I have one topic started btu since it is on a completely different subject I will start this one differently. Can anyone please explain to me exactly the different ways of wiring speakers? The different ways to make it so many ohms and series/parallel. I don't quite understand it...
Replies (15)
uochronos on 12/24/2003 12:27:47
Here is the best tuturial i have found for wiring speakers this is for subs specificaly but it all works the same as far as getting differnt ohms.
http://www.phoenixgold.com/tutorial/two_SVC.htm
this one is for wiring 2 dual voice coil subs together it shows all possible ways.
this one is the menu so you can select single or dual voice coil and how many speakers if you want to see.
http://www.phoenixgold.com/tutorial/wiring_tutor.html
these are very strieght forward easy to understand tuturials with picturs and discriptions. hope this helps
erikcooper on 12/24/2003 12:39:31
What about Quads?
cplkittle on 12/27/2003 03:32:49
that is new to me but I ASSUME that there are more wiring options, don't know for sure. for example: quad 4 ohm VC
parallel=1ohm
series=16ohm
2 in series+2 in series, then wired in parallel=4ohm
quad 2ohm vc
parallel=0.5ohm
series=8 ohm
2 in series+2 in series, then wired parallel=2ohm
I wouldn't try a 3/1 combination, that would seem to make them unbalanced.
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 00:40:33
That was some good information but I am not real sure on the whole series/parallel thing. I have never studied how to wire in series or parallel.
swez on 12/30/2003 09:04:10
Series is when the loads are all in a line. Lets see if I can map this out somehow.
SERIES CONNECTIONS:
POS +________+wwww -______+wwww -______ - NEG
Assuming these loads are 4 ohm speakers, you'll get a net 8 ohm load back to the amp.
This is two resistors in series. The current is the same in both loads (__wwww__) the voltage is divided between the 2 loads, depending on the load values.
PARALLEL CONNECTIONS:
POS +_______+wwwww -_______ - NEG
POS +_______+wwwww -_______ - NEG
Here, the voltage is the same to each load and current varies, based on the loads resistance. The net resistance the amp sees in this wiring scheme is 2 ohms, assuming both loads are 4 ohms each.
Try not to over analyze your wiring needs. There are many good diagrams on various web sites that make this simple and easy to do. Without some electronics in your background, you'll just get frustrated and spin your wheels.
Swez
PS The (___wwww___) represents a resistor load, like a speaker voice coil. The catch here, we are dealing with a polarity to make things work properly.
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 10:01:04
Ok so series is when you wire amp positive to speaker 1 positive, speaker 1 negative to speaker 2 positive, and speaker 2 negative to amp negative? Parallel is when you run them off of different amp terminals? Let me know if this is right. If so what does it mean when it says series/parallel?
swez on 12/30/2003 11:02:26
Yes, you have this right... in parallel, can use 2 amp terminals supplied by most good MONO amps. The amp terminals are wired in parallel and do the work automatically for you.
Series/parallel is when we wire a DVC sub (for example) in series. Both VC's are wired as shown eqarlier and you get an 8 ohm load when using 4+4 ohm DVC's. Wire both subs independently in series.
The parallel part comes when you join the two 8 ohm subs in parallel as noted. It looks like this on paper:
POS +__+wwwww - ____ +wwwww - _____ - NEG (series leg A)
POS +__+wwwww - ____ +wwwww - _____ - NEG (series leg B)
Now, we have a series/parallel configuration with a net ohm load of 2 ohms when wired as noted. This assumes a 4 + 4 DVC set was used.
Got it?
Swez
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 11:44:31
Ok so you wire it amp positive to VC 1 positive, VC 1 negative to VC 2 positive, VC 2 negative to amp negative, right? And then you do the same with the second sub and that gives you series parallel right?
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 12:24:13
While we are on the subject of wiring can someone tell in a quick post the correct order for wiring the entire system? This includes HU, Equalizer, Crossovers, Amps, and Speakers. If I am to quick to realize I left out any other important pieces please let me know.
cplkittle on 12/30/2003 17:26:36
There are alot of possibilities here, as there are many different types of input/output connections.
Assuming you have all RCA connections on HU, EQ, and amp:
Subs first
HU -> EQ (optional) ->AMP -> SUB(s) Most of this should be RCA connections.
mids/highs
HU -> EQ -> (amp?) ->Mid bass speaker -> crossover -> Tweeter
UNLESS your crossover has mid and high outputs, then you would go HU -> EQ -> (amp?) -> crossover -> then to mids and highs.
UNLESS you are talking about a 2 or 3 channel trunk mount type crossover that has RCA inputs.. in that case you would go HU -> EQ -> Crossover -> (amp?) -> speakers. .
If I confused you, tell us exactly what type of crossovers you have or have in mind, and what kind of connections you are dealing with for each piece (HU, EQ, Crossover, AMP(s)).
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 17:39:30
I am getting the CDT HD-62CV or HD-62EF. I also have the Kicker K410, but I believe at 30w RMs I will just run it from the HU. I plan to have an EQ but have not decided on a specific one yet. Then on the Subs I will run 2 12s as Midbass and 2 15s as Bass but both will be off of amps with RCA.
cplkittle on 12/30/2003 17:57:10
Running the subs through the EQ will depend on the eq itself, and the sub amps.
Earlier when I mentioned the "midbass speakers" I was referring to the 6" component, to avoid confusion.
How are you running your subs? ie.. 12's sealed, 15's ported
all sealed, all ported?
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 19:45:34
I am sure the 12s will be sealed yes, I am not sure on the 15s yet, more than likely ported. I figure the the 4 x 10s will play all, straight from the HU, the tweets will do the high, 6.5s the midrange, 12s the midbass, and 15s the low bass. So no matter what eq I get and amps I get it will run right and all the frequencies will be distributed?
cplkittle on 12/30/2003 22:26:20
yes.
The eq will provide adjustablilty to the midrange speakers, and some bass controll for the subs depending on if it has a sub channel. The crossovers will isolate only highs to your tweets, and depending on the amps used for the subs you may have a filter on them as well.
It sounds like you will have a pretty decent setup.
erikcooper on 12/31/2003 00:52:37
Ok, I will finish with my other thread where I am deciding what equipment to get and then ask about exact wiring. Sound good?
Replies (15)
uochronos on 12/24/2003 12:27:47
Here is the best tuturial i have found for wiring speakers this is for subs specificaly but it all works the same as far as getting differnt ohms.
http://www.phoenixgold.com/tutorial/two_SVC.htm
this one is for wiring 2 dual voice coil subs together it shows all possible ways.
this one is the menu so you can select single or dual voice coil and how many speakers if you want to see.
http://www.phoenixgold.com/tutorial/wiring_tutor.html
these are very strieght forward easy to understand tuturials with picturs and discriptions. hope this helps
erikcooper on 12/24/2003 12:39:31
What about Quads?
cplkittle on 12/27/2003 03:32:49
that is new to me but I ASSUME that there are more wiring options, don't know for sure. for example: quad 4 ohm VC
parallel=1ohm
series=16ohm
2 in series+2 in series, then wired in parallel=4ohm
quad 2ohm vc
parallel=0.5ohm
series=8 ohm
2 in series+2 in series, then wired parallel=2ohm
I wouldn't try a 3/1 combination, that would seem to make them unbalanced.
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 00:40:33
That was some good information but I am not real sure on the whole series/parallel thing. I have never studied how to wire in series or parallel.
swez on 12/30/2003 09:04:10
Series is when the loads are all in a line. Lets see if I can map this out somehow.
SERIES CONNECTIONS:
POS +________+wwww -______+wwww -______ - NEG
Assuming these loads are 4 ohm speakers, you'll get a net 8 ohm load back to the amp.
This is two resistors in series. The current is the same in both loads (__wwww__) the voltage is divided between the 2 loads, depending on the load values.
PARALLEL CONNECTIONS:
POS +_______+wwwww -_______ - NEG
POS +_______+wwwww -_______ - NEG
Here, the voltage is the same to each load and current varies, based on the loads resistance. The net resistance the amp sees in this wiring scheme is 2 ohms, assuming both loads are 4 ohms each.
Try not to over analyze your wiring needs. There are many good diagrams on various web sites that make this simple and easy to do. Without some electronics in your background, you'll just get frustrated and spin your wheels.
Swez
PS The (___wwww___) represents a resistor load, like a speaker voice coil. The catch here, we are dealing with a polarity to make things work properly.
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 10:01:04
Ok so series is when you wire amp positive to speaker 1 positive, speaker 1 negative to speaker 2 positive, and speaker 2 negative to amp negative? Parallel is when you run them off of different amp terminals? Let me know if this is right. If so what does it mean when it says series/parallel?
swez on 12/30/2003 11:02:26
Yes, you have this right... in parallel, can use 2 amp terminals supplied by most good MONO amps. The amp terminals are wired in parallel and do the work automatically for you.
Series/parallel is when we wire a DVC sub (for example) in series. Both VC's are wired as shown eqarlier and you get an 8 ohm load when using 4+4 ohm DVC's. Wire both subs independently in series.
The parallel part comes when you join the two 8 ohm subs in parallel as noted. It looks like this on paper:
POS +__+wwwww - ____ +wwwww - _____ - NEG (series leg A)
POS +__+wwwww - ____ +wwwww - _____ - NEG (series leg B)
Now, we have a series/parallel configuration with a net ohm load of 2 ohms when wired as noted. This assumes a 4 + 4 DVC set was used.
Got it?
Swez
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 11:44:31
Ok so you wire it amp positive to VC 1 positive, VC 1 negative to VC 2 positive, VC 2 negative to amp negative, right? And then you do the same with the second sub and that gives you series parallel right?
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 12:24:13
While we are on the subject of wiring can someone tell in a quick post the correct order for wiring the entire system? This includes HU, Equalizer, Crossovers, Amps, and Speakers. If I am to quick to realize I left out any other important pieces please let me know.
cplkittle on 12/30/2003 17:26:36
There are alot of possibilities here, as there are many different types of input/output connections.
Assuming you have all RCA connections on HU, EQ, and amp:
Subs first
HU -> EQ (optional) ->AMP -> SUB(s) Most of this should be RCA connections.
mids/highs
HU -> EQ -> (amp?) ->Mid bass speaker -> crossover -> Tweeter
UNLESS your crossover has mid and high outputs, then you would go HU -> EQ -> (amp?) -> crossover -> then to mids and highs.
UNLESS you are talking about a 2 or 3 channel trunk mount type crossover that has RCA inputs.. in that case you would go HU -> EQ -> Crossover -> (amp?) -> speakers. .
If I confused you, tell us exactly what type of crossovers you have or have in mind, and what kind of connections you are dealing with for each piece (HU, EQ, Crossover, AMP(s)).
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 17:39:30
I am getting the CDT HD-62CV or HD-62EF. I also have the Kicker K410, but I believe at 30w RMs I will just run it from the HU. I plan to have an EQ but have not decided on a specific one yet. Then on the Subs I will run 2 12s as Midbass and 2 15s as Bass but both will be off of amps with RCA.
cplkittle on 12/30/2003 17:57:10
Running the subs through the EQ will depend on the eq itself, and the sub amps.
Earlier when I mentioned the "midbass speakers" I was referring to the 6" component, to avoid confusion.
How are you running your subs? ie.. 12's sealed, 15's ported
all sealed, all ported?
erikcooper on 12/30/2003 19:45:34
I am sure the 12s will be sealed yes, I am not sure on the 15s yet, more than likely ported. I figure the the 4 x 10s will play all, straight from the HU, the tweets will do the high, 6.5s the midrange, 12s the midbass, and 15s the low bass. So no matter what eq I get and amps I get it will run right and all the frequencies will be distributed?
cplkittle on 12/30/2003 22:26:20
yes.
The eq will provide adjustablilty to the midrange speakers, and some bass controll for the subs depending on if it has a sub channel. The crossovers will isolate only highs to your tweets, and depending on the amps used for the subs you may have a filter on them as well.
It sounds like you will have a pretty decent setup.
erikcooper on 12/31/2003 00:52:37
Ok, I will finish with my other thread where I am deciding what equipment to get and then ask about exact wiring. Sound good?
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