he has a 95 or 96 chevy with bench seat.( basically same as my truck)...he was asking me if 4 10" subs with a sealed box or 2 10" subs in a ported box would fit....he was looking at either MTX or kicker comps...he basically just wants a SPL setup..he has 1000 to spend on the amp, box, and subs
thanks
Replies (12)
uochronos on 04/24/2004 16:02:42
well amp wise i just got a killer deal on an amp its an avionix 1200watts amp thats 1200watt rms at 12volts... its a refurbed amp but its guaranteed to work by the sellar and looking at his feedback he has only had like 6 negative out of i belive 600 or more and he corrected all the negative feed back by giving full refunds. and this amp is only 200$ that would defiantly leave alot of money left for sub... as for subs elemental designs is having a clearance sale the site its being sold on is
http://207.36.230.62/storecatalog.asp?userid=2
some great deals on the k and o series subs
A.D.D. on 04/24/2004 17:24:07
so what would be the better way to go if they will fit....2 12's sealed, 4 10's sealed, or 2 10's ported
Tinker18 on 04/24/2004 18:57:11
I know that two 12's will fit, because that is originally where i had mine, as far as 4 10's maybe 2 10's ported im not sure. i know i had just under 53 inches in width behind my seats so i think he could fit 4 sealed 10's but then again im not sure on that
A.D.D. on 04/24/2004 19:32:44
but which would be louder and have have more bass...thats what he wants...loud bass...he listens to rap, rock and country
swez on 04/24/2004 20:31:14
An array of 3-4 10's can produce plenty of SPL and quality bass. Depending on the subs he chooses, the rest is amp choice and how to make it all fit.
A typical 10 will need between 0.75 - 1.0 cf/sub sealed. The larger the box, the lower the power handling per sub will be. But better low end bass. Figure on each sub handling about 300-400 RMS each... if using a 1200 watt Class D amp.
The $64,000 question will be how much enclosure space he can manage in that vehicle. For 3 x10's, need dividers for each sub so they all have their own sealed enclosure. So, he needs to figure out how much space he has for an enclosure. That will determine the size and number of woofers he can fit into that space.
What is max Height, Width and Length he can use to install an enclosure?
Swez
A.D.D. on 04/24/2004 21:06:51
im guessing the box will probly be 61" wide, 17" tall, 9" at the bottom, and 4-5 inches at the top.....if the more air space the deeper the bass...wouldnt 2 or 3 10's in that put out some nice low ends and have good spl?br
A.D.D. on 04/25/2004 02:17:09
what about some ED subs? or RE?
swez on 04/25/2004 10:16:05
The info on your box calculates out to about 2.8 cf internally for the subs. That puts you at 3 x 10" for sub choice sealed. He may be able to use dual 12's as well. Depends on the depth he has available at about 7" up from base of this wedge. The trick is to find a shallow sub set here as there is not much "D" to work with at sub mounting level.
One option could be to use spacer rings outside the box to bring the subs out more to allow for magnet depth and air flow. Basically, a donut about .75 - 1.0" thickness will help.
Have you decided on an amp yet? Depending on the subs you choose, looks like it needs to be 1 or 2 ohm stable. If going for
3 x 10's, a 3+3 DVC set will net 2 ohms wired series/parallel. If going for 2 x 12's, use 2+2 DVC's or a pair of 4 ohm SVC's. Here, you get 2 ohms net as well.
Comments?
Swez
Tinker18 on 04/25/2004 11:22:04
we were talking about this is the chatroom swez, and me and saint came out with 2.94 cu feet, with a 5 inch top depth and 3/4 inch board. if i did my math right. The depth of the box increases one inch, every 5.34 inches in height, if he uses 10's he has about 3 inches above and below, so at the top of the sub, if it's mounted in the center, he should have about 5.5 inches in depth. Right?br
swez on 04/25/2004 11:46:12
I used a small D2 number for my calcs (4.5") D 1 is 9" - 1.5" for the board thicness used, so that nets 7.5" at base. In this wedge, mouting the subs low to the base of the wedge will net most magnet room for the subs.
Basically, our calulations do match well if I use 5" as D2. Same number... 2.94 cf internal
D1 + D2 /2 = 7.0"
H = 17"
W = 61"
Gross volume = 7,259 ci/1,728 = 4.2 cf x 0.7 = 2.94 cf internal
Yep, we match so far... But mounting the subs within say 1.5 - 2.0" from base of wedge will net a greater depth number for magnet structures. That a shade above 6" for magnet depth... but if magnets are vented, have to allow at least (1 vent diameter) of air space between woofer vent and back wall. Then polyfill as well. (~12 oz/chamber.
Swez
A.D.D. on 04/25/2004 19:52:45
well i went to jacks mobile electronics and they gave me a pice for 2 12" kicker comp vrs and a box for 367.88....i think im just going to tell him to get that and find a amp there also and get them to install it...since i dont really know what else to tell him
A.D.D. on 04/28/2004 16:59:31
Ok gotten down to 2 subs....2 shivas or 2 diamond 12" M6 subs...what do you guys think
thanks
Replies (12)
uochronos on 04/24/2004 16:02:42
well amp wise i just got a killer deal on an amp its an avionix 1200watts amp thats 1200watt rms at 12volts... its a refurbed amp but its guaranteed to work by the sellar and looking at his feedback he has only had like 6 negative out of i belive 600 or more and he corrected all the negative feed back by giving full refunds. and this amp is only 200$ that would defiantly leave alot of money left for sub... as for subs elemental designs is having a clearance sale the site its being sold on is
http://207.36.230.62/storecatalog.asp?userid=2
some great deals on the k and o series subs
A.D.D. on 04/24/2004 17:24:07
so what would be the better way to go if they will fit....2 12's sealed, 4 10's sealed, or 2 10's ported
Tinker18 on 04/24/2004 18:57:11
I know that two 12's will fit, because that is originally where i had mine, as far as 4 10's maybe 2 10's ported im not sure. i know i had just under 53 inches in width behind my seats so i think he could fit 4 sealed 10's but then again im not sure on that
A.D.D. on 04/24/2004 19:32:44
but which would be louder and have have more bass...thats what he wants...loud bass...he listens to rap, rock and country
swez on 04/24/2004 20:31:14
An array of 3-4 10's can produce plenty of SPL and quality bass. Depending on the subs he chooses, the rest is amp choice and how to make it all fit.
A typical 10 will need between 0.75 - 1.0 cf/sub sealed. The larger the box, the lower the power handling per sub will be. But better low end bass. Figure on each sub handling about 300-400 RMS each... if using a 1200 watt Class D amp.
The $64,000 question will be how much enclosure space he can manage in that vehicle. For 3 x10's, need dividers for each sub so they all have their own sealed enclosure. So, he needs to figure out how much space he has for an enclosure. That will determine the size and number of woofers he can fit into that space.
What is max Height, Width and Length he can use to install an enclosure?
Swez
A.D.D. on 04/24/2004 21:06:51
im guessing the box will probly be 61" wide, 17" tall, 9" at the bottom, and 4-5 inches at the top.....if the more air space the deeper the bass...wouldnt 2 or 3 10's in that put out some nice low ends and have good spl?br
A.D.D. on 04/25/2004 02:17:09
what about some ED subs? or RE?
swez on 04/25/2004 10:16:05
The info on your box calculates out to about 2.8 cf internally for the subs. That puts you at 3 x 10" for sub choice sealed. He may be able to use dual 12's as well. Depends on the depth he has available at about 7" up from base of this wedge. The trick is to find a shallow sub set here as there is not much "D" to work with at sub mounting level.
One option could be to use spacer rings outside the box to bring the subs out more to allow for magnet depth and air flow. Basically, a donut about .75 - 1.0" thickness will help.
Have you decided on an amp yet? Depending on the subs you choose, looks like it needs to be 1 or 2 ohm stable. If going for
3 x 10's, a 3+3 DVC set will net 2 ohms wired series/parallel. If going for 2 x 12's, use 2+2 DVC's or a pair of 4 ohm SVC's. Here, you get 2 ohms net as well.
Comments?
Swez
Tinker18 on 04/25/2004 11:22:04
we were talking about this is the chatroom swez, and me and saint came out with 2.94 cu feet, with a 5 inch top depth and 3/4 inch board. if i did my math right. The depth of the box increases one inch, every 5.34 inches in height, if he uses 10's he has about 3 inches above and below, so at the top of the sub, if it's mounted in the center, he should have about 5.5 inches in depth. Right?br
swez on 04/25/2004 11:46:12
I used a small D2 number for my calcs (4.5") D 1 is 9" - 1.5" for the board thicness used, so that nets 7.5" at base. In this wedge, mouting the subs low to the base of the wedge will net most magnet room for the subs.
Basically, our calulations do match well if I use 5" as D2. Same number... 2.94 cf internal
D1 + D2 /2 = 7.0"
H = 17"
W = 61"
Gross volume = 7,259 ci/1,728 = 4.2 cf x 0.7 = 2.94 cf internal
Yep, we match so far... But mounting the subs within say 1.5 - 2.0" from base of wedge will net a greater depth number for magnet structures. That a shade above 6" for magnet depth... but if magnets are vented, have to allow at least (1 vent diameter) of air space between woofer vent and back wall. Then polyfill as well. (~12 oz/chamber.
Swez
A.D.D. on 04/25/2004 19:52:45
well i went to jacks mobile electronics and they gave me a pice for 2 12" kicker comp vrs and a box for 367.88....i think im just going to tell him to get that and find a amp there also and get them to install it...since i dont really know what else to tell him
A.D.D. on 04/28/2004 16:59:31
Ok gotten down to 2 subs....2 shivas or 2 diamond 12" M6 subs...what do you guys think
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