminates, you only get 1 chance. Once the two surfaces meet, it's very hard to remove and reset. But since this deadener is flexible, you can use a roller to smooth out creases and follow contours.
If you get a really bad crease, use a utility knife to slice it and then roll out til smooth and cut off any excess. You won't see it when done.
Sounds more like pre-flight jitters to me. The "unknown" factor is high at the moment and sure... I'd be on the cautious side too. Try an easy panel section first. As you get a feel for the work, it will get easier and your confidence will grow too.
YOU CAN DO THIS !,
Swez
ttocs on 08/8/2004 11:47:15
make sure you clean the panel and lay the deadoner out in the sun. The warmer it is the easier it is to lay....
so they didnt know exactly how hard it would be.
seems to me 250$ is a bit spend for this install but i'm unsure if this soemthing that is normaly that expensive... i dont want to get screwed on this hehe. for 250$ i well do it myself i was more then willing to pay 50-150$ for the install seems to me it cant be more then 2-4hours of labour. since i already have the material no parts well be needed. seems to me 75$+ an hour is a bit spendy hehe.
anyway just some info on what i should be looking to spend on this just ball park wise.
Replies (9)
swez on 08/6/2004 09:29:42
Am not an Pro installer, but think your time estimates are a bit low. If you want it done by a Pro, try sub-contracting the job to one of these guys that may do it for way less, out of the shop. (on his own time) Just offer a number you think it's worth and see how many bites you get. If you wind up DIY, figure it will take about 2-3 times the amount of hours a real Pro would take. (maybe ~2 hrs. per door?)
Quotes are high due to overhead costs of the shop. That fee has a lot of hidden costs in it... profit, labor rates, liability insurance and several other factors make the bill that high.
Swez
PS If we think like a shop owner, we'd be doing the same kind of prices too.
uochronos on 08/6/2004 16:29:24
ya that does make alot of since still though 250-300 was the lowest offer there each guy in the shop gave an estimate and that was the low one... i was figureing about 4 hours because it takes me 10 minutes to take a door offa and put it back on so lets say and hour for the take off and put back on. and then they did dynamat on my firend 2 front door and charged him 150$ for the install but the install istelf too less then 2 hours so i figured 4 since i was adding 2 doors to the mix.....
i may wind up going to the place i hate going to they do great install work i just always end up getting into an argument there because the guy always trys to tell me what i "need" to do next. but they are alot cheaper.
your insisght does add alot of reason to the qoute though swez thanks i was not even considering the overhead. the only reason that doesnt seem right in this cas is usualy the stuff i get done there add up to around 30-45$ an hour like speaker insatlls, and what not. and i just could not figure out why they would charge so much more for this.
swez on 08/6/2004 18:23:02
Well Chronos, if you can pull a panel and replace same in less than 1 hour, am sure they can too. But if you can do that much with ease, you can do the matting too. Some detail cutting is probably needed, so that does take some time too. So, why not DIY and learn from the experience and save yourself $$$ for other items.
Have had GM vehicles for some time (pffiitt-O) and the doors on some of these older GM models are a real bear to take apart. (sackem-frackem-groggin-larch) Lots of hidden screws, wire harnesses and the like. My doors take about 30 minutes each to remove... so... I allow plenty of time now. I hate GM's designs. Newer Ford's are so much easier to remove. A few screws a few pops and viola!
Finally came to the realization that I can work on speakers/wiring much easier and faster by making the panel that covers the speakers removable w/o taking the door panel off. Pulled the screws and hardware out and now just use hot glue to reinstall the access panel. Takes ~10 minutes to remove and reinstall now. How lazy can a man be huh?
LOL, work smarter... NOT HARDER!
Swez
P0werLifter on 08/6/2004 23:16:03
Yah charges at Shops can get spendy, thats why i decided to do the work myself when i sound deadend my whole truck. Never did anything like it b4 but with the help of my buddy, we stripped the whole interior out of my chevy, so the only thing that was left was 1 seat (the driver) and the dash with the steering wheel lol. I layed down 150sq feet of B-Quiet Extreme (2layers) then a week later put back in the interior on my day off. If me and my buddy had spent the whole day we could have easily done it in 1 day...2 Max but we took our time.
Now having your experience, and the ability to take the panels off yourself already, doing this install would be very easy to do. Im sure you could do it in less than 4 hours. =)
Jason
uochronos on 08/6/2004 23:41:52
ya i got easy pannels 2 screws and a bunch of pop in tabs and then just lift up and its off....
i really dont enjoy working with dynamat is my downfall albe it i'm using the E-Dead i helped install dynamat into a trunk once and its just a pian to get laid right especialy on contours which my door is full of little contours up and down.... but i suppose it doesnt need to look perfect noone well see it.
i was just hoping to find out if that was around the going rate for that work if not i would have called some out of area shops and driven a ways to get it done reasonably... if not then it looks like another DIY project.
P0werLifter on 08/7/2004 04:00:48
Well I dont know if the E-Dead is anything like the dynamat, but on my install, it was simple...Peal and Roll and believe me, i have alot of contours in my truck GRIN . I havnt personally dealt with dynamat but from what ive heard, it can be quite the pain to install. Well just look around im sure u can find more info, im not sure what the going rate is here in Cali for that kind of work.
Goodluck =)
Jason
uochronos on 08/7/2004 05:00:51
called a few more shops today all about the same so looks like i well do it myuself.. only problem i have with dynamat is the **** sticks real good and doesnt like to stick a second time so if it gets a crinkle or a roll in it it does not like to come out and lay back down. which its a good things its that sticky but a curse as well hehe.
swez on 08/7/2004 08:14:36
If this is anything like doing laminates, you only get 1 chance. Once the two surfaces meet, it's very hard to remove and reset. But since this deadener is flexible, you can use a roller to smooth out creases and follow contours.
If you get a really bad crease, use a utility knife to slice it and then roll out til smooth and cut off any excess. You won't see it when done.
Sounds more like pre-flight jitters to me. The "unknown" factor is high at the moment and sure... I'd be on the cautious side too. Try an easy panel section first. As you get a feel for the work, it will get easier and your confidence will grow too.
YOU CAN DO THIS !,
Swez
ttocs on 08/8/2004 11:47:15
make sure you clean the panel and lay the deadoner out in the sun. The warmer it is the easier it is to lay....
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