so up until recently i have been planning on getting two Audiobahn AWT15X subwoofers (15", 3000 RMS each). however, i recently came across the new Kicker SoloX. althought these go against all my previous preferences (they're square, made by kicker, 18" instead of 15", ect.) i can't help but think that even just one of them is exactly what i am looking for. i've read almost everything i can find on them, and i like it all. i'm basically looking for anymore pros/cons on them.
i'm not very concerned about sound quality, i know it will be good enough. i'm mainly concerned about being heard from miles away and racking up the decibels in the competitions.
so, simply put:
1) Kicker SoloX or 2 AWT15X's
if kicker
2)power options/suggestions
3)anyone heard of any cool enclosures besides what's on the website?
4)i am still looking for some competition results on these.
thanx a lot for all the help.
-Ian-
Replies (38)
cybersailor420 on 01/28/2004 20:22:13
i forgot to mention that i had also been looking at getting 2 Kicker 15" L7's, just to add another option into the mix
Munchiesyumm on 01/28/2004 20:14:41
Have you considered amplifier options yet?
You may not realize this but an amplifier to power the subs is HUGE! You will need to do upgrades in your electrical system which is very costly.
Audiobahn AWT15X are rated at 3,000 watts RMS each ($400ea.)
Kicker SoloX 18" is rated at 5,000 watts RMS($800)
Thats a 5,000 - 6,000 watt amplifer
Be prepared to spend a few thousand on an amplifer. I can't think of any that would be able to power these. You could look into getting multiple amplifers but even that is costly.
Upgrading your electrical system is VERY expensive also. So before you start deciding on what subs could you give us an idea on your price range?
Also what do you need so much sub for?
riceman on 01/28/2004 20:48:09
i think your crazy. i hooked the ppi 2200 amp to this monster and it was laughing the biggest amp ppi made was not even enough power to handle the kicker x. the box that was made for this sub was 6 cubic foot internal volume easier to imagine a dual kicker L7
15" box is usually around 3 cubic foot. so just think a chevy silverado double cab with the rear seats taken out just so this box would sit. kicker recommends that you take the kx1200 amp and amp strap it to anothor kx 1200 it's like bridging but one amp get the - side for the sub while the other amp get the + side of the sub.
i havn't tried this but i don't even think this is enough power. the kx1200 is a pretty good amp it make 1200 watts rms at one ohm
but when its in amp strap mode it now only 2 ohm stabe meaning that both amp will be pushing out about 20% less power. i think you should try two L7 15" wired in paraell so that its 1 ohm it will knock hard . the kicker x is for those really crazy guy that's running external power. the x needs too much power and too much room. try the L7 with the kx200 and let me know what u think.
erikcooper on 01/29/2004 01:03:58
If he is looking for competition results then he would need more power...
Try looking at this amp: Audiobahn A5000SPL
It does 5000w at 1 ohm. It may work for you.
cybersailor420 on 01/29/2004 08:54:03
i have already thought about power upgrades and amplifier options. i have decided to run at least two amplifiers if i get the Solo X. i have also decided that i will be upgrading my alternator (at least 160A) and getting a second battery. i already have a battery isolator and an Alumapro 5F cap, which i think i wil upgrade to the 15F cap.
as far as room goes, i recently had an SPL box in my car for the Audiobahn 1506Q's, which was 8 cu.ft., and i still had some room left. so i know i can fit a 10 cu.ft. box, if i decide to build the biggest one. what box design to use for it is another question, since they are still fairly new to the market.
as far as money and being crazy goes, yes i am that crazy when it comes to bass. as for the money, i'm not too worried about it, as long as i get the bad-ass, heart-stopping, window-shattering bass i've been longing for. after i'm finished with this upgrade, i want to actually have to worry about blowing my windows if the car is closed. one guy has been winning at a local comp. w/ SPL scores of about 148 db. i know that's **** and that i can beat it, hopefully by a decent margin.
so, anymore advice?
cplkittle on 01/29/2004 09:16:35
I believe that 2 JL 13W7's would be louder and last longer than the solo X. I was never a JL fan until I started reading the research they put into their products. But I am not trying to change your mind.
The solo X is 10,000w peak. Most people would have to take a mortage out on their house to pay for the amplification of this monster. Why don't you check out the new soloX sizes (10" &12")
Same competition performance, and a little more reasonable-pricewise.
http://www.kicker.com/ShowPage.cfm?filename=04solox.htm
As far as box design, I would consult Kicker personally about copetition designs. Most competition enclosures are extended bass shelf designs which are basically ported boxes built 2-3X larger than recommeded size (ported enclosures give you a 3dB gain over sealed). For competitions, it is highly likely to blow a sub in this type of enclosure because of the lack of acoustic suspension. This is why the Solo X has an easy to replace cone and voice coil. You will get your hardest, loudest thump when your voice coils are cold. set up your test freq (box tuned freq will be loudest), and the first second burst will be your max at that freq.
This type of enclosure would not be recommended for daily use.
erikcooper on 01/29/2004 11:17:53
I don't think that the amp I suggested is to much, for some reason I can not access the page that has good audiobahn prices but I will try later.
riceman on 01/29/2004 14:39:51
for the box design you should consult kicker I've done this before, called the number on the back of the instruction booklet i think i talked to a guy named alan or steve and he faxed a couple of box designs. and with that fax you can go to your local lumber yard and they'll make it exactly to specs. all you have to do is tell the guy at kicker your car and what you want and they punch it into theire computer and out comes the exact deminsion and box frenquency and what kind of spl to expect. give them a call and keep us posted
cybersailor420 on 01/29/2004 18:26:05
that's very good to know. the box design was my main concern. i think i'll probably end up getting a few audiobahn amps to power it. i got an Audiobahn A8000T (cold intake series) at the end of this summer. i had it hooked up to my 1506Q and it was awesome. plus it already has a 20-50 Hz subsonic filter on it.
does anyone know of some good/cheap sites (besides ebay) to find aftermarket alternators and batteries? thanx again guys.
cybersailor420 on 01/29/2004 19:55:41
also, i am seriously considering getting the A5000SPL.
Munchiesyumm on 01/29/2004 22:15:51
www.thezeb.com is having a blow out on Audiobahn amplifers right now up to 60% off and they offer free shipping and no tax so what you see is what you get.
I understand you want to get into competition so I will present to you Adire Audio Brahma series. These subs are amazing and not only that they are pretty decently priced for what they are.
http://www.adireaudio.com/mobile_audio/drivers/brahma_series.htm
I don't know that it is the cheapest place for alternators but they definatly have a lot of selection.
http://nexxon.com/alternators/alternators.htm
cplkittle is dead on when he speaks of the JLs vs. Kicker you should do exstensive research on all your options.
uochronos on 01/30/2004 00:05:54
Is this set up for compition only? seems to me from the first post sounded like this was also your daily driver... now i havnt been into the whole SPL competion and what no but wont the solo X or any other huge high powered sub like that blow in a compition type box if you are running it as a daily driver. just from what i have read here i would think JL W7 13.5, adire brahma series, elemental Desgins A series 15's, or some of the other names in that class might give you the power you are looking for but in something you can also use as a daily driver too.
The A series by elemental designs and the JL W7 13.5 both have the ability to get in to the db range you want in the right box but they well take less power and be suitable for running all the time. this is just my 2 cents though you seem like you really like the solo x so by all means get what makes you happy/deaf hehe:)
cplkittle on 01/30/2004 13:08:12
Just to note, there are studies being done after one man had a mild heart attack at a competition. Loud bass frequencies can complicate the heart rhythm.
erikcooper on 01/30/2004 15:18:03
While it is true that the zeb is having a sale, it sucks. There prices on Audiobahn gear are close to suggested retail if not at it, so the sale is still hundreds of dollars over what you can get it for...
Munchiesyumm on 01/30/2004 18:56:05
The selling point for www.thezeb.com is "Best Price or it is FREE" so please by all means show me another site that has "new" items selling for cheaper.
why you holding back on us erik what sites do you order from!?
GRIN
uochronos on 01/30/2004 19:27:58
really i didnt know the zeb had that... hmm i have found some items cheaper other places myself i may have to check that out next time i look around... i use ask.com and then hit products and find stuff occasionaly thats cheaper... amps mainly.
cybersailor420 on 01/30/2004 19:43:37
another sub i was lookin at was the Power Acousitk 15" MOFO or the SPLW (which is hard to find). i'm not to confident in P.A.'s speakers, but these subs do look pretty good. i can't help but think they're good for something w/ a 340 oz. magnet. ideas?
cybersailor420 on 01/30/2004 19:47:38
i just checked out the prices at the zeb, and they are terrible, especially for sale prices. they're selling the Audiobahn A8000T for $350, which i bought for $209 just a few months ago. also, they're trying to sell the A5000SPL for $4700, which i found 2 days ago for $2400.
Munchiesyumm on 01/30/2004 20:00:58
Power Acousitk is a bad brand....
cybersailor420 on 01/30/2004 21:09:46
i'm looking for something more solid than that. i'm interested in test results, or personal experience info.
Relax_The_Mind on 01/31/2004 06:22:23
Power Acoustik has been and i personally still think is an inferior brand. I think they can improve a bit more before I decide on purchasing anything from them. Personal experience yes... and the graveyards of power acoustik stuff at just about all your local pawnshops. Looking at the "mofo" series they seem pretty decent but then again look at the specs Xmax 0.7" ?
If anything else its basically a SPL sub...and SPL sub with a paper cone in that sense. PA advertising that they come in a "professional wooden case" should tell you enough.
For your goal I would go with:
ED (elemental designs)
Adire brahma
Kicker (yes its in my list but only with finely tuned spl ported box www.teamgates.com)
Image Dynamics IDMAX
Digital Designs 9500 (hmm DD subs roughly $1000/sub but your looking at the "dangerous bullet proof glass call the doctor i think i just went deaf" 165-170+Db range)
Many others .
For the price range of ~$300 the Image Dynamics IDMAX subs, which are quite big in the IASCA competition circuits, would be your best bet. Not power hungry either 1000w rms 1800pk with a 3.7" peak-to-peak....
I have been to many Db drags and most people that actually place use non-convetional, non-mainstream audio. The thing that even sets most of them apart is in the box design itself. Obviously you wont be competing stock with the electrical upgrades. With the exception of demo and sponsored cars... of course 30+ subs will hit 170+Db... People are starting to hit that range with only 2 12"s.
RTM
Sylver on 02/2/2004 14:57:27
Yo Cyber, you wanted personal experience. I used to have 2 SPLW subs. I had 2 12" in a ported enclosure with 2.8 cu ft. Rect ports, 11.75" deep. And OMFG they SLAMMED. I was using an Audiobahn hc1300q amp. I mean...just WOW. Youd have to of heard it to understand. I dono if it was the box design we came up with, the subs, the amp, or a culmination of them all. But holy god I couldn't even play it all the way up. That was with them receiving only half of what their RMS is too.... I got em from www.digitalneeds.net a WONDERFUL site, with awsome prices. I emailed them 3 days after placing my order wondering about a tracking number and it came that day.....
The subs come with box specs and suggestions, if you had 2 15" built in a custom box design, with about 1200-1500 RMS into each, youd definately turn some heads at a comp.
Just my 2 cents....
-Sylver
cybersailor420 on 02/2/2004 17:47:01
that's the kind of info i was looking for, thanx Sylver. and that website really is amazing; even when i found the SPLW's on ebay they weren't nearly that cheap. 3 questions: what kind of car do you have? have you measured the decibels you're hitting? did you use the recommended box specs (including slot vents instead of round ports) ? thanx again.
Sylver on 02/2/2004 18:23:25
I have a 92 Honda Civic 4-door Sedan. the box for the 12's took up most of it. I never had a chance to get the dB readings, all the places around here charge like $50 to get it measured. btw, if anyone knows wehre i can get a dB meter for good price and how to use please lemme know =P But back to cybersailor...I used the exact specs they recommended, and yes i used the slotted ports. note when making the slot ports, round the inside edges of the port slots (the part inside the enclosure) to reduce port noise ;)
SPL is a smaller company but definately deserves recognition for their product, it put a smile on my face many times.
good luck and let me know how it goes!! or email em if youve got any other questions sylversdomain@yahoo.com
cybersailor420 on 02/2/2004 18:33:52
i looked at the digital designs as suggested by RTM, and am very interested on hearing more about them.
saintanddolphin on 02/3/2004 00:19:00
this is my first visit and am learning quickly...that i really dont know jack...
fitz1465 on 02/3/2004 00:40:38
saintanddolphin:
try learning about T/S Parameters for the first time in your life....you didn't know there was so much science and thought in the audio world did ya
you'll find they were two pretty smart guys
(hence T/S, Thiele/Small)
erikcooper on 02/3/2004 10:50:19
I know I made this reply before but for some reason it isn't posted.
The reason that the zeb says it will match any price out there is because they are an authorized dealer for the brands that they carry and they will match other prices, of other authorized dealers. The authorized dealers pretty much have to sell the gear for at or around MSRP which is outrageous most of the time. Most of the people that you can buy gear from online are not authorized dealers so you do not get the factory warranty, while some do give their own warranties, which makes the price much much cheaper. Some of these places would include nexxon.com and ebay.
Munchiesyumm on 02/3/2004 19:07:04
www.thezeb.com is like any other site it has it's good and it's bad. Some of the items on there I cannot find for any cheaper some of them can be. But this is off topic.
I found a site which was non-authorized and e-mailed the best price department and they knocked off 10 dollars less than the other company was offering.
If you find a deal on there great, but many times just like any other site there are cheaper items. Lets please move on.
Have you narrowed it down any cybersailor420?
cybersailor420 on 02/4/2004 02:12:57
yea, i think i'm gettin there. i'm finding myself somewhat partial to Kicker; either 2 of the new 15L7's ( i don't know if you guys have seen them, but they look pretty hot!) or 1 Solo X. if i get the Solo X, i'll probably start with the 5 cu.ft. box and see how close it is to what i'm lookin for. again, i will more than pleased if i can get a system that hits at least 150 dBs. i also think i have narrowed down my amplifier search. i first decided on either Audiobahn or Kicker. I was thinking of the A5000SPL ( i mean how many other people have that?), or one of the flame series amps. but just last night i came across Kicker's new SX series amplifiers... what could be cooler than an amp capable of being strapped to one of its own, pumping out 1250 into 1 ohm RMS and with COMPLETELY DIGITAL CONTROLS!!! just going through the simulation on they're website had me almost sold.
anyways, that's my update for now. let me know what you guys think.
-Ian-
erikcooper on 02/4/2004 12:29:51
1250w into the 5000w SoloX? or do you mean the one where you can add 1250w amps together for more?
cybersailor420 on 02/4/2004 15:20:24
sorry. it's the latter. i thought it was obvious.
-Ian-
erikcooper on 02/4/2004 18:45:55
It kind of was, I was just making sure that was the amp you were talking about.
cybersailor420 on 02/4/2004 19:28:38
so yea, just clarifyin... if i got the solo x, i would either use the A5000SPL or multiple kicker SX1250.1 amps. if i get the 15L7's i'll probably just use one SX1250.1 or an Audiobahn amp.
Sylver on 02/4/2004 20:01:32
The biggest downside to the SoloX is that it's built to be blown. It's not made for everyday use, and if you drop the power to use it everyday is going to be underpowered. Also, 18's arent very clear, theyre sloppy bass machines (dont get me wrong i LOVE bass, but it's more fun when it sounds clean-'ish') Just my 2 cents...
-Sylver
p.s. good luck with whatevery you decide on! cant wait to hear how it comes out!
cybersailor420 on 02/6/2004 17:25:14
i'm still wondering what people think about my amplifier suggestions, mentioned above.
erikcooper on 02/8/2004 18:13:40
They look good to me.
cybersailor420 on 02/23/2004 02:00:25
Bump
i'm not very concerned about sound quality, i know it will be good enough. i'm mainly concerned about being heard from miles away and racking up the decibels in the competitions.
so, simply put:
1) Kicker SoloX or 2 AWT15X's
if kicker
2)power options/suggestions
3)anyone heard of any cool enclosures besides what's on the website?
4)i am still looking for some competition results on these.
thanx a lot for all the help.
-Ian-
Replies (38)
cybersailor420 on 01/28/2004 20:22:13
i forgot to mention that i had also been looking at getting 2 Kicker 15" L7's, just to add another option into the mix
Munchiesyumm on 01/28/2004 20:14:41
Have you considered amplifier options yet?
You may not realize this but an amplifier to power the subs is HUGE! You will need to do upgrades in your electrical system which is very costly.
Audiobahn AWT15X are rated at 3,000 watts RMS each ($400ea.)
Kicker SoloX 18" is rated at 5,000 watts RMS($800)
Thats a 5,000 - 6,000 watt amplifer
Be prepared to spend a few thousand on an amplifer. I can't think of any that would be able to power these. You could look into getting multiple amplifers but even that is costly.
Upgrading your electrical system is VERY expensive also. So before you start deciding on what subs could you give us an idea on your price range?
Also what do you need so much sub for?
riceman on 01/28/2004 20:48:09
i think your crazy. i hooked the ppi 2200 amp to this monster and it was laughing the biggest amp ppi made was not even enough power to handle the kicker x. the box that was made for this sub was 6 cubic foot internal volume easier to imagine a dual kicker L7
15" box is usually around 3 cubic foot. so just think a chevy silverado double cab with the rear seats taken out just so this box would sit. kicker recommends that you take the kx1200 amp and amp strap it to anothor kx 1200 it's like bridging but one amp get the - side for the sub while the other amp get the + side of the sub.
i havn't tried this but i don't even think this is enough power. the kx1200 is a pretty good amp it make 1200 watts rms at one ohm
but when its in amp strap mode it now only 2 ohm stabe meaning that both amp will be pushing out about 20% less power. i think you should try two L7 15" wired in paraell so that its 1 ohm it will knock hard . the kicker x is for those really crazy guy that's running external power. the x needs too much power and too much room. try the L7 with the kx200 and let me know what u think.
erikcooper on 01/29/2004 01:03:58
If he is looking for competition results then he would need more power...
Try looking at this amp: Audiobahn A5000SPL
It does 5000w at 1 ohm. It may work for you.
cybersailor420 on 01/29/2004 08:54:03
i have already thought about power upgrades and amplifier options. i have decided to run at least two amplifiers if i get the Solo X. i have also decided that i will be upgrading my alternator (at least 160A) and getting a second battery. i already have a battery isolator and an Alumapro 5F cap, which i think i wil upgrade to the 15F cap.
as far as room goes, i recently had an SPL box in my car for the Audiobahn 1506Q's, which was 8 cu.ft., and i still had some room left. so i know i can fit a 10 cu.ft. box, if i decide to build the biggest one. what box design to use for it is another question, since they are still fairly new to the market.
as far as money and being crazy goes, yes i am that crazy when it comes to bass. as for the money, i'm not too worried about it, as long as i get the bad-ass, heart-stopping, window-shattering bass i've been longing for. after i'm finished with this upgrade, i want to actually have to worry about blowing my windows if the car is closed. one guy has been winning at a local comp. w/ SPL scores of about 148 db. i know that's **** and that i can beat it, hopefully by a decent margin.
so, anymore advice?
cplkittle on 01/29/2004 09:16:35
I believe that 2 JL 13W7's would be louder and last longer than the solo X. I was never a JL fan until I started reading the research they put into their products. But I am not trying to change your mind.
The solo X is 10,000w peak. Most people would have to take a mortage out on their house to pay for the amplification of this monster. Why don't you check out the new soloX sizes (10" &12")
Same competition performance, and a little more reasonable-pricewise.
http://www.kicker.com/ShowPage.cfm?filename=04solox.htm
As far as box design, I would consult Kicker personally about copetition designs. Most competition enclosures are extended bass shelf designs which are basically ported boxes built 2-3X larger than recommeded size (ported enclosures give you a 3dB gain over sealed). For competitions, it is highly likely to blow a sub in this type of enclosure because of the lack of acoustic suspension. This is why the Solo X has an easy to replace cone and voice coil. You will get your hardest, loudest thump when your voice coils are cold. set up your test freq (box tuned freq will be loudest), and the first second burst will be your max at that freq.
This type of enclosure would not be recommended for daily use.
erikcooper on 01/29/2004 11:17:53
I don't think that the amp I suggested is to much, for some reason I can not access the page that has good audiobahn prices but I will try later.
riceman on 01/29/2004 14:39:51
for the box design you should consult kicker I've done this before, called the number on the back of the instruction booklet i think i talked to a guy named alan or steve and he faxed a couple of box designs. and with that fax you can go to your local lumber yard and they'll make it exactly to specs. all you have to do is tell the guy at kicker your car and what you want and they punch it into theire computer and out comes the exact deminsion and box frenquency and what kind of spl to expect. give them a call and keep us posted
cybersailor420 on 01/29/2004 18:26:05
that's very good to know. the box design was my main concern. i think i'll probably end up getting a few audiobahn amps to power it. i got an Audiobahn A8000T (cold intake series) at the end of this summer. i had it hooked up to my 1506Q and it was awesome. plus it already has a 20-50 Hz subsonic filter on it.
does anyone know of some good/cheap sites (besides ebay) to find aftermarket alternators and batteries? thanx again guys.
cybersailor420 on 01/29/2004 19:55:41
also, i am seriously considering getting the A5000SPL.
Munchiesyumm on 01/29/2004 22:15:51
www.thezeb.com is having a blow out on Audiobahn amplifers right now up to 60% off and they offer free shipping and no tax so what you see is what you get.
I understand you want to get into competition so I will present to you Adire Audio Brahma series. These subs are amazing and not only that they are pretty decently priced for what they are.
http://www.adireaudio.com/mobile_audio/drivers/brahma_series.htm
I don't know that it is the cheapest place for alternators but they definatly have a lot of selection.
http://nexxon.com/alternators/alternators.htm
cplkittle is dead on when he speaks of the JLs vs. Kicker you should do exstensive research on all your options.
uochronos on 01/30/2004 00:05:54
Is this set up for compition only? seems to me from the first post sounded like this was also your daily driver... now i havnt been into the whole SPL competion and what no but wont the solo X or any other huge high powered sub like that blow in a compition type box if you are running it as a daily driver. just from what i have read here i would think JL W7 13.5, adire brahma series, elemental Desgins A series 15's, or some of the other names in that class might give you the power you are looking for but in something you can also use as a daily driver too.
The A series by elemental designs and the JL W7 13.5 both have the ability to get in to the db range you want in the right box but they well take less power and be suitable for running all the time. this is just my 2 cents though you seem like you really like the solo x so by all means get what makes you happy/deaf hehe:)
cplkittle on 01/30/2004 13:08:12
Just to note, there are studies being done after one man had a mild heart attack at a competition. Loud bass frequencies can complicate the heart rhythm.
erikcooper on 01/30/2004 15:18:03
While it is true that the zeb is having a sale, it sucks. There prices on Audiobahn gear are close to suggested retail if not at it, so the sale is still hundreds of dollars over what you can get it for...
Munchiesyumm on 01/30/2004 18:56:05
The selling point for www.thezeb.com is "Best Price or it is FREE" so please by all means show me another site that has "new" items selling for cheaper.
why you holding back on us erik what sites do you order from!?
GRIN
uochronos on 01/30/2004 19:27:58
really i didnt know the zeb had that... hmm i have found some items cheaper other places myself i may have to check that out next time i look around... i use ask.com and then hit products and find stuff occasionaly thats cheaper... amps mainly.
cybersailor420 on 01/30/2004 19:43:37
another sub i was lookin at was the Power Acousitk 15" MOFO or the SPLW (which is hard to find). i'm not to confident in P.A.'s speakers, but these subs do look pretty good. i can't help but think they're good for something w/ a 340 oz. magnet. ideas?
cybersailor420 on 01/30/2004 19:47:38
i just checked out the prices at the zeb, and they are terrible, especially for sale prices. they're selling the Audiobahn A8000T for $350, which i bought for $209 just a few months ago. also, they're trying to sell the A5000SPL for $4700, which i found 2 days ago for $2400.
Munchiesyumm on 01/30/2004 20:00:58
Power Acousitk is a bad brand....
cybersailor420 on 01/30/2004 21:09:46
i'm looking for something more solid than that. i'm interested in test results, or personal experience info.
Relax_The_Mind on 01/31/2004 06:22:23
Power Acoustik has been and i personally still think is an inferior brand. I think they can improve a bit more before I decide on purchasing anything from them. Personal experience yes... and the graveyards of power acoustik stuff at just about all your local pawnshops. Looking at the "mofo" series they seem pretty decent but then again look at the specs Xmax 0.7" ?
If anything else its basically a SPL sub...and SPL sub with a paper cone in that sense. PA advertising that they come in a "professional wooden case" should tell you enough.
For your goal I would go with:
ED (elemental designs)
Adire brahma
Kicker (yes its in my list but only with finely tuned spl ported box www.teamgates.com)
Image Dynamics IDMAX
Digital Designs 9500 (hmm DD subs roughly $1000/sub but your looking at the "dangerous bullet proof glass call the doctor i think i just went deaf" 165-170+Db range)
Many others .
For the price range of ~$300 the Image Dynamics IDMAX subs, which are quite big in the IASCA competition circuits, would be your best bet. Not power hungry either 1000w rms 1800pk with a 3.7" peak-to-peak....
I have been to many Db drags and most people that actually place use non-convetional, non-mainstream audio. The thing that even sets most of them apart is in the box design itself. Obviously you wont be competing stock with the electrical upgrades. With the exception of demo and sponsored cars... of course 30+ subs will hit 170+Db... People are starting to hit that range with only 2 12"s.
RTM
Sylver on 02/2/2004 14:57:27
Yo Cyber, you wanted personal experience. I used to have 2 SPLW subs. I had 2 12" in a ported enclosure with 2.8 cu ft. Rect ports, 11.75" deep. And OMFG they SLAMMED. I was using an Audiobahn hc1300q amp. I mean...just WOW. Youd have to of heard it to understand. I dono if it was the box design we came up with, the subs, the amp, or a culmination of them all. But holy god I couldn't even play it all the way up. That was with them receiving only half of what their RMS is too.... I got em from www.digitalneeds.net a WONDERFUL site, with awsome prices. I emailed them 3 days after placing my order wondering about a tracking number and it came that day.....
The subs come with box specs and suggestions, if you had 2 15" built in a custom box design, with about 1200-1500 RMS into each, youd definately turn some heads at a comp.
Just my 2 cents....
-Sylver
cybersailor420 on 02/2/2004 17:47:01
that's the kind of info i was looking for, thanx Sylver. and that website really is amazing; even when i found the SPLW's on ebay they weren't nearly that cheap. 3 questions: what kind of car do you have? have you measured the decibels you're hitting? did you use the recommended box specs (including slot vents instead of round ports) ? thanx again.
Sylver on 02/2/2004 18:23:25
I have a 92 Honda Civic 4-door Sedan. the box for the 12's took up most of it. I never had a chance to get the dB readings, all the places around here charge like $50 to get it measured. btw, if anyone knows wehre i can get a dB meter for good price and how to use please lemme know =P But back to cybersailor...I used the exact specs they recommended, and yes i used the slotted ports. note when making the slot ports, round the inside edges of the port slots (the part inside the enclosure) to reduce port noise ;)
SPL is a smaller company but definately deserves recognition for their product, it put a smile on my face many times.
good luck and let me know how it goes!! or email em if youve got any other questions sylversdomain@yahoo.com
cybersailor420 on 02/2/2004 18:33:52
i looked at the digital designs as suggested by RTM, and am very interested on hearing more about them.
saintanddolphin on 02/3/2004 00:19:00
this is my first visit and am learning quickly...that i really dont know jack...
fitz1465 on 02/3/2004 00:40:38
saintanddolphin:
try learning about T/S Parameters for the first time in your life....you didn't know there was so much science and thought in the audio world did ya
you'll find they were two pretty smart guys
(hence T/S, Thiele/Small)
erikcooper on 02/3/2004 10:50:19
I know I made this reply before but for some reason it isn't posted.
The reason that the zeb says it will match any price out there is because they are an authorized dealer for the brands that they carry and they will match other prices, of other authorized dealers. The authorized dealers pretty much have to sell the gear for at or around MSRP which is outrageous most of the time. Most of the people that you can buy gear from online are not authorized dealers so you do not get the factory warranty, while some do give their own warranties, which makes the price much much cheaper. Some of these places would include nexxon.com and ebay.
Munchiesyumm on 02/3/2004 19:07:04
www.thezeb.com is like any other site it has it's good and it's bad. Some of the items on there I cannot find for any cheaper some of them can be. But this is off topic.
I found a site which was non-authorized and e-mailed the best price department and they knocked off 10 dollars less than the other company was offering.
If you find a deal on there great, but many times just like any other site there are cheaper items. Lets please move on.
Have you narrowed it down any cybersailor420?
cybersailor420 on 02/4/2004 02:12:57
yea, i think i'm gettin there. i'm finding myself somewhat partial to Kicker; either 2 of the new 15L7's ( i don't know if you guys have seen them, but they look pretty hot!) or 1 Solo X. if i get the Solo X, i'll probably start with the 5 cu.ft. box and see how close it is to what i'm lookin for. again, i will more than pleased if i can get a system that hits at least 150 dBs. i also think i have narrowed down my amplifier search. i first decided on either Audiobahn or Kicker. I was thinking of the A5000SPL ( i mean how many other people have that?), or one of the flame series amps. but just last night i came across Kicker's new SX series amplifiers... what could be cooler than an amp capable of being strapped to one of its own, pumping out 1250 into 1 ohm RMS and with COMPLETELY DIGITAL CONTROLS!!! just going through the simulation on they're website had me almost sold.
anyways, that's my update for now. let me know what you guys think.
-Ian-
erikcooper on 02/4/2004 12:29:51
1250w into the 5000w SoloX? or do you mean the one where you can add 1250w amps together for more?
cybersailor420 on 02/4/2004 15:20:24
sorry. it's the latter. i thought it was obvious.
-Ian-
erikcooper on 02/4/2004 18:45:55
It kind of was, I was just making sure that was the amp you were talking about.
cybersailor420 on 02/4/2004 19:28:38
so yea, just clarifyin... if i got the solo x, i would either use the A5000SPL or multiple kicker SX1250.1 amps. if i get the 15L7's i'll probably just use one SX1250.1 or an Audiobahn amp.
Sylver on 02/4/2004 20:01:32
The biggest downside to the SoloX is that it's built to be blown. It's not made for everyday use, and if you drop the power to use it everyday is going to be underpowered. Also, 18's arent very clear, theyre sloppy bass machines (dont get me wrong i LOVE bass, but it's more fun when it sounds clean-'ish') Just my 2 cents...
-Sylver
p.s. good luck with whatevery you decide on! cant wait to hear how it comes out!
cybersailor420 on 02/6/2004 17:25:14
i'm still wondering what people think about my amplifier suggestions, mentioned above.
erikcooper on 02/8/2004 18:13:40
They look good to me.
cybersailor420 on 02/23/2004 02:00:25
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