I have a 93 chevy single cab and i was wondering what size sub would be best and put out loud bass and have good sound quality. I dont know to much about this kinda stuff so help me out
thanks
Replies (57)
erikcooper on 02/5/2004 00:25:22
I doubt you could fit more than a 12 back there, maybe only a 10. Now beyond that we will need to know your price range and exactly how loud you want it to be...
asplundher on 02/5/2004 00:28:23
Read the "limited space" thread. We're kinda touching on that now. The main problem with regular cab trucks is the limited available space behind the seat. First, you might want to start out with a little more detail on what you are really working with. Reading that thread should give you some tips on what to look for. If not, fire away with what you already have and we'll go from there.
erikcooper on 02/5/2004 09:33:15
It also makes a difference if this is a Silverado or an S-10.
A.D.D. on 02/5/2004 18:14:17
Its a silverado with a bench seat
i want to be heard so id like it to be pretty loud and clean
KrAwLk on 02/5/2004 20:57:06
With a silverado you should have plenty of room for 12's. We just need to know your price range. I have a friend with a chevy truck single cab 1500 and he has four(4) RFHE2's with a 1500 BD amp and it fits perfectly.
KrAwLk on 02/5/2004 20:58:06
oops, forgot to say that his subs are 10's and not 12's..my bad
erikcooper on 02/5/2004 23:08:56
I was about to say, I got some 12s made in a sealed box to go behind my bench seat in my '89 Dodge and I have to scoot the seat up pretty good, really to far for me but oh well. The mounting depth in most 12s is deeper than most 10s.
A.D.D. on 02/6/2004 08:14:12
so would the 10's put out the bass i want? what subs would be good to get.
swez on 02/6/2004 09:31:55
A quality 10 can easily put out +130 dB of bass energy if you have adequate airspace and power for it. Sealed will give very good overall performance, clean, tight bass and do low bass well if the enclosure is large enough to let the sub breath. They also tend to give better mid-bass performance (80-120 Hz) as well as good low end output. (45 - 60 Hz.)
Ported is a larger box... ~50% larger then sealed, will get you a few more dB of bass, but harder to build and tune.
If you want just SPL, a set of Kicker 10's will due and cheap to buy. If you desire more SPL/SQ, then Infinity, Alpine, Polk, Crossfire, JBL and JL woofers will definitely deliver. All depends on the amping power you want to use and how much $$ you have to work with. Here's a link to just get some sub ideas:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-wuFnwt9idGi/cgi-bin/ProdGroup.asp?c=10&s=0&g=67600&cc=01&avf=Y&search=
Comments?
Swez
PS Can you take some space measurements back there to help determine how much box space you can fit? (Height, width and depth) A simple wedge design, mounted to rear wall of cab will fit in most cases. But there are other more creative options too.
A.D.D. on 02/6/2004 23:42:36
any chance 4 10's could fit? to late to get the measurments ,will get them tomarrow
A.D.D. on 02/8/2004 02:46:14
what is the difference in SPL and SQ
cplkittle on 02/8/2004 08:14:51
SPL is volume or Sound Pressure Level, measured in dB
SQ is sound quality.
If you want to be heard, you need a balance. You need to be loud, but not give up SQ. (Who wants to hear a dirty sounding system)
There aren't many bad sounding subs out there, most of it depends on the box and matching your subs with an adequately powered amplifier.
A.D.D. on 02/8/2004 13:18:39
any suggestions
erikcooper on 02/9/2004 00:24:34
I may could fit 4x 10s in a very well thoguht out box, the main problem here is depth, not so much width or heigth.
asplundher on 02/10/2004 14:19:47
Depending on the airspace needed, what you lack in depth will have to made up in height and width which can present a problem at times in a truck. Unless you are going for competition, two 10"s should be more than enough. Even a couple of 8" subs with ample power in a truck can provide serious output if designed right. First you need to pick a goal to aim for; loudness or sound quality. Then, choose the right components that will suffice.
ttocs on 02/10/2004 15:11:39
you can fit 4 10's there. As mentioned the problem is depth, not length. @ 10's can do more then 130 db's if done right. That should be plenty for most.....
A.D.D. on 02/10/2004 18:31:21
would 4 10's sound better and put out more db's than 2 12'sbr
erikcooper on 02/11/2004 00:17:36
more than likely yes, depending on what kind of cash you want to throw down
cplkittle on 02/11/2004 02:54:11
Why don't you look into these..Kicker has introduced the SOLO X in 12" and 10", the only drawback??? 2,500W RMS
http://www.kicker.com/ShowPage.cfm?filename=04SoloXSub.html&menu=SUBWOOFERS
2 10's will definitely be loud enough for you
A.D.D. on 02/11/2004 08:15:56
i was thinkin about those but where could i find a box to go behind the seat. and also how would they sound compared to JL Audio's W3v2
erikcooper on 02/11/2004 09:10:26
I would venture to say that Kicker's top of the line would sound better than JL's middle of the line.
A.D.D. on 02/11/2004 17:22:45
so would 2 SOLO X 10's sound better than 4 10" L7's?
cplkittle on 02/11/2004 18:31:51
The L7's are noted for their clarity at high SPL, the kickers are noted for higher SPL with little reguard to clarity. Comparing 2 speakers to 4 isn't really fair either. 4 L7s would blow 2 soloX 10s out of the water any day. Now 2 soloX 12s would compete well with 4 10 L7s, and probably even vice versa.
A.D.D. on 02/11/2004 19:05:18
so 4 L7's would fit?
erikcooper on 02/12/2004 00:24:59
4 10" L7s would probably fit yes. They would be louder because you have more drivers and more cone area and they would probably sound better.
A.D.D. on 02/12/2004 08:06:55
if they are going to be louder is it going to be clean? and put out massive bass?
asplundher on 02/12/2004 08:26:27
More is not always better. Running that many of the same woofers can cause a mid-band deviation. This is why you see a lot guys running different diameter woofers along in that setup. What happens is along with cabin gain the resonant frequency can become exaggerated from the extra cone area. One way to counteract is a different size from "optimum" box, which can take a little experimenting to find the right size.
erikcooper on 02/12/2004 11:30:54
Having this much bass will more than likely make you need better mid-bass, mid-range, and treble drivers.
A.D.D. on 02/12/2004 17:02:03
the stock speakers have been replaced with kenwood products. i think i have decided on 2 12" L7 or the respl XXX
erikcooper on 02/13/2004 00:21:48
Are you sure you can fit those back there? The 12s may be to deep to fit, make sure you check the depth before you order them.
A.D.D. on 02/13/2004 01:20:10
im going to a audio store tomarrow so ill find out
erikcooper on 02/13/2004 09:40:51
If you buy them from a store they will mroe than likely be quite a bit more expensive than you can get them off the internet.
A.D.D. on 02/13/2004 16:10:11
well no luck they didnt carry kicker so i dont know what to do. go with 10's to be safe?
erikcooper on 02/13/2004 17:07:48
You can see what will fit. How deep is it behind the seat? If you can tell us how much room you have, we can probably help let you know if it will work out.
A.D.D. on 02/13/2004 18:24:59
whast the best way to measure
erikcooper on 02/13/2004 18:45:59
Put the seat in the farthest postion forward that is still comfortable and measure the distance between it and the back wall at the floor and at about 15 inches up from the floor.
A.D.D. on 02/13/2004 20:01:54
ok i went to another place and they said 2 12" kicker comp vr 12's would fit. u think they would sound good? but also they didnt do any measureing. they have boxes made already and said they would fit.br
A.D.D. on 02/14/2004 01:10:58
i wanted to go with JL's W7 but the mounting depth it to deep
cplkittle on 02/14/2004 10:25:06
ask about the W6's they are a little more on the SQ side.
Also, how much money are you looking to spend? you could consider a cut through, putting the box in the bed of the truck, but that would need a bed cover and some pretty good locks on it.
A.D.D. on 02/14/2004 12:48:24
i dont wanna do a cut through because it might make it a little harder to sell. so im considering just going with the comp vr's
erikcooper on 02/14/2004 19:44:11
Comp VRs are not bad but they are a huge drop from what we have been looking at. Did they say that the L7s would not fit? If you can give me those depths I could let you know.
A.D.D. on 02/18/2004 22:43:02
ok my friend had 2 12" cerwin vega stealth series subs and a profile california amp that he used to have in his truck. over the weekend we put it in and it sounds ok but when the volume is up high they dont sound as good. anything i could do?
swez on 02/19/2004 12:04:13
ADD is a very appropriate handle for this thread... hehe
Seems like it is very hard to stay on track long enough to really make any progress. Again, w/o knowing the physical dimensions of the install space for your subs, very hard to make a useable recommendation.
What we need here:
1. Width of the rear compartment behind your seat (probably 40+"?)
2. Depth fom the narrowest point of the rear wall to the narrowest point of the back of your seat
3. Height from the floor that is usable, before the seat back rest gets too narrow
NOTE: Take into account any protrusions (jack stand, floor raised for drive train and trans, other hardware etc.) that may hinder the install of the box.
Once you have that all mapped out, we can calulate the cf of cargo space you have available and then configure a box/subs that will fit properly into your available space.
As for your friends install... make sure the amp gain setting is near midpoint. (~2.0 volts) Most HU's can put out 2.0 volts of clean power before the HU begins to cause distortion. There is an FAQ on how to tweak your bass system and it explain all you need to know about same.
http://www.clubknowledge.com/Car_Audio_FAQ/?t3
Swez
A.D.D. on 02/19/2004 18:19:03
ADD is a very appropriate handle for this thread... hehe
lol yea it does seem like it
i thought since he got a car and wasnt goin to be using them id try them out and see what i think. ill try and get the measurements but no that the box is back there might be difficult. would the measurements of the box work?
swez on 02/19/2004 20:15:46
Maybe... you can measure the box, then see if you can get that dimension to fit into your truck. If it's close, a few mods may be needed to make the thing fit... but easy to measure anyway.
A.D.D. is a rampant part of our culture today. I have it, my brother has it and so do my 2 kids and ex wife. Funny thing about it though, those who have it, actually see the world in many unique and creative ways. They can accomplish more than non- ADD people... if they can learn to remain focused on each task. SMILE
Swez
A.D.D. on 02/19/2004 20:21:20
the box is in the truck and everything is hooked up
swez on 02/19/2004 21:11:07
Atta Boy... how does it sound to you?
Swez
A.D.D. on 02/19/2004 21:51:42
it sounds good enough for now...since they were free cant complain....doesnt get real low but its good enough... now i can also save a little longer and get some good stuff
swez on 02/20/2004 09:10:29
The box may be too small for these subs and that amp is not a real winner either. Work with what you have for now, but look ahead to the next sub design you want to use and of coarse, a real sub amp.
Swez
PS What is the LP filter on the amp set on now? Should be ~80-100 Hz., for best results.
A.D.D. on 02/22/2004 23:22:12
so swez what would you choose if money wasnt a problem for the subs and amp.....just curious
also what all do tweeters do my friend was saying i should get some but he couldnt tell me what all they did for the sound
swez on 02/23/2004 08:40:20
I dunno... never had that option of price is no object. But I would say first, define your goals... High SPL, great SQ or a blend of both.
HIGH SQ & SPL:
JL w6v2, Adire Brahma, ***Elemental Designs (Ed) "A" series, Resonance Engineering. All these are massive subs and take a lot of power too. A single driver (10 or 12") would be all you need, if any of these were used.
Very Good SQ & SPL:
Alpine Type R series, Infinity Perfect, Adire Shiva, Ed "E" series
High SPL:
Kicker Solobaric, ***Audiobahn High Excursion, Sound Stream SPL series (I have the 10's now and a modest amp)
As for amps... JL, ***JBL, Kicker, Cadence, Audiobahn all come to mind. Just depends on how much power your sub will need and your electrical system can support.
NOTE: *** indicates a best value buy
As for tweeters... these are high frequency drivers that give you the sizzle of the cymbals, upper harmonics of voice, synth and guitar. They generally operate in the 1,500 to 20,000 Hz., range. Improves overall fidelity... a must have for the front stage in Coaxial designed speakers or an add on to mids. Needs a HP filter system (cap & coil) to block the lows that would destroy a tweeter.
Swez
A.D.D. on 02/23/2004 21:21:56
so would tweeters bo a good thing to get to help out hearing the lyrics of the songs?
A.D.D. on 02/23/2004 21:52:38
i wonder if i would beable to fit 1 15? any chance that could be possible
uochronos on 02/23/2004 23:31:31
a good set of tweeters or better a good set of components would make the lyrics and music in general sound much fuller and all around better.
swez on 02/24/2004 10:17:13
yep, a good set of tweeters will help pull up vocals and the highs over the droning bass. But you need to have enough power to your mids & tweets to bring up the SPL of your mids/highs.
Most HU's supply 12 -22 watts RMS power per channel to interior speakers. Once you get above about 300 watts RMS in sub power, the HU cannot keep up. This is where a good 4 channel/2 channel amp comes into play.
New aftermarket speakers will help too as stock speakers are usually very El Cheapo. They cannot take much more than 15-20 watts of power before breaking up or crapping out altogether.
A 15" sub... sure, if you have enough enclosure space back there to fit it in. The largest dimension you need is the face and back panel. These need to be at least 17" x 17" (H&W) to have enough room to mount the sub. The overall cf of the box for most sealed 15's, is about 1.5 - 2.0 cf internally. The Depth number will be based on sub space needed. To figure this out, a cardboard mockup will help you determine how much box you can actually fit in to your cargo space.
Swez
A.D.D. on 02/24/2004 18:05:23
i think i may have decided on what im going to do.....guy at school was talkin about a truck his cousin had with 2 10's and 1 12" not sure how they were set up but probly with the 12 in the middle....so im gonna go to the kicker dealer and see if the comp vr's will fit and have enough space
i just wanna have a badass system in my truck for next year since im going to be a senior...and i wanna try and get in some local comps that i found out about.
yea...im a dumbass when it comes to this kinda stuff...so thanks for all the help guys especially swez
swez on 02/25/2004 04:39:54
Look at other sub lines besides Kicker. Kicker subs are good SPL, poor SQ and require larger than average boxes to net good bass. Not that Kicker is bad... just different in their approach to sub systems.
Comp VR's are common as dirt, but not a reaL QUALITY sub compared to the high end solobarics which really need loads of amp power and enclosure space.
The best bang for the buck... SPL sub maker I see is Audiobahn. If you shop them hard, can get some very good deals off ebay. They have high efficiency rating, any range RMS input you desire and any size you might desire. If more into SPL/SQ bass, Edesigns would be a great choice and well priced too.
Check out: www.thezeb.com or
http://www.ikesound.com/category-category_id/104
thanks
Replies (57)
erikcooper on 02/5/2004 00:25:22
I doubt you could fit more than a 12 back there, maybe only a 10. Now beyond that we will need to know your price range and exactly how loud you want it to be...
asplundher on 02/5/2004 00:28:23
Read the "limited space" thread. We're kinda touching on that now. The main problem with regular cab trucks is the limited available space behind the seat. First, you might want to start out with a little more detail on what you are really working with. Reading that thread should give you some tips on what to look for. If not, fire away with what you already have and we'll go from there.
erikcooper on 02/5/2004 09:33:15
It also makes a difference if this is a Silverado or an S-10.
A.D.D. on 02/5/2004 18:14:17
Its a silverado with a bench seat
i want to be heard so id like it to be pretty loud and clean
KrAwLk on 02/5/2004 20:57:06
With a silverado you should have plenty of room for 12's. We just need to know your price range. I have a friend with a chevy truck single cab 1500 and he has four(4) RFHE2's with a 1500 BD amp and it fits perfectly.
KrAwLk on 02/5/2004 20:58:06
oops, forgot to say that his subs are 10's and not 12's..my bad
erikcooper on 02/5/2004 23:08:56
I was about to say, I got some 12s made in a sealed box to go behind my bench seat in my '89 Dodge and I have to scoot the seat up pretty good, really to far for me but oh well. The mounting depth in most 12s is deeper than most 10s.
A.D.D. on 02/6/2004 08:14:12
so would the 10's put out the bass i want? what subs would be good to get.
swez on 02/6/2004 09:31:55
A quality 10 can easily put out +130 dB of bass energy if you have adequate airspace and power for it. Sealed will give very good overall performance, clean, tight bass and do low bass well if the enclosure is large enough to let the sub breath. They also tend to give better mid-bass performance (80-120 Hz) as well as good low end output. (45 - 60 Hz.)
Ported is a larger box... ~50% larger then sealed, will get you a few more dB of bass, but harder to build and tune.
If you want just SPL, a set of Kicker 10's will due and cheap to buy. If you desire more SPL/SQ, then Infinity, Alpine, Polk, Crossfire, JBL and JL woofers will definitely deliver. All depends on the amping power you want to use and how much $$ you have to work with. Here's a link to just get some sub ideas:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-wuFnwt9idGi/cgi-bin/ProdGroup.asp?c=10&s=0&g=67600&cc=01&avf=Y&search=
Comments?
Swez
PS Can you take some space measurements back there to help determine how much box space you can fit? (Height, width and depth) A simple wedge design, mounted to rear wall of cab will fit in most cases. But there are other more creative options too.
A.D.D. on 02/6/2004 23:42:36
any chance 4 10's could fit? to late to get the measurments ,will get them tomarrow
A.D.D. on 02/8/2004 02:46:14
what is the difference in SPL and SQ
cplkittle on 02/8/2004 08:14:51
SPL is volume or Sound Pressure Level, measured in dB
SQ is sound quality.
If you want to be heard, you need a balance. You need to be loud, but not give up SQ. (Who wants to hear a dirty sounding system)
There aren't many bad sounding subs out there, most of it depends on the box and matching your subs with an adequately powered amplifier.
A.D.D. on 02/8/2004 13:18:39
any suggestions
erikcooper on 02/9/2004 00:24:34
I may could fit 4x 10s in a very well thoguht out box, the main problem here is depth, not so much width or heigth.
asplundher on 02/10/2004 14:19:47
Depending on the airspace needed, what you lack in depth will have to made up in height and width which can present a problem at times in a truck. Unless you are going for competition, two 10"s should be more than enough. Even a couple of 8" subs with ample power in a truck can provide serious output if designed right. First you need to pick a goal to aim for; loudness or sound quality. Then, choose the right components that will suffice.
ttocs on 02/10/2004 15:11:39
you can fit 4 10's there. As mentioned the problem is depth, not length. @ 10's can do more then 130 db's if done right. That should be plenty for most.....
A.D.D. on 02/10/2004 18:31:21
would 4 10's sound better and put out more db's than 2 12'sbr
erikcooper on 02/11/2004 00:17:36
more than likely yes, depending on what kind of cash you want to throw down
cplkittle on 02/11/2004 02:54:11
Why don't you look into these..Kicker has introduced the SOLO X in 12" and 10", the only drawback??? 2,500W RMS
http://www.kicker.com/ShowPage.cfm?filename=04SoloXSub.html&menu=SUBWOOFERS
2 10's will definitely be loud enough for you
A.D.D. on 02/11/2004 08:15:56
i was thinkin about those but where could i find a box to go behind the seat. and also how would they sound compared to JL Audio's W3v2
erikcooper on 02/11/2004 09:10:26
I would venture to say that Kicker's top of the line would sound better than JL's middle of the line.
A.D.D. on 02/11/2004 17:22:45
so would 2 SOLO X 10's sound better than 4 10" L7's?
cplkittle on 02/11/2004 18:31:51
The L7's are noted for their clarity at high SPL, the kickers are noted for higher SPL with little reguard to clarity. Comparing 2 speakers to 4 isn't really fair either. 4 L7s would blow 2 soloX 10s out of the water any day. Now 2 soloX 12s would compete well with 4 10 L7s, and probably even vice versa.
A.D.D. on 02/11/2004 19:05:18
so 4 L7's would fit?
erikcooper on 02/12/2004 00:24:59
4 10" L7s would probably fit yes. They would be louder because you have more drivers and more cone area and they would probably sound better.
A.D.D. on 02/12/2004 08:06:55
if they are going to be louder is it going to be clean? and put out massive bass?
asplundher on 02/12/2004 08:26:27
More is not always better. Running that many of the same woofers can cause a mid-band deviation. This is why you see a lot guys running different diameter woofers along in that setup. What happens is along with cabin gain the resonant frequency can become exaggerated from the extra cone area. One way to counteract is a different size from "optimum" box, which can take a little experimenting to find the right size.
erikcooper on 02/12/2004 11:30:54
Having this much bass will more than likely make you need better mid-bass, mid-range, and treble drivers.
A.D.D. on 02/12/2004 17:02:03
the stock speakers have been replaced with kenwood products. i think i have decided on 2 12" L7 or the respl XXX
erikcooper on 02/13/2004 00:21:48
Are you sure you can fit those back there? The 12s may be to deep to fit, make sure you check the depth before you order them.
A.D.D. on 02/13/2004 01:20:10
im going to a audio store tomarrow so ill find out
erikcooper on 02/13/2004 09:40:51
If you buy them from a store they will mroe than likely be quite a bit more expensive than you can get them off the internet.
A.D.D. on 02/13/2004 16:10:11
well no luck they didnt carry kicker so i dont know what to do. go with 10's to be safe?
erikcooper on 02/13/2004 17:07:48
You can see what will fit. How deep is it behind the seat? If you can tell us how much room you have, we can probably help let you know if it will work out.
A.D.D. on 02/13/2004 18:24:59
whast the best way to measure
erikcooper on 02/13/2004 18:45:59
Put the seat in the farthest postion forward that is still comfortable and measure the distance between it and the back wall at the floor and at about 15 inches up from the floor.
A.D.D. on 02/13/2004 20:01:54
ok i went to another place and they said 2 12" kicker comp vr 12's would fit. u think they would sound good? but also they didnt do any measureing. they have boxes made already and said they would fit.br
A.D.D. on 02/14/2004 01:10:58
i wanted to go with JL's W7 but the mounting depth it to deep
cplkittle on 02/14/2004 10:25:06
ask about the W6's they are a little more on the SQ side.
Also, how much money are you looking to spend? you could consider a cut through, putting the box in the bed of the truck, but that would need a bed cover and some pretty good locks on it.
A.D.D. on 02/14/2004 12:48:24
i dont wanna do a cut through because it might make it a little harder to sell. so im considering just going with the comp vr's
erikcooper on 02/14/2004 19:44:11
Comp VRs are not bad but they are a huge drop from what we have been looking at. Did they say that the L7s would not fit? If you can give me those depths I could let you know.
A.D.D. on 02/18/2004 22:43:02
ok my friend had 2 12" cerwin vega stealth series subs and a profile california amp that he used to have in his truck. over the weekend we put it in and it sounds ok but when the volume is up high they dont sound as good. anything i could do?
swez on 02/19/2004 12:04:13
ADD is a very appropriate handle for this thread... hehe
Seems like it is very hard to stay on track long enough to really make any progress. Again, w/o knowing the physical dimensions of the install space for your subs, very hard to make a useable recommendation.
What we need here:
1. Width of the rear compartment behind your seat (probably 40+"?)
2. Depth fom the narrowest point of the rear wall to the narrowest point of the back of your seat
3. Height from the floor that is usable, before the seat back rest gets too narrow
NOTE: Take into account any protrusions (jack stand, floor raised for drive train and trans, other hardware etc.) that may hinder the install of the box.
Once you have that all mapped out, we can calulate the cf of cargo space you have available and then configure a box/subs that will fit properly into your available space.
As for your friends install... make sure the amp gain setting is near midpoint. (~2.0 volts) Most HU's can put out 2.0 volts of clean power before the HU begins to cause distortion. There is an FAQ on how to tweak your bass system and it explain all you need to know about same.
http://www.clubknowledge.com/Car_Audio_FAQ/?t3
Swez
A.D.D. on 02/19/2004 18:19:03
ADD is a very appropriate handle for this thread... hehe
lol yea it does seem like it
i thought since he got a car and wasnt goin to be using them id try them out and see what i think. ill try and get the measurements but no that the box is back there might be difficult. would the measurements of the box work?
swez on 02/19/2004 20:15:46
Maybe... you can measure the box, then see if you can get that dimension to fit into your truck. If it's close, a few mods may be needed to make the thing fit... but easy to measure anyway.
A.D.D. is a rampant part of our culture today. I have it, my brother has it and so do my 2 kids and ex wife. Funny thing about it though, those who have it, actually see the world in many unique and creative ways. They can accomplish more than non- ADD people... if they can learn to remain focused on each task. SMILE
Swez
A.D.D. on 02/19/2004 20:21:20
the box is in the truck and everything is hooked up
swez on 02/19/2004 21:11:07
Atta Boy... how does it sound to you?
Swez
A.D.D. on 02/19/2004 21:51:42
it sounds good enough for now...since they were free cant complain....doesnt get real low but its good enough... now i can also save a little longer and get some good stuff
swez on 02/20/2004 09:10:29
The box may be too small for these subs and that amp is not a real winner either. Work with what you have for now, but look ahead to the next sub design you want to use and of coarse, a real sub amp.
Swez
PS What is the LP filter on the amp set on now? Should be ~80-100 Hz., for best results.
A.D.D. on 02/22/2004 23:22:12
so swez what would you choose if money wasnt a problem for the subs and amp.....just curious
also what all do tweeters do my friend was saying i should get some but he couldnt tell me what all they did for the sound
swez on 02/23/2004 08:40:20
I dunno... never had that option of price is no object. But I would say first, define your goals... High SPL, great SQ or a blend of both.
HIGH SQ & SPL:
JL w6v2, Adire Brahma, ***Elemental Designs (Ed) "A" series, Resonance Engineering. All these are massive subs and take a lot of power too. A single driver (10 or 12") would be all you need, if any of these were used.
Very Good SQ & SPL:
Alpine Type R series, Infinity Perfect, Adire Shiva, Ed "E" series
High SPL:
Kicker Solobaric, ***Audiobahn High Excursion, Sound Stream SPL series (I have the 10's now and a modest amp)
As for amps... JL, ***JBL, Kicker, Cadence, Audiobahn all come to mind. Just depends on how much power your sub will need and your electrical system can support.
NOTE: *** indicates a best value buy
As for tweeters... these are high frequency drivers that give you the sizzle of the cymbals, upper harmonics of voice, synth and guitar. They generally operate in the 1,500 to 20,000 Hz., range. Improves overall fidelity... a must have for the front stage in Coaxial designed speakers or an add on to mids. Needs a HP filter system (cap & coil) to block the lows that would destroy a tweeter.
Swez
A.D.D. on 02/23/2004 21:21:56
so would tweeters bo a good thing to get to help out hearing the lyrics of the songs?
A.D.D. on 02/23/2004 21:52:38
i wonder if i would beable to fit 1 15? any chance that could be possible
uochronos on 02/23/2004 23:31:31
a good set of tweeters or better a good set of components would make the lyrics and music in general sound much fuller and all around better.
swez on 02/24/2004 10:17:13
yep, a good set of tweeters will help pull up vocals and the highs over the droning bass. But you need to have enough power to your mids & tweets to bring up the SPL of your mids/highs.
Most HU's supply 12 -22 watts RMS power per channel to interior speakers. Once you get above about 300 watts RMS in sub power, the HU cannot keep up. This is where a good 4 channel/2 channel amp comes into play.
New aftermarket speakers will help too as stock speakers are usually very El Cheapo. They cannot take much more than 15-20 watts of power before breaking up or crapping out altogether.
A 15" sub... sure, if you have enough enclosure space back there to fit it in. The largest dimension you need is the face and back panel. These need to be at least 17" x 17" (H&W) to have enough room to mount the sub. The overall cf of the box for most sealed 15's, is about 1.5 - 2.0 cf internally. The Depth number will be based on sub space needed. To figure this out, a cardboard mockup will help you determine how much box you can actually fit in to your cargo space.
Swez
A.D.D. on 02/24/2004 18:05:23
i think i may have decided on what im going to do.....guy at school was talkin about a truck his cousin had with 2 10's and 1 12" not sure how they were set up but probly with the 12 in the middle....so im gonna go to the kicker dealer and see if the comp vr's will fit and have enough space
i just wanna have a badass system in my truck for next year since im going to be a senior...and i wanna try and get in some local comps that i found out about.
yea...im a dumbass when it comes to this kinda stuff...so thanks for all the help guys especially swez
swez on 02/25/2004 04:39:54
Look at other sub lines besides Kicker. Kicker subs are good SPL, poor SQ and require larger than average boxes to net good bass. Not that Kicker is bad... just different in their approach to sub systems.
Comp VR's are common as dirt, but not a reaL QUALITY sub compared to the high end solobarics which really need loads of amp power and enclosure space.
The best bang for the buck... SPL sub maker I see is Audiobahn. If you shop them hard, can get some very good deals off ebay. They have high efficiency rating, any range RMS input you desire and any size you might desire. If more into SPL/SQ bass, Edesigns would be a great choice and well priced too.
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